Several social workers,police,therapists,etc believed Jordan truly suffered from sexual abuse?

Here is a very good analysis of Richard Gardner's interview with Jordan: http://mjjjusticeproject.wordpress.com/2011/05/25/psych-interview-with-jordan-chandler/

Actually we don't know if Dr. Gardner believed him because his evaluation was never leaked, just the interview. But there are reasons to believe Gardner did NOT believe him:

1) If he had, probably his evaluation would have leaked as well. Since the interview was leaked by a hater site in 2003 (possibly run by Ray Chandler).

2) The Chandlers did not stay with Gardner. Soon they jumped to another psychiatrist, namely Stan Katz, who did the evaluation of the children in the McMartin pre-school trial. As it turned out the evaluation methods in that trial were highly questionable (you can read about this trial here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_preschool_trial ). If they had been satisfied with Gardner (ie. Gardner said what they wanted to hear) why to seek out Katz instead?

Besides Katz and Gardner there was a third psychiatrist involved: Dr. Mathis Abrams who reported Jordan's claims. The trick is that when a child claims such things to a psychiatrist the psychiatrist is obliged to report it to authorities, without pondering whether it's true or not. That's exactly why Evan took Jordan to a psychiatrist: so that the psychiatrist reports it and not him. In this case he couldn't be held accountable for false allegations later...

But in 2005 Dr. Abrams said in an interview that he did not have time to really evaluate Jordan and he could not examine if his allegations were true or not and he also said he thought it was possible that the boy was trained. But he didn't really have time to evaluate him, because the Chandlers only used him to report to the authorities and then never went to him again.

As for the rest, we all know it's a lie that Jordan's description matched. Someone should ask that leading investigator if it matched how come Michael wasn't arrested? Also how come Michael was NOT circumcised and Jordan said he was? Would you call that a match?

As for the book, they always forget to mention Michael's inscription in it: "Look at the true spirit of
happiness and joy in these boys' faces. This is the spirit of boyhood, a life I never had and will always dream of. This is the life I want for my children, MJ."

He obviously did not think of it as erotica. That book is also in the library of congress. It's an art book. Pedophiles may have a book like this but I guarantee to you that's not the only thing they will have! They will have lots of child porn, not just the odd art book in a collection of several thousand art books. Also if Michael was a pedophile and kept this book for that purpose, how come he didn't have tons of these type of books - in either 1993 or 2003?
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if Jordan was abused by someone. This excerpt from Carrie Fisher's new book is very interesting if you look at the second and third paragraphs(ignore the headline).

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Carrie's right. What normal father says that about his son? It sounds perverse.
 
WOW thx never read that before Eww! It says alot about Chandler and his plans against MJ. Many like Diane Dimond who are Pro Chandler love to bring Jordan looks into their convo's about him. o_O If Im not mistaken even Ray Chandler (the uncle of Jordan) did too.
 
Evan was totally crazy and he was the pervert, not Michael! Had Michael really been a pedo he would have pimped his son out to him just to tie him to them! Actually he hoped and wanted MJ to be a pedo and have a "relationship" with Jordie. How f*cked up is that? It's not like you are talking about your 20-year-old daughter and wanting a superstar to fall in love with her. Just listen to Evan's phone convo with Dave Schwartz! It's the same there. First, the idea that MJ molests Jordan came from his mind. Jordan never claimed such a thing at the time of that convo, in fact he denied Evan's accusations. But Evan already seemed to have this fixated idea that Michael and Jordan are in a "relationship". It was his idea (maybe with the pedophile propagandist Victor Gutierrez whispering things in his ears). But the strange thing is that he does not seem to view it as molestation, he seems to view it as a consensual relationship and his only problem is that he feels left out by Michael and Jordan. (Hence my suspicion about Gutierrez being in the background. Noone, but a pedophile has such twisted ideas about molestation, seeing it as a consensual relationship.)

Then there was that story about when Michael spent a weekend in Evan's house and Evan drugged Michael up and Michael was out of it. According to Evan that was the night when he saw Michael and Jordan sleeping in a spooning position. According to his story he also suspected by this time that something was wrong. If he suspected something inappropriate went on between Michael and Jordan, why did he place Michael in Jordan's room to sleep when Michael was so out of it? He also said first they were in seperate beds but later in the night Jordan crawled in Michael's bed and that's when he allegedly saw them in a spooning position. Again, if Michael was knocked out by drugs why is it his fault if Jordan crawled in his bed? What did Michael know about it in that state? (Of course the whole spooning position could be totally made up just as much.)


Then it's this weekend when the next day Evan suggests to Michael to build an addition to their house or build them a new house to move in with Jordan! Again: if he suspected something inappropriate was going on why this offer? He was basically trying to force Jordan on MJ as a "lover"! It was all in his twisted mind. But this is when Michael started to realize something was wrong with Evan and his strange suggestions and he cut ties with him. And that's why Evan took revenge by accusing him with the thing he made up in his own mind!
 
I guess these people also believe the entire population of prison inmates in the World are innocent (well some might be, but most are not).


It's funny how these people are usually the ones who have never actually paid any attention to what really happened and what was said in the courtroom.........they read the headline of TheSun and they instantly believe Michael is guilty......


Some of these people also could never stand the sight of Michael during the 80's and so when the accusations came out, it was their time to start shouting out!!!!
 
Carrie Fisher on being a patient of Evan Chandler

On being a patient of the dentist who sued Michael Jackson:
"Remember that dentist who sued Michael for molesting his kid? Yes, that was my dentist. Evan Chandler, D.D.S. Dentist to the Stars. And this same Dr. Chandler -- long before the lawsuit was brought (though not necessarily before it was contemplated) -- needed someone to brag to about his son's burgeoning friendship with Michael Jackson. (This was years before Michael had children of his own.) And so my 'dentist' would go on and on about how much his son liked Michael Jackson and, more important, how much Michael Jackson liked his son. And the most disturbing thing I remember him saying was, 'You know, my son is very good looking.'
"So here was Dr. Chandler telling me how Michael was buying his kid computers and taking him to incredible places and sleeping in the same bed and getting him ... WAIT! 'Hang on,' I said. 'I have to interrupt here. Let's just go back a tic, okay?' 'Sure,' Chandler said. ' They're sleeping in the same bed?!' He blinked. 'Well, yeah, but my ex-wife is always there, so it's okay and his stepfather and ... and ... and ...'
"Then one night some months later, Dr. Chandler came up to my house again and told me that he and his wife were going to sue Michael. 'Why?' I asked. 'Because,' he explained rationally, 'Michael is sleeping in the same bed with my boy.'"
 
Re: Carrie Fisher on being a patient of Evan Chandler

wow, so Carrie Fisher was well aware this was an extortion attempt. Evan set that up big time.. what an asshole.. May he continue to burn in hell for that mess
 
Re: Carrie Fisher on being a patient of Evan Chandler

Only question that comes to my mind : why is she talking about it NOW? Why those decades of silence?
 
Re: Carrie Fisher on being a patient of Evan Chandler

Yup, shame it wasn't 20+ years ago.
 
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^^Becuase everyone was caught in the whole "let's get michael who cares if it's true or not. We can't have someone who is so much better than all of use out there" bla bla bla.... I get mad when I read things like this just for the same reason - where the freak were you when he needed you the most?!
 
Re: Carrie Fisher on being a patient of Evan Chandler

Only question that comes to my mind : why is she talking about it NOW? Why those decades of silence?

probably gonna write a book...they all do this every time...sigh,
 
Re: Carrie Fisher on being a patient of Evan Chandler

Its in her new book i guess . same one where she talks about xmas
 
Re: Carrie Fisher on being a patient of Evan Chandler

Oh, one more? It never ends, huh? I have the longest will never buy list
 
Re: Carrie Fisher on being a patient of Evan Chandler

The book isnt about mj
 
Re: Carrie Fisher on being a patient of Evan Chandler

she should have come forward with this story 18 years ago... shame she didnt
 
Re: Carrie Fisher on being a patient of Evan Chandler

Very true
 
Re: Carrie Fisher on being a patient of Evan Chandler

The way it is these days, Joe Doe could write a book about chickens, the first excerpt would be about Michael loving KFC.
 
Re: Carrie Fisher on being a patient of Evan Chandler

Carrie who?
 
Re: Carrie Fisher on being a patient of Evan Chandler

Carrie who?

Princess Leia!!!!

She's also the daughter of Debbie Reynolds and Eddie Fisher......and stepdaughter of Elizabeth Taylor!!!!!
 
WOW thx never read that before Eww! It says alot about Chandler and his plans against MJ. Many like Diane Dimond who are Pro Chandler love to bring Jordan looks into their convo's about him. o_O If Im not mistaken even Ray Chandler (the uncle of Jordan) did too.

I know - it's creepy isn't it? Diane Dimond commented on both Gavin and Jordy's looks, and their "piercing eyes and beautiful complexion."

It sounds to me like she's the pervert lusting over pre-pubescent teens.
 
Has anybody found the proper extortion video??????............
 

No not at all. I'm looking for the extortion attempt video. Youtube always used to have it. It showed Michael's mother talking, she says 'if you think about it yourself' It shows the recorded audio tape of Jordy's father and revealing documents, very good stuff. I wanted to show it to someone who thought very very wrong of Michael....basically someone who repeated what any freaking tabloid claims.

Has anybody found the proper extortion video??????............

Yeah i wonder that too, it seems gone from youtube, wtf.
 
That is a DAMN good site, i was never aware of what Kit Culkin said about how choppers used to fly above Neverland constantly, how Michael even had fans in his garden at times, who had climbed over his fence....jesus. Culkin explains that he definitely DOES understand Michael's decisions to have alarm systems installed in his house, including the bedroom. Something media and people have made a big deal out of. And that so called secret room, which was nothing but a closet.
 
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