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Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG

The think is talent & skill does not always mean good character. AllMichel doctors had talent in their respective fields. Klien was sought after too & he was a brilliant doc, but look at what he did.

Justnat Maybe some of them may be false, but those about Michael we know are true. He settled with the nurse, who I saw on tv, although she could not say much because she was given money in the settlement and could not discuss the case.

Sure, I agree with that, but you typically don't get to the pinnacle of your career being unethical. And, especially for a medical doctor, who has the medical board monitoring doctor misconduct (usually) and licensing hanging in the balance. I think these doctors can survive personal issues, but not something directly impacting patient care that is not only unprofessional, but despicable and in violation of the Hippocratic Oath.

I do remember reading about the fighting between Hoefflin and Klein when Michael died and that seemed so unseemly at the time. I don't give either one of them the benefit of the doubt, but the verdict is out on all those allegations without proof.
 
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Yeah that nurse was on a documentary about Michael after his death. I posted about her some time ago. She could not speak because of the settlement Hoefflin gave her, so that money must have been real good. I did not even know it was more than one person who accused Hoefflin. Part of what she says backs up what Debbie said about Hoefflin, so we know that that wiki thing does not have accurate information.

Crillion you are right that you do not reach the top being unethical, but it happens anyway. It happened to Klien. It happens to judges who end up behind bars. It happens to lawyers. It happened to President Nixon, and when you are a president of the US, you are really high.

About the Hippocratic Oath, someone told years ago that doctors do not have to swear to this oath anymore due to the legalization of abortion. Is this true?
 
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Crillion you are right that you do not reach the top being unethical, but it happens anyway. It happened to Klien. It happens to judges who end up behind bars. It happens to lawyers. It happened to President Nixon, and when you are a president of the US, you are really high.

About the Hippocratic Oath, someone told years ago that doctors do not have to swear to this oath anymore due to the legalization of abortion. Is this true?

I know it happens, but someone who is unethical usually trips up earlier in their careers. There are always signs. It's uncommon to have people who are considered the "best of the best" in their professions being unethical jerks--they have a track record of consistent behavior over time based on their value system. People don't suddenly become unethical.

Hoeflin doesn't sound like the greatest guy, but before we persecute him further, I agree with others who prefer a few sources to back it all up.

Re/the Hippocratic Oath...I think docs still take it--at least the ones in my family did.
 
Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG

^^That's ok different views are good. Maybe he tripped up earlier in his career, and we don't know. Anyway giving excess drugs for a surgery that does not take place, is more than tripping up. It is fraud & unethical. I have all the sources I need, so I will keep my stance on Hoefflin.
 
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My life as the mother of Michael Jackson's children, by Debbie Rowe
By ANNETTE WITHERIDGE
Last updated at 22:29 08 February 2008

Pictures of her beloved 'babies' cover the yellowing walls of Debbie Rowe's remote home. There are favourite snapshots, framed portraits and even paintings which perfectly capture their expressions of innocence. Rowe studies the faces looking down at her and says fiercely: "I am possessive and protective of my babies. Their happiness means more to me than anything else on this world. I love them more than I would ever have thought was possible." It is, one might think, perfectly normal for a mother to feel this way about her children.

But the portraits adorning Rowe's walls show her menagerie of animals - not the two children she produced with, and then handed over to, Michael Jackson. Indeed, there is not even a single, grainy snapshot of either Prince Michael, now ten, or Paris, nine, the children taken from her arms in the maternity ward in exchange for a multi-million-pound pay-off. More than a decade after this plain dental nurse first joined the bizarre Michael Jackson roadshow, she lives alone breeding horses and dogs. There is little evidence in this impoverished and dusty backwater of the small fortune she is reputed to have received for effectively becoming America's most famous surrogate mother. Her 'babies' now include 11 dogs, including one half-wolf, a parrot who shares her bedroom and drinks from her coffee cup, a pair of parakeets and 30 horses - many of them pregnant mares.

She says, with no trace of irony, that she finds it hard to give away her foals. "I have to send them to a trainer so I can detach myself from them. It stops me becoming too involved." Rowe worries more, it seems, about a young animal being led away from its mother than she does about the infants who were taken from her by the reclusive superstar. (Jackson later claimed that he was in such a rush to leave the hospital with daughter Paris in 1998 that he cut the cord and left with the baby covered in blood, taking the placenta with him in his haste.) Since her second child by Jackson was removed, Rowe appears to have had scant dealings with her offspring - although she claims to see them sometimes.

Certainly, though, the photograph of the children which made headline news this week - for once their faces not covered by the customary veils - offered Rowe a tantalising glimpse of the children she gave away. This week, she invited the Mail into her home for an extraordinary, unsettling interview in which she broke the silence she has maintained for years about her infamous children. When asked about their appearance this week, she reacts with the grunt of a satisfied breeder, rather than a sigh of loss. "I turned out two pretty good-looking kids. For that I am proud." She is unhappy, however, that the children's faces have been revealed.

"The veils were my idea, not Michael's. I had kidnap threats when they were babies. I did not want them to be recognised. I'm not happy they've been photographed without the veils." Rowe, 49, is equally quick to dispel rumours that she has fallen out with her ex-husband, from whom she was divorced eight years ago, or is once more desperate for money. She says: "I don't need money. Michael and I are fine.

I see him and the kids all the time. They live in Las Vegas now, just a three-hour drive away." Given the fact that she admitted during Jackson's child molestation court case in 2005 that she hadn't seen him or the children for years, this claim seems unlikely - like so much else in her extraordinary story. The adopted daughter of a millionaire couple from Malibu, Debbie Rowe became part of Jackson's bizarre menagerie some 11 years ago. His marriage to Elvis's daughter Lisa Marie Presley was crumbling, while Jackson's desire to become a father was growing. Rowe was a late developer both sexually and emotionally - she was 30 before she had her first serious relationship. She says of that romance: "I loved him so much. He was my first serious boyfriend - and it still hurts."

By the Nineties, Rowe was recovering from the break-up and working as a nurse for Michael Jackson's dermatologist, Dr Arnold Klein. She befriended Jackson and - like a schoolgirl with a crush - offered to bear him children when he spoke about his longing to be a father. Incredibly, some kind of agreement was struck, and in early 1996 she was artificially inseminated, possibly through IVF, though she refuses to talk about the details. Whether it was with Jackson's sperm or an anonymous donor's - more likely given the light-coloured skin of the children she produced - Rowe is not saying.

The couple married at the Sheraton Hotel in Sydney, Australia, in November 1996, when Rowe was six months pregnant with their son. The bride was 37, Jackson 38, and the best man was an eight-year-old boy (a friend, of course, of the groom). Their marriage was consummated with a peck on the cheek from Jackson, who retired - without her - to another room. There's no evidence to suggest the couple ever had normal sexual relations. The newly-weds returned to LA, but never lived as husband and wife. In February 1997, Rowe gave birth to their son, Prince Michael Jackson. The baby spent several hours in special care before Jackson rushed him to his Neverland Ranch, where a team of nannies stood waiting.

Rowe was quoted as saying later: "I'd never seen Michael so happy and that's what made it so wonderful for me." So wonderful, in fact, that months later, Rowe was artificially impregnated again. She recalls: "Of course it was artificial insemination. Paris was conceived in Paris, that's how she got her name. Michael wanted to call her Princess, but I thought that was stupid." Paris Katherine Jackson was born on April 3, 1998, and this time, Jackson later claimed, he simply wrapped the baby in a towel and fled. Incredibly, it is not the memory of the bloodied newborn being torn from her arms which moves Rowe to tears now - but the sudden admission that she couldn't bear Jackson any more children.

She bursts into tears and, sobbing loudly, says: "I had so many problems when I was pregnant with Paris. After that I couldn't have any more children. Michael was upset about that, he couldn't understand it. He wanted more babies." Rowe, it appeared, had served her physical use and was simply put out to pasture. She filed for divorce six months later - accepting a pay-off worth £4.2million over nine years, in return for giving up her custodial rights to the children. The original divorce settlement allowed her one visit every 45 days, though she later applied to the court herself to terminate her parental rights altogether, claiming it was in the children's best interests. Was she coerced? In the Alice in Wonderland world of Michael Jackson, we will probably never know.

He went on to 'sire' a third child - Prince Michael II, known as Blanket - by an unnamed surrogate. Meanwhile, Rowe claims their relationship remained 'fine'.
She adds defiantly: "It always has been. Michael and I have always got on. I only divorced him because I wanted my life back. I couldn't cope with the constant pressure of fame. He's the genius, the famous one. Not me. I turned out two good-looking kids, but I can't sing, I can't dance." Despite their divorce after a truly dysfunctional marriage, she still shows a surprising loyalty to the singer: when Jackson was accused of molesting a young boy three years ago, Rowe told the court he was a loving and caring father. Under cross-examination, she admitted that she had not seen her ex-husband - or her own children - for some years, which rather undermines her claim to me that she still sees them regularly.

Jackson was cleared of sexual abuse, but moved with the children to the Middle East and then Ireland. In 2006, Rowe took him to court, petitioning for her parental rights to be restored - despite her previous insistence that they should be withheld - and complaining that Jackson had stopped paying her. He claimed she had breached their confidentiality agreement - but a new settlement was reached in secret. Meanwhile, Rowe was apparently finding her 'celebrity' - or 'notoriety' - hard to come to terms with. "I used to be an extrovert, but my marriage made me introverted. I was followed everywhere. I hated the fame. After I married Michael, it was hard to keep working. Staff at the clinic sold stories about me to the media. People were offered a million dollars for a picture of me pregnant. I even told my family to sell one; I thought they could do with the money. But they refused."

After her divorce, Rowe continued to live in the Beverly Hills mansion which Jackson gave her as part of their settlement, and studied at an online university to gain degrees in criminal law and psychology. "I wanted to work in a prison," she explains. "I thought I could help because you can't mess up someone who is already in jail. In the end I loved horses more and I wanted to get away from LA. I was trailed everywhere by the paparazzi."

Three years ago, Rowe sold up and moved to a three-bedroom ranch-style house in Palmdale, an ugly, rundown desert town 60 miles from LA. Here, in the heat and solitude, Rowe appears to have found some peace. She takes a deep breath and says: "Out here in the fresh air I feel much better. No one knows me here. I don't talk to anyone. I just get on with my life breeding horses. As soon as I saw this place I fell in love with it - for the land. I'm up at 6am with the animals and we have the most extraordinary sunrises. "I have a boyfriend. He's a murder cop, we've dated on and off for 30 years. Until now, our timing was always o

Today, she bears little resemblance to the fresh-faced blonde who once posed smiling for glossy magazine 'family' photographs with Jackson and their babies. Her hair is still blonde but her body has bloated almost beyond all recognition. At 5ft 10in tall, she weighs around 15st and is clad in denim with a T-shirt which says 'Shut up and ride'. Eyeliner has been tattooed under her eyes, a process she has topped up every five years. She is also planning on getting laser treatment for her failing eyesight. She says: "I'm 50 in December. That's a big milestone. I want to lose weight. After someone snatched a photo of me, the newspapers wrote about how fat I'd become. That's so unfair because I've lost 20lb. There'll be saying I'm pregnant next."

Rowe pauses and adds: "As a child I didn't dream of marrying Michael Jackson or anyone else famous. I am not fazed by celebrity. I was born and bought up in LA, where I dreamed of having a ranch with horses. It's taken me a long time, but I am finally doing what I always wanted to do." Despite Jackson's dire financial straits and rumours that a mortgage company will repossess his Neverland mansion, Rowe denies she is short of money. Every penny goes on her horses, which she sells for up to £15,000 each, and her beloved dogs. "I can't be bought. I don't need money. I just like to be left alone," she insists.

Bizarrely, as she poses for photographs with her horses, her mind changes. Flushed with the excitement of attention, she announces: "I want a reality TV show. I reckon I'd be great. Can you pitch it for me? It would be me, the dogs and my horses. Do you think they'd go for that in Britain? I think it would be a scream."
But the sight of this middle-aged woman sweating in the heat, craving affection from her animals, is far from funny. One wonders if the children she gave away might have supplied the love she obviously needs, but there seems little chance of that while they remain with their itinerant father.

So does Rowe ever see herself marrying again after her union with a megastar? She says she is happiest living just with her animals. Then she sighs. "There are three stages in marriage. First it's puppy love, then it's for breeding purposes and then, if you can make it through all the bull***t, it's for companionship."
Rowe pauses, then waves a dismissive hand. "I've done the breeding stage. I don't need the rest."

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Re: Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG

According to the Debbie Rowe's last statements she traveled to meet with Michael every weekind. They were making Paris.

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"I'd go to Europe every other week to see Prince," Rowe said. "We were making Paris."
 
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Elton John knew Michael Jackson's concerts would kill him

SIR ELTON JOHN knew MICHAEL JACKSON was doomed as soon as he announced his mammoth run of concerts in London.


Published: Wed, September 11, 2013


The pop superstar died of an anaesthetic overdose in 2009 just weeks before he was about to start a run of 50 sell-out shows in the capital.

The Rocket Man hitmaker admits he was stunned when Jackson announced the gigs, and he is convinced the gruelling run would have killed the superstar if he had ever taken to the stage.

He tells Event magazine, "The day I heard Michael was doing that, I said, 'That is never going to happen'. I knew he couldn't do it. He was a basket case. I was put out for my appendix operation with Demerol (surgical anaesthetic), and that was what Michael was taking every day - and he'd been taking it for years.

"The whole thing was just utterly tragic and the idea that he went through with the tour announcement and those rehearsals... Even on a purely physical level it would have killed him."

Jackson's doctor Conrad Murray is currently behind bars after he was convicted of involuntary manslaughter relating to the King of Pop's death.


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A tabloid take on Mj's notes, nasty:no:

Journal Reveals MJ’s Desire To Be ‘Better Than Gene Kelly & Fred Astaire,’ Desperation To Be ‘The Greatest Ever’
Posted on Sep 12, 2013 @ 3:06AM | By Dylan Howard & Jen Heger

Tragic Michael Jackson grappled with his desperation to be “the greatest ever” performer — a bigger star than Gene Kelly and Fred Astaire — in the months before his tragic death, his secret diary reveals.

RadarOnline.com has obtained twelve pages of the King of Pop’s journal which detail his blueprint to be rebuild his flagging career in the hope of eventually becoming “immortalized” — like his idols Charlie Chaplin, Michelangelo and Walt Disney.

READ: MJ’s Secret Diary Bares Desire To Be ‘Immortalized’ & ‘The Greatest Ever’

But the notes, filed in a Los Angeles court as part of his wrongful death trial, also detail how a hopeless and drug-addicted Jackson wanted his personal physician, Conrad Murray, on the plane bound for London and his doomed “This Is It” tour to administer drugs.

The Thriller megastar wrote how he needed the death doctor — who administered Jackson’s fateful dose of the powerful anesthetic proposal — to set-up a “drip” so he could get “Rim [sic] sleep,” the handwritten notes reveal.

“Conrad must practice now,” Jackson wrote. “I can’t be tired after procedure to important Rim [sic] sleep.”

He added, “Hire Conrad exclusive.”

The diary is laced with a tortured Jackson’s yearning to make his comeback series of 50 concerts a success, after years of sordid headlines, questionable behavior and persistent child molestation allegations.

The Billie Jean hit-maker details his last-ditch attempt to begin earning $20 million income each week, by moving into movie production after the tour’s end and ultimately becoming the “first multi-billionaire entertainer-actor-director.”

“Better than Kelly and Astaire,” wrote Jackson, who died at age 50, a day after a rehearsal and three weeks before the first concert on what would have been his final tour.

“The greatest [ever] in the likes of Chaplin, Michelangelo and Disney – these men demanded perfection, innovation always.”

The pop star remarked how he wanted AEG, the concert promoter, to help him develop and remake movies for such fantasy classics as The 7th Voyage of Sinbad, Ali Baba and 40 Thieves, Jack The Giant Killer and 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

Jackson — who considered himself the real-life Peter Pan — also plotted to create a 3D version of Aladdin, the Disney animation mega-hit from 1992.

He scrawled, “If I don’t concentrate [on] film, no immortalization.”

The most celebrated entertainer the world has ever seen also wanted to take on The Great White Way with a musical about his life; and create his own merchandise lines of soda and cookies.

He noted his desire to meet with Simon Fuller, the man behind American Idol and the Spice Girls, whom he though could help him resurrect his career.

While he had adulation for Fuller, Jackson couldn’t say the same kind sentiments of Tohme Tohme, his ex-manager.

“Tohmey (sic) away from my $ now,” he blasted in one entry. “No Tohmey near me, No Tohmey on plane or in my house,” he added, in another.

The 13-Grammy Award winner — who was strapped for cash at the time and living like a vagabond, as a court has heard — noted how he needed to “hire an accountant I trust” and lawyer, but warned himself, “caution, caution.”

In another note, he wrote: “Mother do you need $.”

Lawyers for Katherine Jackson are fighting to get the notes admitted into evidence, however AEG, who were promoting the London concerts, is arguing the notes are hearsay and should not be allowed to be used.

“There is simply no evidence showing when Michael Jackson wrote the notes, why he did so, or what they mean. As a result, there is no way to know whether the notes ever showed Michael Jackson’s plan, motive, or intent,” said a motion, obtained by Radar.

Katherine, 83, is suing the concert promoter for wrongful death saying the company’s executives negligently hired the doctor who overdosed her son and should be held financially liable.

AEG Live maintains that Jackson kept his dependency on propofol secret from outsiders, that a proposed contract with Murray was never fully executed and they could not have foreseen that Murray posed a danger to Jackson.

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Elton John knew Michael Jackson's concerts would kill him

SIR ELTON JOHN knew MICHAEL JACKSON was doomed as soon as he announced his mammoth run of concerts in London.


Published: Wed, September 11, 2013


He tells Event magazine, "The day I heard Michael was doing that, I said, 'That is never going to happen'. I knew he couldn't do it. He was a basket case.


http://www.express.co.uk/news/showb...new-Michael-Jackson-s-concerts-would-kill-him

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Michael Jackson’s mom wants handwritten notes allowed in court
Katherine Jackson's lawyers want the fragmented, scrawled messages admitted under the hearsay exception for statements of future plans, intent or motive. But AEG Life lawyers say the documents could just be notations taken during or after a business conversation as a record of something someone else said.

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Michael Jackson, rehearsing June 23, 2009, in Los Angeles for his planned shows in London. Jackson died two days later.
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A random collection of loose, handwritten notes penned by Michael Jackson and found in the mansion where he died have surfaced in a court filing and may give a window into the King Pop's psyche before he died.

"Weekly income 20 million a week. First multi billionaire entertainer, actor, director, 100 billion," reads one that might depict his personal aspirations.

One of Michael Jackson's handwritten notes, discussing possible promotional campaigns such as a 'Halloween special,' a 'London soda can deal' and a 'cookies deal.'
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One of Michael Jackson's handwritten notes, discussing possible promotional campaigns such as a 'Halloween special,' a 'London soda can deal' and a 'cookies deal.'

"Better than Kelly & Astair," he wrote, likely referring to film legends Gene Kelly and Fred Astaire. "The greatest ever, in the likes of Chaplin, Michelangelo, Disney. These men demanded perfection, innovation always."

Another mentions Jackson's "last tour" and says ominously, "if I don't concentrate [on] film No Immortalization."

Man on film: Michael Jackson pens his thoughts on movies, writing, 'If I don't concentrate [on] film no immortalization.'
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Man on film: Michael Jackson pens his thoughts on movies, writing, 'If I don't concentrate [on] film no immortalization.'

The fragmented, scrawled notes bear no dates, are riddled with misspellings, and give few clues as to whether the "Thriller" singer was brainstorming lists, writing reminders or simply recording things said by others.

Other compelling notes mention Dr. Conrad Murray, the physician now serving four years for recklessly giving Jackson nightly infusions of a surgery-strength anesthetic as a sleep aid and ultimately causing the superstar's fatal overdose.

On March 5, 2009, Michael Jackson speaks during a press conference at the O2 Arena in London, where he was supposed to have put on a series of concerts later that year.
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On March 5, 2009, Michael Jackson speaks during a press conference at the O2 Arena in London, where he was supposed to have put on a series of concerts later that year.

"Conrad on plane. Drip Rim sleep," one note reads.

"Conrad MUST practice now. I can't be tired after procedure to important Rim sleep, for plane also with bed. Hire Conrad exclusive, " reads another.

This handwritten note by Michael Jackson discusses Dr. Conrad Murray and sleep relief. Murray is currently serving a four-year senvne for recklessly giving Jackson nightly infusions of a surgery-strength anesthetic as a sleep aid and ultimately causing the superstar's fatal overdose.
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This handwritten note by Michael Jackson discusses Dr. Conrad Murray and sleep relief. Murray is currently serving a four-year senvne for recklessly giving Jackson nightly infusions of a surgery-strength anesthetic as a sleep aid and ultimately causing the superstar's fatal overdose.

Jackson died from a dose of propofol given in his bedroom on June 25, 2009.

His mom, Katherine Jackson, is now suing concert promoter AEG Live for negligently hiring and supervising Murray.

Was Michael Jackson spelling out his future plans in this handwritten note? AEG Live's lawyers say there's no way to know for sure.
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Was Michael Jackson spelling out his future plans in this handwritten note? AEG Live's lawyers say there's no way to know for sure.

AEG has denied any wrongdoing, arguing that Michael hired Murray with money advanced by AEG and kept his propofol use a fiercely guarded secret.

Other notes mention an "MJ musical," "MJ Soda Can London Deal," "MJ Cookies Deal" and a "Nike deal" without further explanation.

Dr. Conrad Murray during his 2011 trial for involuntary manslaughter in the drug death of Michael Jackson.
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Dr. Conrad Murray during his 2011 trial for involuntary manslaughter in the drug death of Michael Jackson.

Katherine's lawyers want to show and discuss the notes in closing statements to jurors.

AEG lawyers filed a motion this week saying they're "textbook hearsay" since there's no way to authenticate their meaning now that Michael is dead.

In yet another handwritten note, Michael Jackson mentions Cirque du Soleil — though he misspells it — as well as various money matters.
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In yet another handwritten note, Michael Jackson mentions Cirque du Soleil — though he misspells it — as well as various money matters.

"There is simply no evidence showing when Michael Jackson wrote the notes, why he did so or what they mean," AEG lawyer Sabrina Strong wrote.

Michael's nephew Taj Jackson previously testified that he received the notes in a box handed to him by someone at Michael's rented mansion after the singer died.

Taj testified that he didn’t know how the box was filled and whether the individual documents originated in the rented estate or came from a prior storage facility, family records or another location altogether.

Katherine's lawyers want them admitted under the hearsay exception for statements of future plans, intent or motive.

Strong argued in the motion that the documents could represent notes taken during or after a business conversation as a record of something someone else said.

She also said they're irrelevant to the wrongful death suit.

"These notes and others seem to reflect unattainable hopes and dreams like world peace or becoming the richest man in the world," she wrote.



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Lisa Marie Presley’s Lies and Cheating Drove Michael Jackson to Drugs
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As Michael Jackson’s wrongful death trial drags on all sorts of new information and random accusations have taken center stage as the Jackson family tries in vain to make AEG accountable for Michael’s overdose on Propofol 4 years ago. Needless to say the defendant’s are putting up quite a fight and dragging witnesses in from half a lifetime ago to try and paint a different picture of Michael, one that doesn’t blame them for his demise.

According to the Oct. 7th print edition of National Enquirer Michael’s marriage to Lisa Marie Presley back in the mid-90′s helped to propel him into heavy duty substance abuse. Michael reportedly loved Lisa Marie a whole lot more than she seemed to love him and a series of lies and indiscretions on her part were too much for Michael to handle. He often complained about his inability to sleep while they were together and after they split that’s when Michael turned to harder substances for relief.
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Lisa Marie Presley’s Lies and Cheating Drove Michael Jackson to Drugs
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As Michael Jackson’s wrongful death trial drags on all sorts of new information and random accusations have taken center stage as the Jackson family tries in vain to make AEG accountable for Michael’s overdose on Propofol 4 years ago. Needless to say the defendant’s are putting up quite a fight and dragging witnesses in from half a lifetime ago to try and paint a different picture of Michael, one that doesn’t blame them for his demise.

According to the Oct. 7th print edition of National Enquirer Michael’s marriage to Lisa Marie Presley back in the mid-90′s helped to propel him into heavy duty substance abuse. Michael reportedly loved Lisa Marie a whole lot more than she seemed to love him and a series of lies and indiscretions on her part were too much for Michael to handle. He often complained about his inability to sleep while they were together and after they split that’s when Michael turned to harder substances for relief.
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‘Greedy’ Jermaine And Randy Jackson Pressuring Mother Katherine To Appeal MJ Wrongful Death Verdict
Posted on Oct 9, 2013 @ 4:08AM | By Jen Heger - Assistant Managing Editor

Katherine Jackson is being pressured by her “greedy” sons Jermaine and Randy to appeal the decision by the jury in their brother’s billion dollar wrongful death case, RadarOnline.com has been told.

The jurors determined death doctor Conrad Murray was competent when he was hired and there was no reason for concert promoter AEG – the promoter of MJ’s doomed “This Is It” comeback concerts – to think he would start employing surgery-style anesthesiology.

Despite the verdict in the five-month trial, Katherine has indicated to her lead trial lawyer Brian Panish that she supports his research into an possible appeal.

More vocal behind-the-scenes are two of her nine living children.

“Randy and Jermaine were stunned and shellshocked… they had been counting on the jury ruling in their favor and were ready for Katherine to divide any financial judgment between all of her children,” a family insider revealed to RadarOnline.com.

“Randy in particular feels that the judge made numerous errors in the trial and that there are significant grounds for an appeal.”

Though the family matriarch is “exhausted from the entire situation,” according to our source, Panish has said she is not yet prepared to throw in the towel.

“She feels that the jurors ended the trial really liking Michael,” he said last week, confirming that Katherine was inside the judge’s locked courtroom when both sides spoke with the six men and six women immediately after their verdict was read.

“One question asked of the jury was, ‘What was your impression of Michael?’ And they said it was way better after hearing what a great father he was and how much he did for humanity,” Panish added.

“They understood he struggled but that he really did his best.”

In the lawsuit, Jackson’s 83-year-old mother and three children — Prince Michael, Paris and Blanket — had argued that AEG was to blame for their son and father’s death because it was negligent in the hiring and supervision of Murray, who gave Jackson a fatal dose of the anesthetic proposal.

However, AEG successfully argued that Jackson had a history of abusing drugs, including the anesthetic that killed him.

Despite the courtroom result, Randy and Jermaine — who were both left out of Michael’s will — are “still pushing Katherine,” the source added.

“All they want is money. They’re greedy. They tell Katherine they need answers about Michael’s death. Are they living in a cave because a jury found Murray guilty of involuntary manslaughter death of Michael and the jury in the civil trial found AEG had no role in his death.

Charged one source: “The lengths they will go to is sad.”

Said another, “The fact that Michael’s children will also not be getting any money from the trial is actually a blessing.

“Their father left them as sole heirs of his estate, along with Katherine. They will have more than enough money to live a life and not ever worry about financial woes.

“Imagine if they had been given over a billion dollars? It would have been split, but the leeches and money mongers would have come out of the woodwork. The kids already have to deal with people after them for their money, it would have only added to their stress.”

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2...ppeal-katherine-pressure-sons-jermaine-randy/
 
Bubs;3916281 said:
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“Randy in particular feels that the judge made numerous errors in the trial and that there are significant grounds for an appeal.”

:laugh::rollin:
 
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‘Greedy’ Jermaine And Randy Jackson Pressuring Mother Katherine To Appeal MJ Wrongful Death Verdict
Posted on Oct 9, 2013 @ 4:08AM

- “Randy and Jermaine were stunned and shellshocked… they had been counting on the jury ruling in their favor and were ready for Katherine to divide any financial judgment between all of her children,” a family insider revealed to RadarOnline.com.

- “Randy in particular feels that the judge made numerous errors in the trial and that there are significant grounds for an appeal.”

- Despite the courtroom result, Randy and Jermaine — who were both left out of Michael’s will — are “still pushing Katherine,” the source added.

- “All they want is money. They’re greedy. They tell Katherine they need answers about Michael’s death. Are they living in a cave because a jury found Murray guilty of involuntary manslaughter death of Michael and the jury in the civil trial found AEG had no role in his death.

- “... the leeches and money mongers would have come out of the woodwork. The kids already have to deal with people after them for their money, it would have only added to their stress.”

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2...ppeal-katherine-pressure-sons-jermaine-randy/
 
Re: Verdict Reached: AEG NOT Liable - Discussion- Katherine Jackson vs AEG

Randy and Jermaine are behind this mess. I bet Rebbie is too.. Instead of blaming AEG, Jermaine needs to look at himself getting his brother involved with Thome Thome.. we don't hear anything about that do we? How much did Jermaine get from hooking Thome up with MJ?
 
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Randy is a joke. I wonder if he is still crying
 
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Randy is a joke. I wonder if he is still crying

No, according to Radar: "Randy and Jermaine were stunned and shellshocked"

I personally wonder whether he has started planning his next move, such as -
"is there any point to do another granny-napping attempt?"
"should we kidnap someone else?"
"who has money so Jermaine and I can hold them for ransom?"
"what if Jermaine and I kidnap John Branca?"
"should we kidnap judge Beckloff (overseeing the probate issues)"
etc.........
 
AliCat;3916303 said:
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‘Greedy’ Jermaine And Randy Jackson Pressuring Mother Katherine To Appeal MJ Wrongful Death Verdict
Posted on Oct 9, 2013 @ 4:08AM

- “Randy and Jermaine were stunned and shellshocked… they had been counting on the jury ruling in their favor and were ready for Katherine to divide any financial judgment between all of her children,” a family insider revealed to RadarOnline.com.

- “Randy in particular feels that the judge made numerous errors in the trial and that there are significant grounds for an appeal.”

- Despite the courtroom result, Randy and Jermaine — who were both left out of Michael’s will — are “still pushing Katherine,” the source added.

- “All they want is money. They’re greedy. They tell Katherine they need answers about Michael’s death. Are they living in a cave because a jury found Murray guilty of involuntary manslaughter death of Michael and the jury in the civil trial found AEG had no role in his death.

- “... the leeches and money mongers would have come out of the woodwork. The kids already have to deal with people after them for their money, it would have only added to their stress.”

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2...ppeal-katherine-pressure-sons-jermaine-randy/

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Sad to say that this family is a goner. :doh: They do not ever stop! :sigh: How far they are able to go because of money? :bugeyed Strive, find a job and work hard no one wants? :perrin: Bunch of bums. :puke:
 
Re: Verdict Reached: AEG NOT Liable - Discussion- Katherine Jackson vs AEG

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Sad to say that this family is a goner. :doh: They do not ever stop! :sigh: How far they are able to go because of money? :bugeyed Strive, find a job and work hard no one wants? :perrin: Bunch of bums. :puke:

Everytime i see this picture of Michael it just break my heart this man went throught pure hell sorry for my french that how i feel right now.

Sorry to say i have to agree with you on that.
 
Bubs;3916281 said:
‘Greedy’ Jermaine And Randy Jackson Pressuring Mother Katherine To Appeal MJ Wrongful Death Verdict
Posted on Oct 9, 2013 @ 4:08AM | By Jen Heger - Assistant Managing Editor

Katherine Jackson is being pressured by her “greedy” sons Jermaine and Randy to appeal the decision by the jury in their brother’s billion dollar wrongful death case, RadarOnline.com has been told.

The jurors determined death doctor Conrad Murray was competent when he was hired and there was no reason for concert promoter AEG – the promoter of MJ’s doomed “This Is It” comeback concerts – to think he would start employing surgery-style anesthesiology.

Despite the verdict in the five-month trial, Katherine has indicated to her lead trial lawyer Brian Panish that she supports his research into an possible appeal.

More vocal behind-the-scenes are two of her nine living children.

**“Randy and Jermaine were stunned and shellshocked… they had been counting on the jury ruling in their favor and were ready for Katherine to divide any financial judgment between all of her children,” a family insider revealed to RadarOnline.com.**

**“Randy in particular feels that the judge made numerous errors in the trial and that there are significant grounds for an appeal.”**

Though the family matriarch is “exhausted from the entire situation,” according to our source, Panish has said she is not yet prepared to throw in the towel.

“She feels that the jurors ended the trial really liking Michael,” he said last week, confirming that Katherine was inside the judge’s locked courtroom when both sides spoke with the six men and six women immediately after their verdict was read.

“One question asked of the jury was, ‘What was your impression of Michael?’ And they said it was way better after hearing what a great father he was and how much he did for humanity,” Panish added.

“They understood he struggled but that he really did his best.”

In the lawsuit, Jackson’s 83-year-old mother and three children — Prince Michael, Paris and Blanket — had argued that AEG was to blame for their son and father’s death because it was negligent in the hiring and supervision of Murray, who gave Jackson a fatal dose of the anesthetic proposal.

However, AEG successfully argued that Jackson had a history of abusing drugs, including the anesthetic that killed him.

Despite the courtroom result, Randy and Jermaine — who were both left out of Michael’s will — are “still pushing Katherine,” the source added.

“All they want is money. They’re greedy. They tell Katherine they need answers about Michael’s death. Are they living in a cave because a jury found Murray guilty of involuntary manslaughter death of Michael and the jury in the civil trial found AEG had no role in his death.

Charged one source: “The lengths they will go to is sad.”

Said another, “The fact that Michael’s children will also not be getting any money from the trial is actually a blessing.

“Their father left them as sole heirs of his estate, along with Katherine. They will have more than enough money to live a life and not ever worry about financial woes.

“Imagine if they had been given over a billion dollars? It would have been split, but the leeches and money mongers would have come out of the woodwork. The kids already have to deal with people after them for their money, it would have only added to their stress.”

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2...ppeal-katherine-pressure-sons-jermaine-randy/



..They will never learn, will they? If you lost the first time, what the HELL makes you think you're gonna win the second time? What are they gonna do when it's time to give the same 'evidence' they had before? Sprinkle the jury with pixie dust? -shakes head- pitiful, very pitiful. They should be working on putting Wade Robson's greedy behind in his place, but they won't because getting money is obviously more important than keeping someone from slandering your son/brother's name even more.



I just have to see if they will actually do this. If they do, I bet my pack of Oreos and some skittles that they'll lose...AGAIN.
 
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Maybe Randy and Jermaine can ask Conrad Murray for a loan. They made it possible for him to make money off killing MJ so maybe CM will take care of them.
 
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I just can't anymore with them
 
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JERMAINE JACKSON
CONRAD MURRAY'S WALKING FREE
And My Family is PISSED
EXCLUSIVE


Michael Jackson's family is suffering its second crushing blow this month -- Conrad Murray is about to be a free man ... and Jermaine Jackson says it's almost too much for them to handle.


Jermaine downplayed his mother, Katherine Jackson's loss to AEG in the wrongful death trial, telling us ... "It's not about the money. This guy is walking this month. He's walking free this month!"


Murray is scheduled to be released from jail on October 28, completing his sentence for the involuntary manslaughter of MJ. Murray actually got 4-years, but that was reduced to 2, due to jail overcrowding.


Watch the clip ... Jermaine unloads on our camera guy about what he views as Murray's way-too-brief time behind bars -- adding his family is still hurting.


Bonus footage: Jermaine's take on his mom being pissed he blew $160,000 on a new Ferrari ... while he's behind on child support. Trust us, Jermaine ... Mama's not happy.


See also
Katherine Jackson -- No Regrets For Suing Over Michael's Death
Jermaine Jackson -- Drops Big Money On Ferrari During MJ Jury Deliberations
Conrad Murray -- Delusional Ex-Doc Thinks Michael Jackson Death Verdict Vindicates Him
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The Jacksons need to recognise and take responsibility for just how free Murray will be.
 
Bubs;3916333 said:
No, according to Radar: "Randy and Jermaine were stunned and shellshocked"

I personally wonder whether he has started planning his next move, such as -
"is there any point to do another granny-napping attempt?"
"should we kidnap someone else?"
"who has money so Jermaine and I can hold them for ransom?"
"what if Jermaine and I kidnap John Branca?"
"should we kidnap judge Beckloff (overseeing the probate issues)"
etc.........

This post is hilarious but I wouldn’t put it past them! I would rule out John Branca as a possible kidnap candidate however because he strikes me as the type who would kick some butts. I’m hoping that the AEG loss has taken some of the steam out of them and they will stop trying to take down everything in their path connected to MJ for a while. This trial has been a drain on us but I’m pretty sure it has drained them also.
 
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Yes Jermaine, he's certainly walking free this month because you and your family were too greedy to sue his broken ass, and went after big $$$ AEG.
 
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JERMAINE JACKSON
CONRAD MURRAY'S WALKING FREE And My Family is PISSED
EXCLUSIVE

Michael Jackson's family is suffering its second crushing blow this month -- Conrad Murray is about to be a free man ... and Jermaine Jackson says it's almost too much for them to handle.

Jermaine downplayed his mother, Katherine Jackson's loss to AEG in the wrongful death trial, telling us ... "It's not about the money. This guy is walking this month. He's walking free this month!"

Murray is scheduled to be released from jail on October 28, completing his sentence for the involuntary manslaughter of MJ. Murray actually got 4-years, but that was reduced to 2, due to jail overcrowding.

Watch the clip ... Jermaine unloads on our camera guy about what he views as Murray's way-too-brief time behind bars -- adding his family is still hurting.

The Jacksons need to recognise and take responsibility for just how free Murray will be.

Charles Thomson ?@CEThomson 29m

Yet more anti-Jackson propaganda on TMZ, I see. So transparent that it'd be laughable, if only so many people didn't fall for it.
 
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Yes Jermaine, he's certainly walking free this month because you and your family were too greedy to sue his broken ass, and went after big $$$ AEG.
Murray would go free this month regardless, the time served has nothign to do with the Jackson's. They didn't even need to sue- They were offered restitution by the court and turned it down. Even if they did sue him it would have nothing to do with his jail time. That is from the criminal court not civil suites.
 
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