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Dangerous 25 is NOT happening.

If that hoodie wasnt so overpriced i wouldve got it
 
AlwaysThere said:
Even a few demos tossed onto the iTunes Store would suffice. It makes sense that they'd withhold the more refined material for a proper project, but the version of "Black or White" with a scratch vocal?

Some of the 2-hour (?) writing session of "Give in to Me" when it was being drafted as a dance track?

"Man in Black," considering that the verses are incomplete?

The purportedly 'funkier' demo of "Blood on the Dance Floor" from early 1991?

"Family Thing," also vocally incomplete?

I can't understand how they'd be so naive to recognize that fans are essentially begging for a Dangerous25, begin a celebration using that title... and then spoon feed us amateur/overpriced apparel and do nothing to truly celebrate the album.
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This. The Estate needs to get with the times. You no longer have to do an extensive, expensive release, just something as small as putting a couple unfinished songs on Itunes would suffice.

I need to hear that version of BOTDF!
 
Themidwestcowboy said:
This. The Estate needs to get with the times. You no longer have to do an extensive, expensive release, just something as small as putting a couple unfinished songs on Itunes would suffice.

I need to hear that version of BOTDF!
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Exactly, it could just be released on Spotify, iTunes, HDTracks etc. My fear is that all of Michael's hard work is being saved to be diluted and destroyed for future Xscape-esque projects
 
Themidwestcowboy said:
This. The Estate needs to get with the times. You no longer have to do an extensive, expensive release, just something as small as putting a couple unfinished songs on Itunes would suffice.

I need to hear that version of BOTDF!
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innuendo141 said:
Exactly, it could just be released on Spotify, iTunes, HDTracks etc.
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Exactly, and it doesn't even have to be big. They could even do a little "Dangerous 25 EP" on iTunes and streaming services that contains 4-5 new songs (maybe a demo or two if they're so protective), just release it one day without warning, post about it on social media and be like Have fun kiddos, run wild~*~*
 
WRONG! It HAS to be HUGE!!! This is the world's best selling recording artist! There needs to be a SIX disc box set!!! One of the original studio l.p. on c.d., two c.d.s of demos, outtakes, instrumentals, remixes, a couple of unreleased songs, and some alternative versions of some songs, a d.v.d. concert from a Tokyo show, and two c.d.s of that concert!!!
 
AlexRox said:
WRONG! It HAS to be HUGE!!! This is the world's best selling recording artist! There needs to be a SIX disc box set!!! One of the original studio l.p. on c.d., two c.d.s of demos, outtakes, instrumentals, remixes, a couple of unreleased songs, and some alternative versions of some songs, a d.v.d. concert from a Tokyo show, and two c.d.s of that concert!!!
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I'm all for a Dangerous25 release and all, but even if a physical release were to come into fruition at the last minute, they would certainly not give us two CDs with alternative mixes, instrumentals and remixes (all entirely disposable in my opinion.)

The real gems are the outtakes and album demos, though preferably more of the former.

A live DVD is also not impossible.

However, unless a Dangerous tour concert was captured on multi track audio, they shouldn't release a live CD. Front of house mixes are fine for the DVD I guess, but they certainly aren't up to par for a live CD.

The original album + outtakes is all I'm asking for. Simple and straightforward.

(Also, if you want me to be technical... Michael Jackson is the THIRD best-selling recording artist worldwide... :ermm:)
 
AlwaysThere said:
I'm all for a Dangerous25 release and all, but even if a physical release were to come into fruition at the last minute, they would certainly not give us two CDs with alternative mixes, instrumentals and remixes (all entirely disposable in my opinion.)

The real gems are the outtakes and album demos, though preferably more of the former.

A live DVD is also not impossible.

However, unless a Dangerous tour concert was captured on multi track audio, they shouldn't release a live CD. Front of house mixes are fine for the DVD I guess, but they certainly aren't up to par for a live CD.

The original album + outtakes is all I'm asking for. Simple and straightforward.

(Also, if you want me to be technical... Michael Jackson is the THIRD best-selling recording artist worldwide... :ermm:)
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I think he's just trolling.
 
innuendo141 said:
Exactly, it could just be released on Spotify, iTunes, HDTracks etc. My fear is that all of Michael's hard work is being saved to be diluted and destroyed for future Xscape-esque projects
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That's likely what's going to happen. The Estate has made it clear with their actions over years that they don't care about Artistic integrity.
 
Themidwestcowboy said:
That's likely what's going to happen. The Estate has made it clear with their actions over years that they don't care about Artistic integrity.
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At least they can't ruin what Michael had already given us. That, we will always have.
 
Themidwestcowboy said:
That's likely what's going to happen. The Estate has made it clear with their actions over years that they don't care about Artistic integrity.
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Welp, I don't see a lie.

innuendo141 said:
At least they can't ruin what Michael had already given us. That, we will always have.
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Well, this is true to a certain extent.
They COULD still let other artist rework or "collaborate" with him on music that Michael released during his lifetime.


Interestingly enough though, not long ago I read some article about how Michael may have felt about Xscape, and long story short it said that Michael wanted to inspire younger artist and that he wanted his music to live on through younger artists by being sampled (the article said he hated remixes and was actually forced to do them himself), but it also said that there were some things that Michael felt as though should NEVER be messed with.

Funnily enough here we are in 2016 and I'm sure that Michael's music in its original form is listened to just as much if not more then any song that has sampled his music.

However I'm not sure of this article's accuracy because it was just an article, and I can't remember the source.
I simply thought that the both of you may find it interesting.
 
Lol. AlwaysThere as far as who is the best selling whomever there is controversy in terms of what the actual numbers are for a number of artists for a number of different reasons. With that said no one but Michael Jackson got not only the world's largest contract in 1991 but the largest one for as few new l.p.s (six) as he did (THOUGH there were supposed to be three feature films that never happened included; and only three new l.p.s were done and both parties ended up counting certain compilations as the other three.) and no one has come close to doing that again NOR for what is not only the world's largest contract for a deceased artist but also STILL the largest (most expensive) contract of all time in 2010 (worth a quarter of a billion U.S. dollars ($250,000,000.00 for not ten l.p.s but ten projects). And, no, TheMidWestCowboy, I am not trolling because of my OBVIOUS passionate discussion on all things Michael Jackson! :innocent:
 
AlexRox said:
Lol. AlwaysThere as far as who is the best selling whomever there is controversy in terms of what the actual numbers are for a number of artists for a number of different reasons. With that said no one but Michael Jackson got not only the world's largest contract in 1991 but the largest one for as few new l.p.s (six) as he did (THOUGH there were supposed to be three feature films that never happened included; and only three new l.p.s were done and both parties ended up counting certain compilations as the other three.) and no one has come close to doing that again NOR for what is not only the world's largest contract for a deceased artist but also STILL the largest (most expensive) contract of all time in 2010 (worth a quarter of a billion U.S. dollars ($250,000,000.00 for not ten l.p.s but ten projects). And, no, TheMidWestCowboy, I am not trolling because of my OBVIOUS passionate discussion on all things Michael Jackson! :innocent:
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Meh, when it comes to who's sold the most to me the Beatles aren't a legit comparison to MJ because they were always an entire band working together to crank out music and Michael was just one person (not counting the people he sometimes worked with producers, songwriters, etc), but when it comes to Elvis AFAIK Elvis released a lot of albums whereas Michael didn't and instead focused heavily on the quality of the few albums he did release (Michael also spent time writing and perfecting songs which is something Elvis never did or had to do).
If Michael had released as many albums as Elvis he would probably be the best selling solo artist of all time right now.
There's also the fact that since Elvis was selling music pre Nielsen Soundscan that there will technically never be a true number for how much Elvis has sold.

Just my $0.02, well more like $1.00 on the who sold the most thing.

And often times you do come off a bit trollish.
 
I have never heard of an Elvis l.p. going Diamond (in terms of sales of ten million) in the U.S. where most of his sales are THOUGH apparently his best selling l.p. is his Christmas l.p. which is bizarre. You would think he MIGHT be known as some novelty Christmas act. THOUGH I off hand don't know how much is compilation entitled "Number 1's" sold worldwide...needless to say.

Hey, wait. What is that coming out of Michael's butt?!
 
Garth

AlexRox said:
I have never heard of an Elvis l.p. going Diamond (in terms of sales of ten million)
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In the USA, Garth Brooks has 7 diamond albums, which is more than anyone else, including Elvis, Mike, & The Beatles. I don't think people on this realize the popularity of country music in the US post early 1990s. Country and rap have been the most popular genres of the last 2 decades and didn't lose popularity like grunge, pop punk, and nu-metal did.
 
8701girl said:
Excatly!

im in the same situation
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Yep, You're in Aussie, I'm in NZ and often our currencies are usually very similar, maybe a few dollars off. There's no way would I spend $84AUD/$88NZD on that hoodie. I haven't even calculated shipping!!
 
Some food for fans' thoughts:

Almost NINE years ago (2007) the cancelled Disc 2 of the Special Edition of Dangerous (mastered in 2000 at Bernie Grundman Mastering) was leaked. Fans were happy, they got some previously unheard tracks/demos ("Work That Body", "She Got It", MJ's "Happy Birthday, Lisa"), two different cuts ("Serious Effect" [shortened] and "If You Don't Love Me" [updated instrumentation]). And it was leaked in lossless.

Back to the present:
The Estate and Sony are not releasing anything (I personally expected this), not even the above mentioned Bonus Disc (the only viable option I could see).
For that "Just why?" you might happen to wonder yourself right now, there's a simple reason: these pirated tracks - that have been all over the internet for 10 years now - would hardly manage to be profitable for both business entities. #fact
You might say they could put out other previously unheard tracks but BAD 25 had SIX of them and yet that project didn't meet their sales expectations. And at the end of the day everything they'd consider is for money, as with every business enterprise.
For them there's no difference between BAD 25 and D25, both are just products. And they obviously don't want to repeat the same mistake (for them).


NOW, for one second, who's to blame for the fact that nothing is happening?
Think twice about the 2007 leak. It was done by fans.
Think twice about BAD 25. The fans and the general public didn't tie into it. Piracy didn't help either.

People at the Estate/Sony can't work miracles if the magic is dead already (2007 leak).



I have seen many fans demanding a Blu-ray (read: HD Remaster) of MJ's many short films. Won't happen either except for a single project like "Thriller" ("Ghosts" also has a small chance in the future) for many reasons including the fact that there's hardly a target audience anymore [short films originally served to promote the then-current albums which are now decades old, most fans have the DVD collections and have unrealistic expectations for their HD Remasters (especially the price)] and the sheer amount of technical ressources [source material is a mess, F/X need to be re-done from scratch (they were originally done at very low resolutions during post production)] and legal costs + contract chaos.
 
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Korgnex said:
Some food for fans' thoughts:

Almost NINE years ago (2007) the cancelled Disc 2 of the Special Edition of Dangerous (mastered in 2000 at Bernie Grundman Mastering) was leaked. Fans were happy, they got some previously unheard tracks/demos ("Work That Body", "She Got It", MJ's "Happy Birthday, Lisa"), two different cuts ("Serious Effect" [shortened] and "If You Don't Love Me" [updated instrumentation]). And it was leaked in lossless.

Back to the present:
The Estate and Sony are not releasing anything (I personally expected this), not even the above mentioned Bonus Disc (the only viable option I could see).
For that "Just why?" you might happen to wonder yourself right now, there's a simple reason: these pirated tracks - that have been all over the internet for 10 years now - would hardly manage to be profitable for both business entities. #fact
You might say they could put out other previously unheard tracks but BAD 25 had SIX of them and yet that project didn't meet their sales expectations. And at the end of the day everything they'd consider is for money, as with every business enterprise.
For them there's no difference between BAD 25 and D25, both are just products. And they obviously don't want to repeat the same mistake (for them).


NOW, for one second, who's to blame for the fact that nothing is happening?
Think twice about the 2007 leak. It was done by fans.
Think twice about BAD 25. The fans and the general public didn't tie into it. Piracy didn't help either.

People at the Estate/Sony can't work miracles if the magic is dead already (2007 leak).



I have seen many fans demanding a Blu-ray (read: HD Remaster) of MJ's many short films. Won't happen either except for a single project like "Thriller" ("Ghosts" also has a small chance in the future) for many reasons including the fact that there's hardly a target audience anymore [short films originally served to promote the then-current albums which are now decades old, most fans have the DVD collections and have unrealistic expectations for their HD Remasters (especially the price)] and the sheer amount of technical ressources [source material is a mess, F/X need to be re-done from scratch (they were originally done at very low resolutions during post production)] and legal costs + contract chaos.
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Well this is something i didn't want to start my day off with. Everyday from mjjc i get disappointed daily because of all the bs information we get everyday
 
Why in the hell do people keep repeating the mantra that "Bad 25" did not sell well enough?! Where do you all get this from?! As it is ALL of Michael's l.p.s are going to be expanded MORE THAN ONCE (and I mean from J5 up to NOW) into super woopty doopty box sets! So some "anniversary" release is not some excuse that it can't and shouldn't be done lmao! Get over yourselves! You are not clever! BUT you might have some altearer (how the how do you spell that?! Lol.) motive! That's for sure!

I'm JOKING and kidding PinkDiamondPrincess! I know it is a tail! I just thought it was funny as hell to ask and point out! It is VERY cute and I actually hope we see more of that cute version of Michael artistically to be honest! :rollin:
 
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Korgnex said:
I have seen many fans demanding a Blu-ray (read: HD Remaster) of MJ's many short films. Won't happen either except for a single project like "Thriller" ("Ghosts" also has a small chance in the future) for many reasons including the fact that there's hardly a target audience anymore [short films originally served to promote the then-current albums which are now decades old, most fans have the DVD collections and have unrealistic expectations for their HD Remasters (especially the price)] and the sheer amount of technical ressources [source material is a mess, F/X need to be re-done from scratch (they were originally done at very low resolutions during post production)] and legal costs + contract chaos.
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The Beatles music videos were released on Blu-Ray not long ago. Why would they do it if they didn't think they would make money? I'm pretty sure Michael's short films would sell more. Also there is historical side of it. It would be a crime to let the original film elements rot in some warehouse.

 
Galactus123 said:
The Beatles music videos were released on Blu-Ray not long ago. Why would they do it if they didn't think they would make money? I'm pretty sure Michael's short films would sell more. Also there is historical side of it. It would be a crime to let the original film elements rot in some warehouse.

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It's all in my posting:
- hardly a target audience anymore
- source material is a mess, F/X need to be re-done from scratch (they were originally done at very low resolutions during post production)]
- legal costs + contract chaos


In case you haven't noticed it: the Beatles' video footage consists of simple takes, there are no million dollar productions with F/X and huge crews and other big names that collaborated with MJ (back then), only some old raw film reels that needed restoration (many specialized companies can do this with the same quality).
There are no legal issues either, with lots of people who'd all want to get a big piece of the money cake, people that have been suing MJ/the Estate for years, people who'd only hand out the raw film reels for lots of money and want to cash in on MJ.

In order to make any profit, the MJ Estate/Sony would need a much larger audience which simply isn't there (The Beatles' Blu-ray restoration wasn't a high-risk investment, the costs were manageable and they didn't need massive sales to make a profit).
The legal costs and contract chaos with MJ don't magically dissolve themselves. Any of the big names involved with MJ's short films causes significant costs that you don't have with any of the Beatles' videos. That's the disadvantage of MJ wanting to collaborate with high-profile industry people all the time.

The Beatles' archivists didn't have to deal with such issues, these people were friendly/cooperative and not that demanding.


MJ only has a few low-costs music videos (particularly "She's Out Of My Life") while ALL music videos of The Beatles were low-costs (the first music video to pass the 500k mark was David Bowie's "Ashes To Ashes" and that was way after The Beatles' era).
Creating HD F/X from scratch costs a lot of money, too. You don't want it to look like some kid having played around with a cheap software and the result looking like something you'd expect on a youTube channel as a parody at best.
 
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AlexRox said:
Why in the hell do people keep repeating the mantra that "Bad 25" did not sell well enough?! Where do you all get this from?! As it is ALL of Michael's l.p.s are going to be expanded MORE THAN ONCE (and I mean from J5 up to NOW) into super woopty doopty box sets! So some "anniversary" release is not some excuse that it can't and shouldn't be done lmao! Get over yourselves! You are not clever! BUT you might have some altearer (how the how do you spell that?! Lol.) motive! That's for sure!
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... because it didn't?

Bad25's low sales is an indicator that there is not enough demand for the estate to put together extensive box sets with multiple variations and extra features, as they did in 2012. There were at least eight different versions of that set, and surely around two dozen different things that were put into production for it.

Putting something on the market comes with the intent of making more than you spent on it. If a film fails commercially, they won't put money towards making more of it because it's clear that the public has little interest. The same concept works here.

That doesn't mean that the albums shouldn't be reissued whatsoever. It means that the best route is a low key, two-disc box set.
 
Galactus123 said:
The Beatles music videos were released on Blu-Ray not long ago. Why would they do it if they didn't think they would make money? I'm pretty sure Michael's short films would sell more. Also there is historical side of it. It would be a crime to let the original film elements rot in some warehouse.
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The Beatles have never had a home video release of their clips, Mike has several. So it's first time sales for The Beatles. Most of the people who want Mike's videos bought them already, and are not as likely to buy them over. The Beatles would have more of a demand because there's none available other than maybe low quality bootlegs and short snippets on the Anthology documentary of a few songs. A lot of the younger market just watch the videos on Youtube, and not likely to buy a DVD/Blu Ray of music videos. In general, home videos of music have never really been huge sellers like popular movies are. That's why many of them went out of print or were only available during the VHS era.
 
Yeah, there were only twelve thousand music home videos...sigh. Oh, well, Michael Jackson doesn't sell anymore. When does the website close down?
 
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AlexRox said:
Yeah, there were only twelve thousand music home videos...sigh. Oh, well, Michael Jackson doesn't sell anymore. When does the website close down?
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If someone wants to buy DVDs of Mike's clips, they're still in print. One is called Vision, which has pretty much all of them. What's the point of putting another one out there? It'll be like Motown and their endless compilations with the same songs like My Girl, Baby Love, and I Heard It Through The Grapevine. At best another one would cut into the sales of the ones already available. You act like Mike's videos are rare and can't be purchased or seen. Now that would be Prince since he always pulled his videos and music off of online sites like Youtube, or threatened lawsuits to people who posted his stuff on there. He only released a VHS/DVD of a few clips out of many he's filmed. There are also 2 or 3 that went out of print that were tied to his early 1990's albums Diamonds & Pearls and the symbol album. One was a VHS that has several remix videos to Gett Off.
 
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