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Do you know by chance who are Lombard twins? You should check up what Michael said when he saw them dance.
Could you link me?
Do you know by chance who are Lombard twins? You should check up what Michael said when he saw them dance.
Could you link me?
As a Ballet dancer do you see any of that very precise technique in the way MJ moves. I know he studied everything and he certainly included jazz elements in his work along of course with tap but I am just wondering if there were any ballet like movements in MJ 's work.Remember the time and Ghosts are my favorites too, but for the complexity. I don't think that are difficult to learn, maybe are difficult to execute the way that Michael does...
I don't completely agree with that. He was truly gifted, of course, but if you don't train it, you lose it. You can see through the years that he reached his best, (if that's even possible) so i think he was a hard worker.
A wiser teacher told me once, that it isn't just the talent what distinguishes you, it is how much you work for that. And When you are on the top of the game, you must work even harder, much more harder.
Do you know by chance who are Lombard twins? You should check up what Michael said when he saw them dance.
He made a revolution.
You can see it not just in the pop world, but in the dance world.
I am a ballet dancer, I should have Rudolf Nureyev as idol... but what else can I say...
I can recall a recent situation with a dance teacher who is 10 years older than me, we were in the studio before class, and she put "Can't let her away" on her ipod and she was saying that she loved the whole Dangerous album and how much she loved MJ, and someone said "Oh no, I hate Michael Jackson" (-.-) and this dancer response was "If you are here now, is because he exists".
I think is kind of that, that he made literally a change in the dance world forever, anybody can deny it. You can see Michael moves and style everywhere.
As a Ballet dancer do you see any of that very precise technique in the way MJ moves. I know he studied everything and he certainly included jazz elements in his work along of course with tap but I am just wondering if there were any ballet like movements in MJ 's work.
Nikirox, it 's a pleasure to read your appreciation of the dance, as a ballet dancer and in general. I love all our posters write about how they appreciate Michael's... and how they live their own dance experience.
And thanks for the link about Lombard Twins, http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/co...ombard-twins-400-dollars-and-dancing-destiny/ , loved reading it!
As for MJJA 's question, I wait for your answer Nikirox, but for me, I think I saw many times in Michael's dance moves that he danced "ballet" in his own way. That's a thing that inspires me so much, the way Michael let himself inspire by so many dancestyles from all over the world. When you observe him you discover so many amazing things while he dances... (haha, NOT only his sexyness, finally the word is said ;-) )
But Nikirox, I'ld love to read you talking about Michael's dancing how you appreciate him technically (more or less about MJJA's question).
A great big ol' yes to all of that, Tony! :happy: This is a fascinating thread to read, everyone. And I have to admit, I can't get the SIM performance (posted earlier) out of my head, he's so incredible. It makes me miss him terribly.
I've always enjoyed watching this part of the Making of Thriller, too:
Actually please do post pictures or video of those moves. I would love to see them done by a professional and then look at them as done by MJ. Not boring at all.The pleasure is mine, I'm glad you liked the link !
I would totally say that I see ballet in Michael dance style. But it is popularly said that ballet is the mother of all dance styles, the basic moves of Jazz dance were taken from ballet, (with modernizations, of course). Bob Fosse technique shows it clearly.
We can see clear ballet moves in his choreography. In Bad he does a super pretty arabesque, in Beat it he does a rond de jambe l'air, and the list goes on.
I could put pictures with examples if you want, but I don't want to bore you people with ballet terminology. :yawn:
I love this routine and performance in the Dangerous concert. I think it is very moving and one of the best things he did.Then you have maybe my favourite performance 'Will You Be There'. I think I may have said this before, but for me the live performance of this is like someone put the CD in the world's most powerful computer and asked it to make a visual representation of this song. It is just perfect and fits in a way I've never seem moves fit music (apart from maybe Thriller!). It is unbelievably moving, a flawless mix of ballet, expression & performance dance.
I agree. I think this would be fun and interesting to see!!Actually please do post pictures or video of those moves. I would love to see them done by a professional and then look at them as done by MJ. Not boring at all.
A great article about Michael's contribution to the art of dance written by a professional choreographer and dancer, the most insightful discussion of his dance talent I've ever read: http://en.michaeljackson.ru/michael-jackson-the-dancer-of-the-dream/
MJJA, it addresses exactly the questions you are asking.
A great article about Michael's contribution to the art of dance written by a professional choreographer and dancer, the most insightful discussion of his dance talent I've ever read: http://en.michaeljackson.ru/michael-jackson-the-dancer-of-the-dream/
MJJA, it addresses exactly the questions you are asking.
morinen;4070122 said:A great article about Michael's contribution to the art of dance written by a professional choreographer and dancer, the most insightful discussion of his dance talent I've ever read: http://en.michaeljackson.ru/michael-jackson-the-dancer-of-the-dream/
MJJA, it addresses exactly the questions you are asking.
nikirox;4068434 said:I am so sorry for the delay.
I wanted to make gifs and collages but i am terrible at that, so here is my little aport:
In the Bad video I found a lot of parts of ballet in the choreography.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsUXAEzaC3Q
at 0:06: the jump is a ballet move called grand jete, this time is frontal, in english would be a split jump.
http://www.balletdancersguide.com/images/ballet-exercises-ballet-jumps-21695475.jpg
1:29: the turn is a little rond de jambe l'air en tournant. It isn't a complete turn, is just a change of direction, so don't mind the exageration of turns in the comparation I am giving, just take it as an example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxT5gnXs4Ug
My favourite part:
2:51: the first 3 steps of this sequence: a rond de jambe a terre + passé + jump <3
3:00: that's a grand battement alla second
http://cs10931.vk.me/v10931328/1385/pUAmSsKtGrE.jpg (How tall!!)
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/20/89/85/208985a2cf1c799a62b33dbbf0a03d31.jpg
3:36: the dancers are coming from the back in a tour l'air (the jump in advance), and ending with a souplesse (when they relax their backs).
It's been a while since the last time I watched this choreo. It's elegant and full of technique. One good example of the mixing of classical ballet with Jazz dance. Michael is a pioneer.
When i said that i see ballet in Michael's dance, i mean the mix of the techniques.
I will give you this example, which perfectly describes that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMoeZE6EK7c
This is a classical dancer dancing Jazz and Modern dance. It's very interesting because I find similarities in the technique, even if Michael wasn't a jumping man
We know that Michael inspired himself on Fosse's steps. But he took it to another level.
I don't know nothing about popping, locking and on, but if there's somebody here who can put info about that...
A great article about Michael's contribution to the art of dance written by a professional choreographer and dancer, the most insightful discussion of his dance talent I've ever read: http://en.michaeljackson.ru/michael-jackson-the-dancer-of-the-dream/
MJJA, it addresses exactly the questions you are asking.