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HIStoric said:
If you were going to showcase Michael's talents to the general public, why would you go for the tour that showcase his talents poorly compared to the others?
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The HIStory Tour didn't showcase his talents poorly, it showed him as a creative master of dance. Plus, his directing efforts were also evident if you take into consideration the theatrics, very entertaining.
 
Zakk said:
It's not Michael at his worst, that is very exaggerated.. and it's not just because i want new footage, of course i'd like it.. but the reason i'm supporting this idea is because i think it will showcase Michael's talents.. going further than the live vocals, theatrics, attention to precision.
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But when you try to defend Michael for not singing live(which you don't have to explain btw, we all know why, and it's not what this discussion is about) you mention how he was sick, had throat issues, was getting 'older'.. but then you're also saying that out of all his tours, it was not his worst? That's a bit contradicting :thinking:

Do you really think any concert from this tour is going to showcase Michael's talents better than any of the other tours he did?
 
Lil said:
But when you try to defend Michael for not singing live(which you don't have to explain btw, we all know why, and it's not what this discussion is about) you mention how he was sick, had throat issues, was getting 'older'.. but then you're also saying that out of all his tours, it was not his worst? That's a bit contradicting :thinking:

Do you really think any concert from this tour is going to showcase Michael's talents better than any of the other tours he did?
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And why would anyone want a tour released where Michel was sick, and had throat issues. Wouldn't they rather a tour where he's in good health and at his best?
 
Lil said:
But when you try to defend Michael for not singing live(which you don't have to explain btw, we all know why, and it's not what this discussion is about) you mention how he was sick, had throat issues, was getting 'older'.. but then you're also saying that out of all his tours, it was not his worst? That's a bit contradicting :thinking:

Do you really think any concert from this tour is going to showcase Michael's talents better than any of the other tours he did?
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Again with the comparisons, each Tour was extremely different and Michael showcased different areas of his talents! as he matured, he became more in tune with how the production will effect the magic that is seen each night. I agree, the lip syncing can be relentless on the ears at times.. but if you focus on the moves, and how in the zone he is.. then it's thoroughly enjoyable. I'm fairly certain that this won't be the last show to be released in the Cinema. We just have to be patient, I have confidence that if & when Prague is released.. it will be wonderful.
 
HIStoric said:
Compared to the Bad and Dangerous tours, yes, the HIStory tour overall showcases his talents the poorest.
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In live vocals, yes. But not in everything else, you simply can not compare something so raw with something that is entirely theatrical. Anyway, i think i've said my peace.
 
Zakk said:
The HIStory Tour didn't showcase his talents poorly, it showed him as a creative master of dance. Plus, his directing efforts were also evident if you take into consideration the theatrics, very entertaining.
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Theatrics and directing should never be considered in the same light as performance. You go to a show to see someone perform. All the rest is either a bonus or a drawback (depending on how you look at it). Personally, I prefer more performance and less theatrics when I go to a gig.

While it showed him as a master of dance, it also highlighted his reduced energy and speed.

If I was to introduce someone to an MJ concert for the first time, I would pick Mexico 75 over a HIStory tour.

That being said, I love the HIStory tour and welcome any release.
 
Zakk said:
I'm fairly certain that this won't be the last show to be released in the Cinema.
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It's going to be the last if this is the first they release and thus they ruin MJ's reputation as a live performer with it. After that no one will be interested in the next.
 
Lil said:
Of cooourse! There's 3 tours to pick from, so for a release in cinema you're gonna compare the 3 and pick his best, right?! Does that not make sense to you?
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Of course. I'm not saying that the first two weren't his best, am i? i'm simply pointing out that the HIStory Tour would work well within a theatrical surrounding, judging by the visual factors.
 
respect77 said:
It's going to be the last if this is the first they release and thus they ruin MJ's reputation as a live performer with it. After that no one will be interested in the next.
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Of course they will, people commented on Michael's dancing more than they did his singing.. especially during the tours. Just check out the documentaries and you will see my point.
 
Zakk said:
Of course they will, people commented on Michael's dancing more than they did his singing.. especially during the tours. Just check out the documentaries and you will see my point.
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They will sure comment on his LACK of singing a lot if HIStory tour is put on the big screen.
 
Zakk said:
Of course. I'm not saying that the first two weren't his best, am i? i'm simply pointing out that the HIStory Tour would work well within a theatrical surrounding, judging by the visual factors.
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You know what it is Zakk, there's been so much damage done to Michael's image over the years (and it's still happening!) the LAST thing I want is for people to come after his status as an entertainer too. Which is what could definitely happen if you put something like HIStory tour in cinema's, no amount of 'theartrics' is going to make people forget about his actual performance, which is not his best as we've just agreed on.
 
Zakk said:
I only keep on making my point because of all the childish complaints.
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There is nothing "childish" in not agreeing with a project. It's just a different opinion than yours. Deal with it. This is a discussion board, if you haven't noticed.
 
innuendo141 said:
Points aren't childish just because you don't agree with them, this is a bloody fan board
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Generally when people don't like something, they ignore it and wait for future releases. I choose to enjoy something that is genuinely Michael, in the zone.. dancing so precisely. Fans filling the stadium adored his dancing, what got the most cheers? was it an aggressive vocal on 'Another Part Of Me' or the Moonwalk during 'Billie Jean'?
 
Zakk said:
Generally when people don't like something, they ignore it and wait for future releases.
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That only happens when a project is not potentially damaging to his reputation like in this case.

I choose to enjoy something that is genuinely Michael, in the zone.. dancing so precisely. Fans filling the stadium adored his dancing, what got the most cheers? was it an aggressive vocal on 'Another Part Of Me' or the Moonwalk during 'Billie Jean'?
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Each to their own. I find it sad if a fan says he only cares about MJ's dancing. I care about his overall capacity to entertaine LIVE - including LIVE singing and I know I'm not alone with that. And you cannot seriously base such opinions on the supposed "cheers". Of course, people are going to cheer when he performs the moonwalk. But that does not mean they do not care about his singing.
 
respect77 said:
That only happens when a project is not potentially damaging to his reputation like in this case.



Each to their own. I find it sad if a fan says he only cares about MJ's dancing. I care about his overall capacity to entertaine LIVE - including LIVE singing and I know I'm not alone with that. And you cannot seriously base such opinions on the supposed "cheers". Of course, people are going to cheer when he performs the moonwalk. But that does not mean they do not care about his singing.
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BS, i have said repeatedly that i prefer Michael singing live. But i can't help enjoying something so visually flawless.
 
But consider that general public did not think like a fan. We don't want to see this to theaters so, imagine people who aren't fan. They don't know about lupus etc and they don't give a ****, they only see a guy who can dance but can't sing at the same time.
Michael is dead and the problem about pedophile continue.. you want to see everywhere: "MJ, King Of Playback"? I don't!!!
I always critic the estate, with this, they give me the opportunity to critic more.

Bad World Tour and DWT need to be release first and after that, they release the HIStory World Tour if they want.
 
I have a theoretical question. (did not spell that right I think. :lol:)


If MJ was still alive and he released HIStory to theathers - how would you then feel knowing it was actuallt MJ's decision I mean. - He was close to do it while he lived I think right?
 
MJ is the GOAT performer. People will love the show. No one put on a show like Michael did, there's insane theatrics, magic and all the classic, 'signature' Jackson that everyone loves. If it really is Prague, in HD, I'm very very excited for this release. I've been hoping for an opening night to be released just to see how he moved 'fresh' right at the start of the tour,
 
Hess said:
I have a theoretical question. (did not spell that right I think. :lol:)


If MJ was still alive and he released HIStory to theathers - how would you then feel knowing it was actuallt MJ's decision I mean. - He was close to do it while he lived I think right?
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The answer is simple.. Michael would haven't release HIStory before BWT & DWT. ;)
 
Hess said:
I have a theoretical question. (did not spell that right I think. :lol:)


If MJ was still alive and he released HIStory to theathers - how would you then feel knowing it was actuallt MJ's decision I mean. - He was close to do it while he lived I think right?
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It would be the same bad idea. The only difference is that MJ would have the right to ruin his own reputation. His Estate does not. But artistically it would still be a bad idea, no matter who made the decision.
 
respect77 said:
It would be the same bad idea. The only difference is that MJ would have the right to ruin his own reputation. His Estate does not. But artistically it would still be a bad idea, no matter who made the decision.
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It's not ruining his reputation, it's showing a genius focus entirely on the dance & giving the audiences around the world a visual performance they will never forget.
 
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