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how would you feel if this make it hight in the charts? I would feel sad, really really sad.

whats next re-release of thriller with fantasy michael.
 
babykinsilk05 said:
It's sounds nothing like a trained male black vocalist? WHAT? lol I mean wtf??? And how does a trained male balck vocalist sound like? This song was a demo, a demo is a song not polished, properly produced, or "completed" so yea...

Your many years of being a fan of MJ has clearly not helped you...
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Have you heard Michael Jackson demos? According to Darren Hayes 'Fall Again' was the result of one take. ONE TAKE. On that record you hear the voice of a trained, soulful black vocalist. The complete opposite of this pile of crap.

Thr vocals on Black Or White are 'scratch' vocals. He literally laid them out ONCE. And, again, the quality of the vocal is a world away from this rubbish.

Believe what you want. And I'll believe what I know to be true. Sony are committing fraud and mis-representation.*
 
athina_livadi said:
Please everybody we should stop this. We have our opinions as much different as they may be!
We don't want to turn this forum into a battle field or even worse have it closed down because of stupid arguments!
Gaz was so hurt and irritated by the situation yesterday and if we push it further he has every right to close MJJC because he just can't handle this craziness!
It hurts us all no matter what we think on genuine or not songs!
Whoever wants to buy the album let him enjoy!
Whoever doesn't let him enjoy the previous albums or the songs he thinks are genuine!
But we should all stop this stupid rant!
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I agree.
Why is it so hard to respect others?
I don't agree with everybody either but that doesn't give me the right to tell them what to do or to say or that how they feel is wrong.
We need to remember why we came to this board in the first place.
I thought it was because we are all fans of Michael and we love and respect him.
Not to attack other fans who don't share our view on things.

I never thought at the start of the week that it was going to end up like this.
 
DangerouslyBad said:
The fact that it's coming out on a proper album fully supported by the Estate is a start.
Do you think Mike's family would allow an album of fake material to be released? The only people who are twittering about it are the ones who have absolutely nothing to do with any of the songs and have possible vested interest in certain tracks being taken out.
If they are so concerned and love their uncle why don't they stop with the guerrilla warfare and take the matter to courts already? What are they waiting for?

The onus is on people who are saying they're fake to prove it. The defendant defends only when the prosecution has a case. Where is the prosecution's case for it being fake? :)
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Well, didnt they claim it wasnt Michael singing? I didnt believe those rumors. Now ive heard the song i do too believe its not him. Its nothing to do with a defendant and prosecution. I give you my opinion on the song ive just heard. I say its not him, you say it is him. good on you. I wish i was that sure about it.
 
Bleh, so far I am loving the Cascio tracks, and I do think they are Michael...but the reality is, that his songs should not be causing this kind of conflict among the fans...It would be great if they could just pull them off and that way it would settle EVERYTHING.
 
DangerouslyBad said:
The fact that it's coming out on a proper album fully supported by the Estate is a start.
Do you think Mike's family would allow an album of fake material to be released? The only people who are twittering about it are the ones who have absolutely nothing to do with any of the songs and have possible vested interest in certain tracks being taken out.
If they are so concerned and love their uncle why don't they stop with the guerrilla warfare and take the matter to courts already? What are they waiting for?

The onus is on people who are saying they're fake to prove it. The defendant defends only when the prosecution has a case. Where is the prosecution's case for it being fake? :)
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True. Not guilty until proven so. Not fake until proven so. What does anyone have to gain by a fake Michael.

The member you replied to missed my point. It's not about not liking someone's opinion. It's about the sadness of insulting Michael and the heart and soul he put in this song. To claim it's not him singing when it actually is, would be so unkind to Michael. You surely can admit that if this song turns out to be 100 % for a fact this thread and these opinios would make you feel ashamed towards Michael, wouldn't they?

Still, I can't believe we are having this conversation about such a magic piece of MJ art. It's more than brilliant, it's pure MJ, it's love.
 
Guido18 said:
Well, didnt they claim it wasnt Michael singing? I didnt believe those rumors. Now ive heard the song i do too believe its not him. Its nothing to do with a defendant and prosecution. I give you my opinion on the song ive just heard. I say its not him, you say it is him. good on you. I wish i was that sure about it.
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That's the thing. Why are they just claiming it? Why not take it to court? Give me one good reason why they aren't taking Sony/Estate to court. If somebody was raping my son's music i would take them to court before they could say "Lawyer" :D
 
Ohood said:
some people here are either plants ( u know what i mean) or they have financial difficulities and they try to convience themselves so they do not have to buy the album.....why do not u go get some job and collect few dollars and buy the album instead of watsting the time fighting your demons ! :lol:
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Its their loss. I wonder how long they will believe that its not MJ on those tracks.
 
Roosje said:
True. Not guilty until proven so. Not fake until proven so. What does anyone have to gain by a fake Michael.

The member you replied to missed my point. It's not about not liking someone's opinion. It's about the sadness of insulting Michael and the heart and soul he put in this song. To claim it's not him singing when it actually is, would be so unkind to Michael. You surely can admit that if this song turns out to be 100 % for a fact this thread and these opinios would make you feel ashamed towards Michael, wouldn't they?

Still, I can't believe we are having this conversation about such a magic piece of MJ art. It's more than brilliant, it's pure MJ, it's love.
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nope its you who is missing the point. We are here on a forum. We can discuss certain things here, give opinions etc. Im doing that. I respect your opion. You dont respect mine. You claim i insult Michael. I dont believe i am because i dont think its him. The same thing goes for you, if it turns out it isnt mj singing you would feel ashamed but that not a reason for not giving your own thought on this matter.
 
DangerouslyBad said:
That's the thing. Why are they just claiming it? Why not take it to court? Give me one good reason why they aren't taking Sony/Estate to court. If somebody was raping my son's music i would take them to court before they could say "Lawyer" :D
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I have no idea to tell you the truth. I agree with you on takingit to court. Why they dont do it? Dont know. But that doesnt change my opinion. I dont know that family, i dont know how these things work with sony and all. could be money but then im just speculating.

The thing is, i just listened to the song i didnt hear MJ's voice. Thats all
 
Guido18 said:
I have no idea to tell you the truth. I agree with you on takingit to court. Why they dont do it? Dont know. But that doesnt change my opinion. I dont know that family, i dont know how these things work with sony and all. could be money but then im just speculating.

The thing is, i just listened to the song i didnt hear MJ's voice. Thats all
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It should have changed yr opinion cuz they would have taking it to court if the songs were fake, but its NOT. Its 1000% michael joseph jackson on IT.
 
Guido18 said:
nope its you who is missing the point. We are here on a forum. We can discuss certain things here, give opinions etc. Im doing that. I respect your opion. You dont respect mine. You claim i insult Michael. I dont believe i am because i dont think its him. The same thing goes for you, if it turns out it isnt mj singing you would feel ashamed but that not a reason for not giving your own thought on this matter.
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One more time. The most logical thing is that it is MJ as it is a new MJ album. Agreed? The claim it's not him, is not just the other 50% option of the possibilities of opinions. It's an outrageous claim.

So it's not about respecting opinions,I just want to stress the need to be very very careful before you make such an outrageous claim. You're talking about Michael Jackson and his musical integrity here.
 
Guido18 said:
I have no idea to tell you the truth. I agree with you on takingit to court. Why they dont do it? Dont know. But that doesnt change my opinion. I dont know that family, i dont know how these things work with sony and all. could be money but then im just speculating.

The thing is, i just listened to the song i didnt hear MJ's voice. Thats all
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I have a theory about this. Family doesn't want Cascio tracks. However they might have been shown proof by the Estate that the tracks are real so they can't actually sue them. What option do they have then?
Twitter. Cloud peoples' judgment and try to get those tracks out of the album through fan pressure.
Or maybe they are themselves not convinced about the authenticity of the tracks despite proof. If they were sure about the tracks being fake they would have definitely sued. I am pretty sure the family wouldn't mind more money coming their way.
 
I don't know what the truth is anymore. I only know what I hear.

This song is absolutely beautifull, defo hit material. Allthough I'm still confused about the big vibration in his voice, I hear more real Michael in this song.
 
Conspiracy said:
how would you feel if this make it hight in the charts? I would feel sad, really really sad.

whats next re-release of thriller with fantasy michael.
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For Michaels legacy it would be great if the album gets to the top, but on a personal not it's not important, I'm going to enjoy the album no matter what, just like I have done with every other album he has released :yes:
 
AddictedtoMichael said:
i feel like the people who dont believe this to be michael is being treated like utter shit.
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No, but it's irritating when people come in and go "Fake lol" and then bugger off as if it's some joke to them. We take Michael's music very seriously and as another poster said above if anybody makes a claim against his music it has to be in a very calculated, somber and serious manner and not like "*&^* lol this is fake. Album will suck lol".

I hope you realize the kind of people i am talking about.
 
DangerouslyBad said:
The fact that it's coming out on a proper album fully supported by the Estate is a start.
Do you think Mike's family would allow an album of fake material to be released? The only people who are twittering about it are the ones who have absolutely nothing to do with any of the songs and have possible vested interest in certain tracks being taken out.
If they are so concerned and love their uncle why don't they stop with the guerrilla warfare and take the matter to courts already? What are they waiting for?

The onus is on people who are saying they're fake to prove it. The defendant defends only when the prosecution has a case. Where is the prosecution's case for it being fake? :)
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Thank You!
 
GeorgeDK said:
For Michaels legacy it would be great if the album gets to the top, but on a personal not it's not important, I'm going to enjoy the album no matter what, just like I have done with every other album he has released :yes:
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He is not releasing this one.

And the album will do great in charts.
And I will be paying even more for buying song by song... I guess lol
 
AddictedtoMichael said:
i feel like the people who dont believe this to be michael is being treated like utter shit.
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It was the other way around a couple of days ago.

...Hopefully it'll balance out into harmony in the coming days.

Until then, I'm kinda enjoying the shoe being on the other foot.
 
Roosje said:
One more time. The most logical thing is that it is MJ as it is a new MJ album. Agreed? The claim it's not him, is not just the other 50% option of the possibilities of opinions. It's an outrageous claim.

So it's not about respecting opinions,I just want to stress the need to be very very careful before you make such an outrageous claim. You're talking about Michael Jackson and his musical integrity here.
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to be honest im not taking it so dramatic. Again, ive listened to BN didnt believe it was him singing the whole song. And i feel the same about this song. Im not so worried about what Michel would think of me really.

Ive listened to do you know where your children are and im sure its him. If ever im proven wrong im cool with it.
 
Guido18 said:
to be honest im not taking it so dramatic. Again, ive listened to BN didnt believe it was him singing the whole song. And i feel the same about this song. Im not so worried about what Michel would think of me really.

Ive listened to do you know where your children are and im sure its him. If ever im proven wrong im cool with it.
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Ok.

I am taking Michael and his work very serious, you're right. That's what being a fan is about for me.

In general: Did I mention that I absolutely ADORE this song?? It's beyond brilliant, I love it so so much.
 
samhabib said:
Have you heard Michael Jackson demos? According to Darren Hayes 'Fall Again' was the result of one take. ONE TAKE. On that record you hear the voice of a trained, soulful black vocalist. The complete opposite of this pile of crap.

Thr vocals on Black Or White are 'scratch' vocals. He literally laid them out ONCE. And, again, the quality of the vocal is a world away from this rubbish.

Believe what you want. And I'll believe what I know to be true. Sony are committing fraud and mis-representation.*
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I will believe what I believe to be Michael Jackson, you will believe it is not him. To say what you know is true is just foolish because you cant prove you are right, just like I cant prove I am right.
 
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