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It looks like 3D version of the Munich 1997 concert was made years ago

I’ve said it a few times but I’m still hoping we get a Wembley box set. MJ was on fire for the Wembley shows. And we know there’s one in HD from Bad!
 
dam2040;4301280 said:
I’ve said it a few times but I’m still hoping we get a Wembley box set. MJ was on fire for the Wembley shows. And we know there’s one in HD from Bad!
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Agreed. This would be an epic package considering he holds the record for 7 sold out shows there. Queen packaged 2 wembley shows together on bluray I think.

Serious Effect;4301278 said:
Cool idea, but allow me to fix it:
Disc 1 - Bad World Tour (insert location here) 1988 HD (remember what we're aiming for right now)
Disc 2 - Dangerous World Tour Tokyo, Japan 1992 HD (NOT Bucharest; any concerts that were shot with film cameras?)
Disc 3 - HIStory World Tour Australia 1996 or (some concert in) June 1997 HD (3D maybe)
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Perfect.
 
Serious Effect said:
Cool idea, but allow me to fix it:
Disc 1 - Bad World Tour (insert location here) 1988 HD (remember what we're aiming for right now)
Disc 2 - Dangerous World Tour Tokyo, Japan 1992 HD (NOT Bucharest; any concerts that were shot with film cameras?)
Disc 3 - HIStory World Tour Australia 1996 or (some concert in) June 1997 HD (3D maybe)
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Cool setup. And you were right to pick Tokyo since I believe one (or some) of those shows were shot on film cameras (there is a clip of BOW in film quality). Wembley would be great too cuz that Jam performance is the most energetic I have seen besides Copenhagen. At that point, it is between Wembley and Tokyo (I want to see a Tokyo show but also that energetic Wembley show). For HWT, Prague, Brunei, Bremen, any concert in June 97 (like you said, Amsterdam or Milan would be great), or Basel are good choices. The only Australian concert I want to watch is the first one in Sydney where Beat It was sung live. Plus that show looks pretty energetic, judging from the short snippets. But the top choices I mentioned are probably better.
 
mj_frenzy said:
That is because negative comments get deleted by the owner of a YouTube channel where these videos are uploaded on, thus only the favourable ones stay.



There were better performances of these songs from the HIStory Tour that come from 1996.

The 1996 leg was generally better compared to the 1997 leg, and in particular the 1996 Kaohsiung HIStory concert which has been described as probably the best concert from the entire HIStory Tour.

Also, keep in mind that in the two Munich HIStory concerts in 1997, Michael Jackson was suffering from flu, and he was on medication in order to perform those two concerts, which clearly affected adversely his dance moves.

There is also the ‘Smooth Criminal’ lean accident from one of his backup dancers in the Munich concert, which was among the reasons for the cancellation of that concert’s release at that time.
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What about the Heal the World song for both July 4 and July 6 1997 Munich Concerts? Some people said that it was his best performance with children ever. Is that true?
 
Rocketeer said:
There is more value in releasing a high quality BWT show than a HWT show, an ok one at that, despite the quality, that has already been seen countless times in 3D, so Bad Tour HD > HIStory Tour Munich 3D. A 3D concert would be strange to watch anyway
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According to different accounts, Michael Jackson wanted to release a DVD of the Munich shows July 4 and July 6, 1997 but decided not to. Heard about him not wanting to release any DVDs of the other HWT shows or earlier tours (Bad, Dangerous). I think the reasons for not releasing the earlier shows or tours on DVD were that they weren't HD quality.
 
Snek said:
I agree with ScreenOrigami. I do not understand the knee-jerk hostility against a release of this tour.

On the issue of lipsync, I totally understand the disagreement with the use of this method. You may see it as laziness, complacency, etc. But the fact is some of Michael Jackson's most celebrated live performances are 100% lipsynced: Billie Jean at Motown 25 (arguably his most famous performance ever), Super Bowl 1993, MTV Awards 1995, every major Dangerous performance ever. The fact is the vast majority of people either don't care or don't notice. I've always found this news clip of HIStory Tour Thailand coverage humourous because to us MJ is obviously using playback, but the reporter is either being sarcastic or has no idea.


(the part I'm referring to starts at 9:00)

The things you cannot take away from this particular concert in Munich is that it has arguably the best ever performances of Scream, TDCAU, Smooth Criminal and Earth Song. It also has amazing performances of Stranger in Moscow, Billie Jean, Dangerous and HIStory that deserve to be seen. Obviously the vocals are not up to MJ's standards, which is why I previously mentioned perhaps all croaky live vocals should be dubbed with a better sounding HIStory Tour concert.

Every YouTube video you see of this concert, which tend to have tens if not hundreds of millions of views, talk nothing but praise of Michael Jackson and his performance. This tour is very special and dear to the hearts of millions of Michael Jackson fans, including myself. I am willing to admit I am biased in favour of this tour :D but that doesn't mean my points aren't valid. And say what you want about the quality of the July 16, 1988 concert, at least the Bad and Dangerous tours have an official release from them. This tour deserves a release too. If Munich 3D is how we get it, then I'm all for it. I just hope they dub the live vocals :)

P.S. I am also pro #MJBadTourHD and forgot to mention that the quality of Michael's dancing on this tour is not something that can be denied. It is simply astounding.
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I heard it had arguably the best performances of both the Earth song and Heal the World song from a parent who was at the concerts both July 4 and July 6 whose son was on the stage with Michael Jackson and the others.
 
cb2024 said:
What about the Heal the World song for both July 4 and July 6 1997 Munich Concerts? Some people said that it was his best performance with children ever. Is that true?
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'Heal The World' should not really be an example for comparison (with other concerts of that tour) because all that Michael Jackson does in the 'Heal The World' performance is to walk and lip-sync his lines.
cb2024 said:
According to different accounts, Michael Jackson wanted to release a DVD of the Munich shows July 4 and July 6, 1997 but decided not to. Heard about him not wanting to release any DVDs of the other HWT shows or earlier tours (Bad, Dangerous). I think the reasons for not releasing the earlier shows or tours on DVD were that they weren't HD quality.
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An additional reason for not releasing the Munich HIStory concert back then is said to be the Munich audience which was not really enthusiastic and excited during those 2 concerts.
cb2024 said:
I heard it had arguably the best performances of both the Earth song and Heal the World song from a parent who was at the concerts both July 4 and July 6 whose son was on the stage with Michael Jackson and the others.
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Keep in mind that people who physically attend a specific concert tend to exaggerate about that concert, and they call it the best concert of the tour.
 
Ghosts/Munich was absolutely a planned double VHS set - It was advertised for sale in the UK
 
MusicMan26 said:
I have a few 3D concerts on Blu-Ray and they're really nice in 3D (and 5.1 surround sound adds a lot as well).
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Having recently bought the stereo SACD of Thriller, surround sound has become a deal-breaker for me. I'll probably never buy any future MJ release that isn't in at least 5.1, preferably Dolby Atmos.

And with a live concert there really is no excuse. Especially holds true for the History tour. If I'm gonna listen to the album version of History, it might as well be in 5.1 PCM, so it at least sounds better than the album.
 
Robbsaber01 said:
2. As Damien said MJ was past his prime and sounded poor the few times he wasn't using playback.
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I don’t think he was past his prime at all. I think he was just being lazy honestly. It’s no secret he didn’t like touring, he had already had multiple successful tours both with his brothers and solo and by this point. I think he was contractually obligated and felt like such a living legend (which he was) that his ego told him he could phone it in and it would be spectacular! Most wardrobe pieces were lame and uninspired, he picked up weight, danced like a middle aged impersonator doing their best moves at a birthday party (even though he was only 39), lip synched damn near the entire time and even added some songs to the set list that had no business being on there when so many better ones never got a chance to shine live.
 
james283126 said:
I don’t think he was past his prime at all. I think he was just being lazy honestly. It’s no secret he didn’t like touring, he had already had multiple successful tours both with his brothers and solo and by this point. I think he was contractually obligated and felt like such a living legend (which he was) that his ego told him he could phone it in and it would be spectacular! Most wardrobe pieces were lame and uninspired, he picked up weight, danced like a middle aged impersonator doing their best moves at a birthday party (even though he was only 39), lip synched damn near the entire time and even added some songs to the set list that had no business being on there when so many better ones never got a chance to shine live.
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This is a contender for the worst post I've ever seen on this site.

Get a grip.
 
james283126 said:
I don’t think he was past his prime at all. I think he was just being lazy honestly. It’s no secret he didn’t like touring, he had already had multiple successful tours both with his brothers and solo and by this point. I think he was contractually obligated and felt like such a living legend (which he was) that his ego told him he could phone it in and it would be spectacular! Most wardrobe pieces were lame and uninspired, he picked up weight, danced like a middle aged impersonator doing their best moves at a birthday party (even though he was only 39), lip synched damn near the entire time and even added some songs to the set list that had no business being on there when so many better ones never got a chance to shine live.
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I don't think he was being lazy. Maybe he wasn't satisfied with his voice in the Royal Brunei concert just before HIStory Tour so he decided to lip-sync more. Dancing on the tour was great.
 
dam2040 said:
Ghosts/Munich was absolutely a planned double VHS set - It was advertised for sale in the UK
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this dude acting like Ghosts and Munich haven't been aired multiple times all over the world lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Enough is enough and all we need now is Michael in his prime and in the best quality. period.
 
When Michael did sing on the HIStory Tour you can clearly tell that something was wrong with his voice. Some nights were better than others but overall his voice was in bad shape during this tour. So the lip syncing, while disappointing was understandable.
 
Hulkamaniac said:
this dude acting like Ghosts and Munich haven't been aired multiple times all over the world lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Enough is enough and all we need now is Michael in his prime and in the best quality. period.
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It has been now - but I was referring to back in 1996/97.
 
mj_frenzy said:
'Heal The World' should not really be an example for comparison (with other concerts of that tour) because all that Michael Jackson does in the 'Heal The World' performance is to walk and lip-sync his lines.

An additional reason for not releasing the Munich HIStory concert back then is said to be the Munich audience which was not really enthusiastic and excited during those 2 concerts.

Keep in mind that people who physically attend a specific concert tend to exaggerate about that concert, and they call it the best concert of the tour.
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The same can be said that people who never physically attend a specific concert tend to exaggerate about how bad it was or etc even though they weren't there.
 
Se sabe que el Estate tiene disponible en 4K solamente el concierto de Munich, que según yo debería ser lanzado entre 2025 y 2026. Con la filtración de Billie Jean en Munich 4K, es como verlo de nuevo, los planos de la cámara detrás de Michael con el público de fondo es otro nivel.
A diferencia de otras giras como Bad que se dice que varios conciertos fueron grabados en cintas de película, solo sabemos que los conciertos filmados con variedad de planos distintos, incluida la torre, solo fueron Aintree y Minneapolis, el resto sólo se usaron 2 o 3 cámaras como Máximo de película. Queda en evidencia en extractos de la película Moonwalker y las 2 versiones de Another Part Of Me. Solo espero que sigan existiendo esas cintas y logren hacer algo aunque sea como la edición del concierto de bucarest lanzada en DVD, que incluye extractos de conciertos de la etapa europea.
 
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