etoile 37;3751087 said:Just a quick question... We know that the men running the Estate are great attorneys, but are they knowledgeable in marketing? .... So if they don’t have much knowledge about marketing, I hope they can get a marketing expert to help them.
The Brown Gangsta;3751130 said:Also, the fan community is so deeply fractured right now and many are just sick of all the fighting for various reasons. Some have stopped coming to forums and other MJ related social media simply to avoid drama and with a lack of general product promotion that leaves fewer places for those fans to learn about upcoming launches.
It also seemed that motivation for a big fan push to get Bad 25 a high debut was also lacking for some reason. Once we saw the split charting of the various products (and possible nonreporting of MJ.com sales) for the first week on billboard, things kind of felt impossible (too many products and no organization on which product everyone would work together to push on top)
Price also was a big contributor to this problem. The deluxe set is priced at nearly $40 in some stores, that's way too expensive for someone to throw into their cart as an impulse buy.
All in all, two of the three main reasons I've listed above could easily be fixed for the 2013 release. However, reason three will never be resolved. Even if the debate were to end for some odd reason, there will still be people boycotting the Estate and refusing to purchase any future posthumous releases.
Breaks worked well when Michael was still alive, but now that he's gone, it could have an adverse effect. It might be good for the general public, but fans need something to discuss and to keep them busy, or else the interest will fade away and we'll move on. What would happen to this forum if the Estate waited 4 years before the next release? Back when Michael was alive, it wasn't a problem, because even when he didn't release anything, we still saw a lot of him. He would perform, make special appearances, give interviews, or he'd be stalked by paparazzi. But now we would have NOTHING. Nothing to keep the interest up while we wait for the next album. I think a collectors label could be a very good solution here. That way the general market wouldn't be saturated with Michael Jackson products, and fans would still get little things on a regular basis to keep them interested.
I agree that there needs to some releases to keep the fanbase active. But if we’re talking about why Bad25 had lower sales than expected I do think timing is an issue. I just don’t think having big releases with unreleased songs almost every year is going to work well in the long run. Releasing little things that only fans care about anyway would be a good idea, that way fans would have something to look forward to and talk about, but Michael wouldn’t be overexposed to the general public. And then we could have breaks between major releases, and hopefully the general public would be more interested in new MJ material again.etoile 37;3751124 said:Breaks worked well when Michael was still alive, but now that he's gone, it could have an adverse effect. It might be good for the general public, but fans need something to discuss and to keep them busy, or else the interest will fade away and we'll move on. What would happen to this forum if the Estate waited 4 years before the next release? Back when Michael was alive, it wasn't a problem, because even when he didn't release anything, we still saw a lot of him. He would perform, make special appearances, give interviews, or he'd be stalked by paparazzi. But now we would have NOTHING. Nothing to keep the interest up while we wait for the next album. I think a collectors label could be a very good solution here. That way the general market wouldn't be saturated with Michael Jackson products, and fans would still get little things on a regular basis to keep them interested.
Good points. I know some huge MJ fans irl who don’t come to online forums at all because they just can’t stand the drama and negativity. It’s really sad that the fan community is so fractured. I really hope that would change, but I don’t know if it will.The Brown Gangsta;3751130 said:Also, the fan community is so deeply fractured right now and many are just sick of all the fighting for various reasons. Some have stopped coming to forums and other MJ related social media simply to avoid drama and with a lack of general product promotion that leaves fewer places for those fans to learn about upcoming launches.
It also seemed that motivation for a big fan push to get Bad 25 a high debut was also lacking for some reason. Once we saw the split charting of the various products (and possible nonreporting of MJ.com sales) for the first week on billboard, things kind of felt impossible (too many products and no organization on which product everyone would work together to push on top)
Breaks worked well when Michael was still alive, but now that he's gone, it could have an adverse effect. It might be good for the general public, but fans need something to discuss and to keep them busy, or else the interest will fade away and we'll move on. What would happen to this forum if the Estate waited 4 years before the next release? Back when Michael was alive, it wasn't a problem, because even when he didn't release anything, we still saw a lot of him. He would perform, make special appearances, give interviews, or he'd be stalked by paparazzi. But now we would have NOTHING. Nothing to keep the interest up while we wait for the next album. I think a collectors label could be a very good solution here. That way the general market wouldn't be saturated with Michael Jackson products, and fans would still get little things on a regular basis to keep them interested.
People here keep mentioning 'Cascio Tracks'. I hope this doesn't sound stupid but what are they exactly and what tracks are they? Are they anything to do with Frank Cascio?
^^. I expected it to come in normal plastic DVD case.
all in a nutshellThere are a few reasons why Bad 25 wasn't as successful as it could have been.
In no particular order:
Reason one: low promotion. The so-called "Pepsi commercial" for Bad 25 was either never aired in my state, or I always missed it. I only saw the TV ad for the collection once before a VEVO-sponsored video on YouTube, and I've never seen any poster or big display for it. The Pepsi cans, as well as the IJCSLY single reissue, were in low supply/an extreme pain in the butt to locate. (Although the single reissue was a success for a non-digital release.) There was no announcement or preparation for the single release of the Afrojack Bad remix, nor was there any big publicity for the Bad 25 concert. It was poorly handled, especially when compared to the success Thriller 25 achieved back in 2008. (I do keep in mind that it's notoriously tricky to promote an album properly when its artist isn't here to promote it, making public events and shows very difficult to pull off.)
Reason two: it's a reissue. Off the top of my head, I believe the standard edition (2-disc) of the compilation is available for $20-$30 at Walmart. For the casual fan, or any fan for that matter, that's essentially around $25 wasted on an album that's already available for $10, along with six new songs. Reissues are never monumental successes anyways. (Again, Thriller 25 is an exception.) From what I remember, the Wembley DVD was a decent seller, albeit the quality issue.
Reason three: the Michael controversy. Whether you're a believer or a doubter, the controversy with the Michael album still exists. I've seen people on fan forums protest Bad 25's release because of the Michael album's bull. The Estate's first real release of unreleased music was a bust, and now that sheds a bad light on any future releases.
All in all, two of the three main reasons I've listed above could easily be fixed for the 2013 release. However, reason three will never be resolved. Even if the debate were to end for some odd reason, there will still be people boycotting the Estate and refusing to purchase any future posthumous releases.
the set itself was great although the inclusions of the 3 remixes were pointless and could have been replaced with 3 more unreleased songs/demos
Which brings me to the documentary. It should've aired on TV within weeks of the released. It came out on a Tuesday in the US so the edited version should have aired on TV on the following Friday with the full version screened in theaters soon after.
People here keep mentioning 'Cascio Tracks'. I hope this doesn't sound stupid but what are they exactly and what tracks are they? Are they anything to do with Frank Cascio?
In my opinion, the BAD25 Deluxe package is absolutely beautiful and I love every bit of it, save for the remixes which I still haven't listened to. My personal favorites are the demos and the Wembley concert. For me, the quality of the DVD was just fine; it was recorded in 1988 for heaven's sake and I understood the Estate's explanation for releasing that particular date.