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He CAN have an opinion.
That opinion can be total sh1t though.
I'd add thst it can be questioned, debated, disagreed and labeled as it fits based on rational arguments.
He CAN have an opinion.
That opinion can be total sh1t though.
Even the "keeping-it-real"guys have their biases, all of us have our biases in some way or another. So don't claim to be ballanced, being objective and "keeping-it-real" with being rude, offensive, cynical and arrogantly dismissive towards MJ and/or the things you don't like about him or his artistry. I'd lie if I told I like everything Michael released, I don't and I have no problem expressing it but I truly believe you can do so with RESPECT to Michael and his work because most of it is stellar without recurring to those negative attitudes I mentioned earlier.
Psychoniff has a tendency of misinterpreting my posts. I don't know if it is deliberateor he really has reading comprehension problems but I told him today that he is gonna be ignored by me from now on, so he is now trying to poke me to react to him. LOL.
Wtf? No.ILoveHIStory;4174376 said:7-dangerous
Dangerous [Michael Jackson, 1991]
The promotional campaign for this album was so long (two whole years) that all of my earliest memories are soundtracked by its singles. In fact, my earliest proper, fully formed memory is the premier of the Black or White video on Top of the Pops. So, on a personal, nostalgic level it has a special place inside me. As I grow older, I am less enamoured with it. I remember reading that Jackson said that the song he was most proud of writing was Heal The World. Really? That horrible, simplistic, We Are The World re-write? We Are The World was total shit in the first place, why would you want to do another without the novelty of all the celebs? Elsewhere, the album is most noted for its New Jack Swing elements, courtesy of Teddy Riley. Some of them – Jam, Remember The Time – work brilliantly. Others – Can’t Let Her Get Away, She Drives Me Wild – feel more like filler. The best moments on the album are in the second half, particularly Who Is It?, which sounds like some sort of sequel to Billie Jean. This was his first album without the mastery of Quincy Jones, and it does show. Where in the past there was a push and pull between the two of them for modern sounds (MJ) and classic arrangements (QJ), now it is Jackson surrounded by a bunch of young producers who grew up with him as their idol. I still love the majority of it, and it is probably the last time that he was really “Michael Jackson”, but Janet’s Rhythm Nation 1814 is the superior Jackson-meets-New Jack Swing album.
That's not what she said at all. And respect 77 is one of the most well-liked and respected members on MJJC, definitely NOT a troll.
It's all about point of reference.....
It really boils down to in consensus, when a person first became a fan of Michael which determines which album during his adult solo career they find to be his best.
If that person became or watch MJ's career occur from 1979-1984, they are either going to say OTW or Thriller was his best album.
if that person became a fan of his during the late 80s, that person is going to say BAD was his best album.
if that person became a fan of his during the early 90s, that person is going to say DANGEROUS was his best album.
if that person became a fan of his during the mid 90s, that person is going to say HISTORY was his best album.
and if we are to be honest.....
most of his black fans are going to say OTW or Thriller was his best.
most of his white fans are going to say BAD, DANGEROUS, or HISTORY was his best
this has been consistent throughout.
If that person became or watch MJ's career occur from 1979-1984, they are either going to say OTW or Thriller was his best album.
most of his black fans are going to say OTW or Thriller was his best.
most of his white fans are going to say BAD, DANGEROUS, or HISTORY was his best
are you 10 years old or what? this argument is so basic and dumb :doh:
have you thought that maybe, just maybe, some people from all races and ages like OTW more than Dangerous cause is more funky, disco and has elements that Dangerous does not have?
Heal The World is beautiful! and yes it's 'simplistic'.. Anthems are supposed to be, by design to reach it's broadest audience for a common message.
OnirMJ;4174454 said:Clearly to me; this was written by Quincy Joney fan and semi MJ hater
SmoothMJ;4174462 said:Yet another article pretending to be from an MJ fan, just to have dozens of digs at him. Probably a Prince fan in disguise.
OnirMJ;4174464 said:Even in introduction he said that he doesn't like MJ because of MJ fans.
AlwaysThere;4174473 said:His criticism on the fan base is 100% accurate.
EDIT: Good God, some of you people are so touchy. People calling him an idiot for his opinion? Yes, perhaps some of his language and vocabulary was excessive, but he's upfront and honest with it. I can see exactly where he's coming from with every criticism he gives, even if I disagree with it. It's ASTOUNDING that the thought process here seems to be, "Someone else has an opinion that differs from mine? He's/She's an idiot! I have an opinion that differs from someone else's? Don't call me an idiot! It's only my opinion!"
I would understand the anger if this was a clear non-fan... but this man openly acknowledges SO MANY positives about both Michael and his albums. And his criticisms are no different than anyone else's (Invincible isn't great, some of his live performances kinda sucked) - the only difference is that he doesn't water down his language like many do out of fear of being yelled at.
Some of the fan base is becoming as insufferable as the Beliebers in that regard. And that is a HIGH bar to reach, folks.
Tony R;4174493 said:Ha! The Amazing Little Steven. Made my day to see this quoted.
Good times.
SarahJ;4174568 said:The guy to me comes across as sounding a bit arrogant.
SmoothMJ;4174594 said:As for anyone that thinks they can attack his fan base, labelling them with one broad swipe, well they can go to hell. Their opinions warrant the same disdain as dog's mess I happen to pick up on my shoe.
Themidwestcowboy;4174605 said:I also can't get with this strawman argument that all MJ fans are delusional.
respect77;4174686 said:He must have copy&pasted it from some Joe Pereles article.
Wow, just wow. That about an artist who could convey emotions like hardly anyone else since he was 10. Who made people cry and lose their minds when listening to him. Okay.
Pink Diamond Princess;4174689 said:The guy sounds like a pretentious, misinformed, asshole TBH.
respect77;4174777 said:Someone said in this thread earlier that they knew this guy they are friends with him and he is bascially deliberately provocative. So maybe we aren't even dealing with someone who wants to express an honest, genuine opinion, but someone who just wants to provoke and piss off other fans,
MattyJam;4174784 said:One thing I found noticeably telling about this guys rankings, is how, on many of the lesser-known Jacksons/J5 releases - many of which he ranked over the likes of HIStory, BOTD and Invincible - he actually talks very little about the actual music.
HIStoric;4174786 said:Perhaps he feels that Michael's execution of those albums weren't good enough? As in, sure they were his least formulative but the execution of the final product still wasn't good enough to rank it higher? No clue if thats what he was thinking of course, but it popped into my head when I read your post this morning.
respect77;4174791 said:Sorry, but no. The review is simply very inconsistent. You say maybe he meant delivery but that's not what it seems like. In fact, he says this about MJ's delivery on HIStory:
respect77;4174794 said:The point is to provoke and piss off other fans
respect77;4174794 said:and then when they express their displeasure to whine about "fans who think he cannot do wrong and he is an angel".
SmoothMJ;4174838 said:When someone writes an article, with so much wrong with it that it's hard to know where to start, then it is more than sensible to question his sanity. Or, at the very least, his motives.
The supporters of this 'author', seem to think he should be able to spout any old nonsense without people smelling it like it is. If I remember right someone even suggested that he does this sort of bull's hit article to provoke. Well, if that's the case, even more reason to give him both barrels.
The article is a joke. But not a very funny one. And It's the same old people desperate to defend yet another baseless, tasteless, pointless, anti-MJ article dressed up as 'keeping it real'.
In fact, it's like this guy has come on here and read all the negative threads/comments from his 'defenders' and stuck them all in one massive attack of muck throwing.
Sorry guys. Be as gullible or duplicitous as you like. Just don't expect me to join you.
Bringing Brighter Days;4174842 said:It's all about point of reference.....
It really boils down to in consensus, when a person first became a fan of Michael which determines which album during his adult solo career they find to be his best.
If that person became or watch MJ's career occur from 1979-1984, they are either going to say OTW or Thriller was his best album.
if that person became a fan of his during the early 90s, that person is going to say DANGEROUS was his best album.
and if we are to be honest.....
most of his black fans are going to say OTW or Thriller was his best.
most of his white fans are going to say BAD, DANGEROUS, or HISTORY was his best
Snow White luvs Peter Pan;4174916 said:"The problem with today’s world is that everyone believes they have the right to express their opinion and have others listen to it. The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense."