Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG

[Bubs]

When reading about Katherine not asking MJ about problems he might have, it brought to mind an interview whereby Latoya talked about how things were when she returned home after escaping from her abusive husband. She had posed for Playboy and also accused MJ of molestation, but was explaining that this is how her family does things. They gloss over everything and never discuss things in detail or talk things out. In a way it sounded as though she was saying that they all just pretend that nothing happened when something goes wrong.

That caught my attention too, and she said she doesn't like bad news! They way she carried on, and what she said scared me like no other. Is that the way she carries on with PPB too? What about Paris, did she closed her eyes from Paris' suffering as she doesn't like bad news? When (if) Paris gets back home, is everything pushed under the carpet because she cannot hande "bad news"? What kind of mother is she? She just pop them out one after another, and then she sits back and waits them to serve her and make her life as comfortable as possible, but doesn't want to hear about the other side of the life?
It that going to be the same with PPB?

 

[Bubs]

"On Monday, she seemed unfamiliar with some of the details of Michael’s life. She told the court she didn’t know her son's "Dangerous" tour had come to an early ending in 1993 when Elizabeth Taylor flew to Mexico City to take the singer to a rehab program in London.

Katherine Jackson testified that she’d she heard that Taylor had said something about her son going into rehab but didn't seem particularly curious about it.
“Nobody came to me and said anything about it," she said. "My children probably didn’t want me to worry.”
She said she didn't know that her son’s worldwide tour had been cut short. "I don't like to hear bad news," she said."

It's obvious she was clueless about MJ's life. yet she claims to be close to him.

Didn't she say that she didn't know because she doesn't watch that much telly?
I could have sworn that I read it somewhere that Joe and Katherine flew to Bangkok when MJ was there and that was around the time he cancelled the rest of the tour. MJ didn't want to see them if I remember correctly.

 

[Bubs]

I think Dr F was at the house when they tried there 02 intervention. I seem to recall one of them stating that a doctor was there but he said he was trying to help Michael out

Ok, that was the time when MJ had narcan implant? I assume that defense is going to bring Dr F to testify that he spoke with K about it, thus K was not telling the truth that she didn't have a clue about anything?

 

[Justthefacts]

I remember her doing interview with Jet magazine in 93 saying how upset she was that no one called her and told her what was going on with Michael that people were calling Liz to tell her instead of her. Her Joe, Randy, Rebbie and Jermaine did an interview with BET where she said she spoke to Michael when she was in rehab and again she said she was upset that no one told her a thing. So I don't get this I don't remember jazz at all.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Dr F treated mj for the spider bite in 2002 was that around the same time as the "intervention" kjs selectiveness is embarrassing.shes either a terrible liar a terrible mother or both. It never ceases to amaze me the lengths the
jacksons will go to to get money

 

[Bubs]

In other words.. Michael will pay for Murray´s children too..

Katherine doesn't mind as she is used to that MJ paid her own cubs child supports, possible their childsupport for kids outside of their marrieges, same goes with Joe's, so what difference does it make if MJ pays child support for the man who killed him.

This is one seriously sick family :angry:

 

[jaydom7]

not surprised one bit.. I've said for years that Katherine is a liar and very manipulative. Mike took care of her and all her needs yet she did absolutely nothing for him. She threw her son to the wolves at 5 years old and hasn't done a damn thing for him since.

 

[LastTear]

Didn't she say that she didn't know because she doesn't watch that much telly?
I could have sworn that I read it somewhere that Joe and Katherine flew to Bangkok when MJ was there and that was around the time he cancelled the rest of the tour. MJ didn't want to see them if I remember correctly.

That was in Randy Taraborrelli's book.

 

[jaydom7]

Remember when Joe said after MJ died that he told Katherine to go over MJ's house and check on him because he looked frail and sickly to him but Katherine refused because she didn't want to invade MJ's privacy? So Joe saw MJ wasting away and told his wife yet she did absolutely nothing about it? Joe blamed Katherine for MJ's death. Now Katherine is saying AEG etc should've called her to help MJ.. Her track record shows she's done absolutely nothing in the past but take money and gifts so what would she have done in 2009 to help MJ?

 

[sfosteredi]

I'm afraid I really don't believe Katherine when she said that she didn't go after restitution because Murray had children, Walgren said he told her clearly the reason why she should seek restitution, to prevent Murray cashing in on Michael. Murray would just need to know that there is no financial benefit to any MJ related projects and hopefully that would prevent him from any such project.

Im sure with restitution fathers are still able to provide for their children but just not profit from their crime.

I agree. Also, a billion $ settlement with a AEG would probably effect some AEG employees in some way, at some point. Don't THEY have children too??

 

[elapentela]

and why is it a job for the fans?

If Katherine says she wanted the money go to Murray's kids why should I even spend a minute trying to prevent Murray? Michael's perfect mother told me not to do it.



he is writing a book and he can self publish. in any case we can wait and see. but I'll say this, given that how in debt Murray is, it is unrealistic to expect that he wouldn't talk about Michael. He will do it. He did it. Remember the phone interviews, voice messages? All stuff he participated and got paid for. And fans weren't able to stop those.





really? you don't see the contradictions? how what she said went against her lawyers opening statements?



they can't ask because plaintiffs haven't rested their case. They are still trying to get Grace and Ortega's cross needs to be concluded.

I'm positive that the media moguls are waiting in line for Murray's exclusives after he will leave the jail. Katherine Jackson and her family (except Michael and his children) won't bring ratings for the networks but free Conrad Murray will. He will become regular on the Fox shows panel's and everywhere where trashing Michael is the norm. He will be laughing at Alan Duke on CNN. This is the reality in this business. I bet he will get part in one of the networks soap opera. He probably will make Hollywood carrier faster than his latest girlfriend. And he will probably make more money than he would ever make working on TII. I only hope he will send thank you note to Katherine for letting him to use and ENJOY those opportunities

 

[Bubs]

I'm positive that the media moguls are waiting in line for Murray's exclusives after he will leave the jail. Katherine Jackson and her family (except Michael and his children) won't bring ratings for the networks but free Conrad Murray will. He will become regular on the Fox shows panel's and everywhere where trashing Michael is the norm. He will be laughing at Alan Duke on CNN. This is the reality in this business. I bet he will get part in one of the networks soap opera. He probably will make Hollywood carrier faster than his latest girlfriend. And he will probably make more money than he would ever make working on TII. I only hope he will send thank you note to Katherine for letting him to use and ENJOY those opportunities

I'm sure they will be lining up to hear CM trashing MJ. Look how easily WR's claims went throught the media, so I'm sure CM's, whatever he might come up with, will go just as easily. Also I'm sure those rags are not gone enywhere that pay extra for more juicier lie. I sure hope CM has more manners than AEG and he remembers to thank KJ and family for their courtesy.

 

[Bubs]

I cannot get over her explanation for restitution uke:

Panish: Issue of restitution was the state decision and you told them not to do it, correct?
Mrs. Jackson: Yes
Panish asked if the figure for restitution was set by the state. Mrs. Jackson said yes.

State (meaning prosecutor Walgren) and judge asked from the estate, and the Michael's estate came up with that number. KJ could have said even 5 or 10 million would be enough, but nothing, not even funeral costs. How sick is that!!!!!

Reminder:
Deputy District Attorney David Walgren told the judge handling the case that he was withdrawing the restitution request after speaking with Jackson's mother, Katherine, and attorney for his father, Joseph. Walgren also consulted with an attorney for the singer's estate and a court-appointed attorney representing the interests of Jackson's three children, a transcript of the proceedings shows.

Murray remains in jail after being convicted in November of involuntary manslaughter. He was sentenced to serve four years in jail, but his incarceration will be cut in half due to overcrowding and California's budget crunch.

Jackson's estate estimated the singer would have earned at least $100 million if he had performed his "This Is It" concerts planned for London's O2 arena. Murray might have also been found liable for Jackson's funeral expenses, which totaled more than $1.8 million. Murray's attorneys said he had nowhere near the money to pay either amount, and he filed paperwork last month indicating he is indigent.
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[Mechi]

There's enough food for possible horror scenarios! I could imagine Randy or Jermaine or both writing a book together with Murray: "How to feed children you're not even interested in!"

 

[jaydom7]

Katherine has lost all respect from me.

 

[serendipity]

Michael completed the History tour with insomnia as well. No reason to believe he could complete the 50 shows but, not the world tour due to insomnia. I am not assuming good health; the coroner's report proves he was in good health when he passed. AEG's plan for Michael and AEG's projections did not both take place in 2008. Michael's insomnia did not figure into AEG's plans or projections or the expert's projection.

Yea he completed HIStory because he managed to find a professional annestesiologist and his insomnia was not as bad as it was now. He was also 37 y.o. and the shows were 80 not 260. The coroner's good health has absolutely nothing to do with his severe insomnia and this is what I'm talking about. AEG's plan was before he died, before anyone knew of how bad his insomnia was and the leagths he went to treat it.

I'm not sure why you keep repeating that his insomnia did not figure in all those projections. Because it is simply not realistic to make projections for bazillion concerts and future tours without considering this very serious problem which is pretty much a deal breaker. Do you think the jury will also disregard it?

It is simply not realistic to think MJ would agree to all these shows and tours knowing what we know from his past comments about tourng and his horrible insomnia.

Fans have the power and responsibility to prevent this convict from succeeding financially!

Excuse me, but the whole responsibility to prevent this convict from profiting lied with his Mother, period.

Didn't she say that she didn't know because she doesn't watch that much telly?
I could have sworn that I read it somewhere that Joe and Katherine flew to Bangkok when MJ was there and that was around the time he cancelled the rest of the tour. MJ didn't want to see them if I remember correctly.

If I remember correctly, Margaret Maldonado wrote in her book that they did fly to Bangkok and Jermaine was carrying in his pocket a letter of intent or something like that for MJ to sign for the Jackson Family Honors show.

 

[HIStory]

When reading about Katherine not asking MJ about problems he might have, it brought to mind an interview whereby Latoya talked about how things were when she returned home after escaping from her abusive husband. She had posed for Playboy and also accused MJ of molestation, but was explaining that this is how her family does things. They gloss over everything and never discuss things in detail or talk things out. In a way it sounded as though she was saying that they all just pretend that nothing happened when something goes wrong.

@2:45

 

[jaydom7]

This family has never cared about MJ or his issues. It was always about money for them. I can't wait to see Steven Randall on the stand. I want to hear about the car crashing into the gate and also how MJ took care of his kids at Hayvenhurst.

 

[jaydom7]

Katherine said in her testimony that MJ had trouble sleeping since he was child. Did she ever get him help?

 

[HIStory]

If I remember correctly, Margaret Maldonado wrote in her book that they did fly to Bangkok and Jermaine was carrying in his pocket a letter of intent or something like that for MJ to sign for the Jackson Family Honors show.

I can believe that. After all he did the Jackson Family Honor show, but I don't think he really wanted to (that's why he didn't perform). It's such a despicable thing if they used his weakness and vulnerability to sign up to that show.

 

[Justthefacts]

Can alan duke be any more obvious?

 

[serendipity]

I can believe that. After all he did the Jackson Family Honor show, but I don't think he really wanted to (that's why he didn't perform). It's such a despicable thing if they used his weakness and vulnerability to sign up to that show.

I know. They saw in what state he was with all the pain he was dealing with and in addition fighting horrible alegations in the media, yet all they cared about was getting him to do a show. How typical.

Can alan duke be any more obvious?

Nope :lol:

 

[Justthefacts]

Did you read that story? Really tho

 

[LastTear]

Yes that story about the letter is in Margaret Malonado's book. She also says that KJ was furious that Jermaine and Joseph hounded Michael at a time when Michael was exhausted and under doctors care.

 

[Petrarose]

It is pretty clear that Grace wanted nothing to do with this whole thing from the beginning. And what is also clear is how out of the loop Mrs. Jackson is and this is her lawsuit. It is clear her attorneys did not brief her on anything. The first time she saw those emails were in court? How the **** does that happen? Randy said in his deposition that Michael got Katherine to sign that statement in 07 denying drug abuse and it appears that his Mother knew nothing about what he said. No itone seems sat down with her and went over discovery. It seems like the kids were saying one thing and she is saying something different. If her cubs gave a damn about her they would try to get her to drop this suit but they won’t because it is clear from day one Randy is the one who is really behind this suit and his hiding behind his Mother (who I think he hates for some reason) and Michael’s kids (who I know he hates)<o></o>

^^Thats it. Her lack of knowledge about the information in the case, shows she is a front. Lawyers usually tell you in a general way how they are going to present the case. They say, we want to prepare you because we are going to bring out XYZ, so are you comfortable with that. They would definitely say to her something like this is your son, and for us to win this case, we will have to show he is a druggie, had no money, could not make many decisions, etc. Some clients tell their attorneys no you can't go there, or you cant say that. It seems the lawyers did most of their briefing with Randy or the key players pushing that case. There is too much she does not know that has nothing to do with memory. So either she is lying and pretending she does not know, or Panish and his team did not brief her on this case.

This nonsense about the restitution & Muarry having children is not believable, since 100 million or 40 Billion is more than enough for Muarry's children to live on. She could have gotten the money and then out of her "good Christian heart" (sarcasm), given some millions to his children. There is no need to say no to restitution in that case. Further, everybody knows Muarry would not have that type of money so her statement is laughable.

People win money and give all to charity. Michael took all his earnings from certain performances/tours and gave it away, so what prevents her from doing the same if she is so concerned about Muarry's children. I am surprised that Putnam did not question her so he could make that point. Then why did she ask Michael's estate for 80,000 to give to Jermaine, when the estate needs the money for Michael's children? Oh the foolishness is too much.

 

[marebear]

All she had to do was make sure Murray was held accountable for what he did and not profit over Michael. All she had to do was take care of Michael's children. She wants and needs for nothing because of Michael and she has to be involved in this? I don't understand how much more Michael has to give to all of them. I am not being hateful here but there is no appreciation or being thankful for all he did. All I see is get more and more before it's too late. Let him rest in peace.

 

[Aquarius]

The way Katherine is presenting herself seems to me Michael didn't know what is to have a real caring mother. What mother doesn't want to hear when something bad is happening to her child? It must have been hard trying to deal with Joe & Katherine. She's not a good influence to Michael's children but hope the kids learn to separate love from reality.

 

[#MJforever57]

Katherine said in her testimony that MJ had trouble sleeping since he was child. Did she ever get him help?

I just don't understand why Katherine let it go that long. So sad Michael suffer.

 

[8701girl]

and the oscar for the best performance in committing perjury and making yourself look like a total fool goes to. *drum roll*............................

Sorry i just had to giggle

 

[crillon]

I'm afraid I really don't believe Katherine when she said that she didn't go after restitution because Murray had children, Walgren said he told her clearly the reason why she should seek restitution, to prevent Murray cashing in on Michael. Murray would just need to know that there is no financial benefit to any MJ related projects and hopefully that would prevent him from any such project.

Im sure with restitution fathers are still able to provide for their children but just not profit from their crime.

I don't believe it either. I think KJ's lawyers helped her craft an answer on her rationale for refusing restitution because they knew the defense would bring it up and it wouldn't make any sense to the jury. In fact, the jury would see it for what it was--a strategic move to go after the deep pocketed AEG over the broke Murray. Compassion for Murray's children had nothing to do with it.

Katherine said in her testimony that MJ had trouble sleeping since he was child. Did she ever get him help?

This is so unbelievable and sad. Those of us who are parents know what we would have done. Had Katherine helped Michael with this sleep problem when he was a child--and any pediatrician would have taken it seriously--he might not have had the problems as an adult. Or, at least, if he did, he would know there was a solution that didn't require a surgical anesthesia.