NEW BOOK- Defending a king----by Dr. Karen Moriarty

earthlyme;3580201 said:
I received the book today. I started to read couple of paragraphs of each chapter and it really is a look into the bodyguard's time with Michael. Some of the stuff thats is in the book, we already know but there are somethings that are new, at least to me. I'm gonna start to read from the beginning now and I dont think i'd regret it :D

One thing i'd like to say though, I understand that some fans who want to be hard on ppl. who write a horrible book about Michael (False info. and degrading mythes about Michael), but what i dont get is, when a person with a positive book comes out, we tend to do the same thing… I understand that we are all skeptical about it, which is a given but to trash her even after knowing what kind of book she put out is kinda' unfair… well I think so.
L.o.v.e.
Romi

Hope you will have time to share some review after you finish the book. If this is a positive book I hope she is not really taking the stories from the bodyguards then run with their stories. That's quite an unethical thing to do, although it depends on how she connected to the bodyguard and how she wrote the book.
 
I'm sorry but that new bit of information is basically confirming she took the bodyguards information and is now selling it without sharing profits wih them, isn't it?
Or am I reading it wrong?
I don't think I can support a book that is based on something like that, no matter how nice she is to people over the phone.
It's not fair to the people who actually witnessed Michael, really.
Even if the book is filled with positive stories, I don't think I would feel right giving her money for doing something like that.

Btw I think we might need to remember something because I'm seeing this more and more among fans.
Just because a story is positve about Michael doesn't make it automatically true.
Just something we need to remember because so many books are coming out now and yes before they were more negative than now. Not saying this while pointing at this particular book ('cause I haven't read it) but it's something we need to keep in mind in general I think.
I always try to remember the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
(No offense intented, I hope it doesn't come across as rude or something :) )
 
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^^so basically according to some fans no book should be read or trusted? that's nice logic. but i like to learn stuff. i can understand being against some books like latoyas or books we know is filled with lies but that's it. just because the guards say she stole from them doesn't mean she did it.......
 
^^so basically according to some fans no book should be read or trusted? that's nice logic. but i like to learn stuff. i can understand being against some books like latoyas or books we know is filled with lies but that's it. just because the guards say she stole from them doesn't mean she did it.......

Nice of you to twist my words like that.
I didn't say anything about not reading any book or not enjoying any book.
And yes what I said is nice logic because all I'm saying is just realise the truth will always be somewhere in the middle since Michael isn't here to tell us if it is true or not.
Just because it sounds like what some of us imagine him to be, doesn't make it a fact. (Unless we personally knew him) That's all and how am I wrong in saying that?

You can read any book you want. I have plenty of books in my house on Michael. I just don't believe in blindly trusting information from people especially when they are quoting second hand experiences. Enjoy the books, I do too, but in the end it's a piece of a puzzle not the complete picture.
If you don't want to think like that I'm not stopping you.
But I'd think if you truly want to learn about Michael as you say, what's wrong with reading a book on Mj and keeping that in mind?

Also from the information that was posted I will quote : "She was working as a ghostwriter with the bodyguards"
On top of that the bodyguards talked about this like a year ago when they mentioned that a person they were working with parted ways with them and was now writing a book themselves. Now it seems like we know who they were talking about. (Again it seems that way,not fact)
So from both sides we know they were at least in contact so I think looking at this project with caution isn't a bad thing.
Again I didn't say "ban this book!" I said look at it with caution which is what I'm doing. Because at this time we don't know the truth.

All of this is just my opinion though. I'm not here for arguing.
 
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^^so basically according to some fans no book should be read or trusted? that's nice logic. but i like to learn stuff. i can understand being against some books like latoyas or books we know is filled with lies but that's it. just because the guards say she stole from them doesn't mean she did it.......

I guess the thing xrisx said is that we should not just believe whatever people wrote. We should not support the books because it's so called positive no matter what or go against the books because it contains some not so good contents. I think the point is if she stole the stories and just run away and wrote the book, it's quite an unethical thing to do. Even if the whole content of the book is good and it's a positive book. Should we still support this kind of book? However, I do agree that we should hear her side of story and read how she wrote the book before we jumped on her.

If she is writing the book like JRT/Joe Vogal, getting source from the bodyguards, T-Mez or other people around MJ and writing her book with citation, I don't see huge problems. (ya!ya! I should not put JRT and Joe in same sentence but JRT did cite his source even though many of the source may not be credible enough.) However, if she is writing the book like Jermaine/LaToya/Frank Cascio and writing stories about MJ like she was the bodyguards who witness the whole things. I guess it would have huge ethical problems. However, if the source she claimed she talked to claimed she stole the stories and run, I am really skeptical about the whole things. If she was trying to interview them and wrote a book regarding MJ herself, she should state this clearly to those bodyguards before not just pretending to be a ghostwriter. We only hear one side of the story and I am waiting for her side. Before I know more details, I kept skeptical about this even though T-Mez is supporting this (T-Mez is supporting Gest's documentary. After I watched the whole video, the only good part is the 05 case part and T-Mez part. The documentary is not really insightful or well organized.).
 
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Nope. If she had stolen the actual text, it would have been a crime, but they accuse her of stealing information. In other words, she talked to them, they told her things, she mentioned them in the book. It's not illegal; in fact, it's what all journalists and writers of non-fictional books do.

If the guys wanted exclusivity, they should have made her sign an NDA before spilling stories.


the bolded part...in my book that IS stealing...no matter how it is spun..if someone has an idea and tells someone else about it,,,the person goes and does it,,,that is stealing, I wont be buying either one of these books...NO ONE knew MJ as well as MJ and if he wanted ME to know this stuff..HE would of put it in a book himself...smdh.
 
Listen: The body guards were working on a book with by Dr. Karen Moriarty - she was the the writer of thier stories becuase they are NOT writers. They ened up selling their rights to the book to her. They were paid. She has not stolen anything and she cites her sources for the stories. Nothing is stolen. sheesh
 
Listen: The body guards were working on a book with by Dr. Karen Moriarty - she was the the writer of thier stories becuase they are NOT writers. They ened up selling their rights to the book to her. They were paid. She has not stolen anything and she cites her sources for the stories. Nothing is stolen. sheesh

??? Can you give a link about this source that the bodyguard sold the story to her???? The whole situation is really weird. If they are collaborators how come the bodyguards' names are not on the book? and how come they claimed she stole the stories? It's normal that people would find a writer to write and organize the stories (MJ, Katherine and most of the autobiographer do that), however is that normal the writer just departed from the source and go ahead to write a book like this? Sounds quite unethical to me. I would like to know what the deal between her and the bodyguards. If she is writing a book like JRT or Joe Vogal, is that normal you actually pay to buy the information/interview? I thought most of them would go trying to talk to the personal or seek the source on newspaper etc. I really doubt she would also pay to interview T-Mez. What Mike Garcia wrote is disturbing too.
 
these are the same bodyguards who went on tv defending Murray...just saying

Yes, but these are two different issues here. and it seemed that one of the bodyguards are departed. Who knows what's going on behind the scene.
 
??? Can you give a link about this source that the bodyguard sold the story to her???? The whole situation is really weird. If they are collaborators how come the bodyguards' names are not on the book? and how come they claimed she stole the stories? It's normal that people would find a writer to write and organize the stories (MJ, Katherine and most of the autobiographer do that), however is that normal the writer just departed from the source and go ahead to write a book like this? Sounds quite unethical to me. I would like to know what the deal between her and the bodyguards. If she is writing a book like JRT or Joe Vogal, is that normal you actually pay to buy the information/interview? I thought most of them would go trying to talk to the personal or seek the source on newspaper etc. I really doubt she would also pay to interview T-Mez. What Mike Garcia wrote is disturbing too.

My opinion is She would not be able to use the Body guards stories unless they signed off as they were in a deal together to write this book. Im not supporting what she is doing .. but I do not belive the stories were stolen. If so they would have a claim against her becuase they had a contract together to write this book - No telling what happened behind the scences. I dont believe Bodyguards are being upfront about all the circumstances though.

I may have jumped the gun in my opinion becuase I have not reviewed all the info.

The book is getting good reviews from fans - they say the stories are beautiful and positive

I guess Whatever is going on between Bodguards and writer will come out eventually.
Even this is dividing fans _ becuase of conflicting stores :(
 
My opinion is She would not be able to use the Body guards stories unless they signed off as they were in a deal together to write this book. Im not supporting what she is doing .. but I do not belive the stories were stolen. If so they would have a claim against her becuase they had a contract together to write this book - No telling what happened behind the scences. I dont believe Bodyguards are being upfront about all the circumstances though.
I may have jumped the gun in my opinion becuase I have not reviewed all the info.
The book is getting good reviews from fans - they say the stories are beautiful and positive
I guess Whatever is going on between Bodguards and writer will come out eventually.
Even this is dividing fans _ becuase of conflicting stores :(

Yes, I see your point and I am not saying you are supporting her or her book. I would just like to know is there any source to know she really bought the stories from them because I don't want to jumped on her too fast. The whole thing is really confusing that's why I would love to know more info if you have. My question for now is if they get the deal together, how come she can just run to write a book without their permission? I know she said they had difference in the end, however this is not a excuse that you can just run away with stories and wrote the book by yourself. If that's what she did (I am still waiting for her side of story but I felt the whole thing is really skeptical), even if there's no legal issue, it's really unethical thing to do. I also agreed that the bodyguards are not being upfront about the whole circumstances so I would like to hear her side. Especially the bodyguards never said further about what's going on later.

My point is no matter how positive the book is or how beautiful the stories are, if she did this with unethical way, it really hard for me to even support the book. It's just like Smuley's second book, I can't support that even he changed his style of writing. He stopped putting lots of his twisted opinions in the book. However, it doesn't change the fact that he put out the tape without MJ's permission. Even though, his books and tapes probably be one of the most valuable info about MJ.

true BUT it does show their character a bit more. and she did point out they wanted to go into different direction

Yes, that's why I am also skeptical about the bodyguards. However, like what I said before, going different direction is not the excuse to steal someone's stories (if that's what she did getting stories through unethical way). Because based on the info and review of post #56 posted by MsCassieMollie. It really felt like she admitted that she was the ghostwriter from the beginning and decided to write the book by herself later on. If that's the case, she got the stories by making the bodyguards thinking she is working with them. If she stated she is writing a book by herself upfront to the bodyguards, I doubt whether the bodyguards would willing to give her info so easily. That's the unethical part I am talking about.
 
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IMO the guards defending Murray seem to be the reason why they parted ways with her and why Mike Garcia left. And for me I will wait and see if the guards do anything legally to stop this
 
I Agree with Qbee. Who said she took their idea and is running with their story? From what i've read so far, its basically some stories, funny/serious, that the bodyguards shared with her for the book. As i understand, she is the one who was helping them to write the book...


L.o.v.e.
Romi
 
I Agree with Qbee. Who said she took their idea and is running with their story? From what i've read so far, its basically some stories, funny/serious, that the bodyguards shared with her for the book. As i understand, she is the one who was helping them to write the book...


L.o.v.e.
Romi

I guess our question is in what condition the bodyguard shared their stories with her? Did they get pay for telling the story? Did she just interview them to write the book? or did they think they worked together but she just run after getting the info? Base on what you wrote here. If she was helping them to write the book how come she become the sole author of the book? If she was taking the stories they shared with her when they believed they are co-workers and she just run ahead and release the book by herself, she is stealing the stories from the bodyguards without their permission.

Did you have the book and read it already? If you did, maybe you can give us some info or review of the book. The whole situation is quite confusing. Thanks

Edit: I just saw your previous post that you had the book. Can you share some info and the review when you are free. Thanks again.
 
Excerpt
His Las Vegas security guards - Williams, James, and Garcia and Thomas Mesereau, all of whom knew Michael well, have confirmed that he was not homosexual.


Attorney Thomas Mesereau became intimately aware of Michael Jackson's sexual proclivities during the months of the 2005 trial that delved into every aspect of the superstar's private life. There was a massive and thorough investigation into every event and piece of evidence that might reveal Michael's sexual preference and behaviours. Every item at his Neverland home - books, magazines, videos, articles of clothing, laundry hamper, papers, safes, and personal effects - was searched, confiscated, and/or filmed. Only some "girlie" magazines were found; nothing related to homosexual pornography was found - nothing. It is interesting to note that a photo of Marilyn Monroe was displayed on Michael's bedside table.


Thomas Mesereau affirms that "Michael Jackson was a 'red blooded male heterosexual'; he was not a pedophile - nothing could be further from the truth."


His Las Vegas security team of three men have affirmed that "Michael Jackson was not gay."


"Men know men," they explained in a kind of shorthand to communicate that they got to know their boss intimately and that he obviously liked women. He would watch them from his vehicle, like any heterosexual man would do, and occasionally he would comment to his protectors on the attractiveness of various women.


Mr Jackson maintained a relationship with each of two women during the many months of guard service by Boyd Williams, Baron James and Michael Garcia.


Known to his security team as "Flower" and "Friend" each would occasionally come to visit their boss. Mike Garcia speaks about driving them to meet when one of the women came to Las Vegas to spend private time with him. Three men believed that Mr Jackson used nicknames for the women in order to protect their identities.


Mr Jackson did not entertain either of his female friends in the presence of his children nor did they come to his house. Nothing was more important to Mr Jackson than the well being of his family and he did not want to impose a single/unmarried female guest, as his "date", upon his young, impressionable children. This behaviour was in keeping with his self professed description as "old fashioned" and "a gentleman."


It is fair to say that Michael Jackson was at the point in his life that he would not allow himself to open up thoroughly to any woman or allow himself to fall in love. Doing so would bring a world of his attention to his women friends, and the media would be relentless - like a dog with a bone - in chasing and hounding these women.


Ironically, it seems that the only ones outside of his security team - who ever saw Michael Jackson and one of his female companions together did not recognize him. Thankfully, no photos were ever taken. This situation is a tribute to his security men, who worked so diligently and intelligently hat Mr Jackson and his special "friends" were not detected or revealed to the public.


When Mr Jackson was visited by one of the women, the security team covertly made all of his requested arrangements. The guards escorted Mr Jackson into his reserved hotel suite without the knowledge or cooperation of hotel management. It would be too risky to notify hotel personnel about the boss' identity; his rendezvous with his lady could be easily and quickly ruined by the onslaught of paparazzi. "Michael Jackson with Mystery Woman!"


For the guards, it was great to know they could provide Mr Jackson with temporary peace of mind, which he so longed for and deserved. He could have someone he truly liked and she could reciprocate his feelings. They "acted like high school sweethearts," laughing, giggling, and joking around. They spoke on the telephone often, so much that Mr Jackson accumulated huge monthly long distance phone bills.


The revelation of Michael Jackson and women friends comes as no shock to most of the residents of Losn Olivos, the closest town to Neverland, at a distance of five miles. There, among the townspeople, it was commonly known that their neighbour superstar was dating women. Michael and his female friends typically avoided public places, as was his modus operandi in general, but sometimes he was spotted with a woman companion, who was obviously a "date" and the Michael Jackson sighting would be passed by word of mouth. Soon everyone would hear about it in this peaceful, scenic town in "wine country" with only 1,100 residents. It's also interesting to note that, according to a recent US Census Bureau report, the racial make up of Los Olivos was 92.7% white, only one African American (.1%) and the remaining 7.2% of individuals were of other races. Michael Jackson was unique within his local community and in so many ways - the biggest celebrity, the wealthiest resident, and an anomaly as an African American man.


When Michael Jackson was seen in the Los Olivos area, especially with a woman friend, it was always notable.
 
Thank you... I'm glad he could have that. I hope these girls are okay now. It must have been really hard...
 
^^^^ I agree very much with you. And I know these relationships were private and Michael certainly needed that in his life, but honestly...I'd love to know who these ladies are and how they're coping. They also need their privacy too. Wishful thinking, but I still wonder who made him feel all warm and fuzzy inside like "high school sweethearts..."
 
Aren't those the same bodyguards who thought Muray shouldn't pay for his crime?
 
MY REVIEW OF DEFENDING A KING

It's been almost a month?(I THINK) since I had received this book and I started to read it; but on and off, and I'm almost done now but this is what I think so far… :D


So I've read most of the chapters on this book and first let me say it's a positive book and speaks highly of Michael as far as I have read that is. There are some mistakes in the book like "Merlon Brando being in Smooth Criminal"- which supposed to be *You Rock My world*, and Elvis being among the people that Michael Idolized… :blink:… but anyways… the book is divided by different categories that was/is Michael and was around Michael.

For ex: about him as a human being, a Man… there are chapters divided into--> The humaniterian, the perfectionist, The prankster, Animal Lover, Why he loved children(He used to have children in wheel chair come back stage b4 or after his concert and give them toys that he spent putting batteries in. He sometimes gave the very weak ones his phone number and vice versa and he would call them and talk to them; encouraging them to be strong and the children would not be afraid anymore , Him taking the *High road*- (meaning how Michael NEVER said the name of a person who has done him wrong on TV or on any interview-him giving the other cheek), Him as KOP…etc...

There's also about his sexuality: His music/dance/performance, Women in his life-(Liz, Liza, Diana Ross, Lady Di, Brook…etc), the Ladies in his life-"women he had privet intimate relationship with" (he called them Flower or Friend to keep them anonymous from the public eye; even from their bodyguards-I think!); His Aura-how his presence was felt when he didnt even talk or touch fans/ppl.; How he affected people that saw him, met him...

*DADDY*- this chapter is all about PPB and their LOVE/respect for Michael and how they acted towards the staff around them. Most of the things on there has already been told on TV by the bodyguards with some exceptions...

The last part is about "Dr." Murray and the trial…etc etc… didnt get there yet.

Theres the fans section too and I havent finished it yet but so far its good. There are some things that we didnt know that the Bodyguards shared with her but most of it, we know. This would probably help ppl. who do not understand Michael to this day. It's cool for fans to have but dont get it if you're thinking there'll be more info about Michael there. Personally, I like it and would recommend it...


Hope this gives you an insight of what the book is like...


L.o.v.e.
Romi
 
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Carinemjj;3575509 said:
So this looks like a starting mess indeed...

But weren't the bodyguards not able to find a publisher because they didn't want to add crunchy stuff in the books?

If Dr. Moriarty has the same informations about who the 'real' MJ was as the bodyguard but she was able to get them published, isn't that a good thing, as long as the positive info is out?

BUT if one party or both wanted to make money out of it, then they're gonne bite each other and stuff. Of course someone wants money, otherwise they'd just write everything on a blog for everyone to see for free... BUT if she did steal information, was she able to find a publisher because she MAY have added those crunchy stuff?

This will be interesting to follow..

You´re right.
That or the bodyguards simply didn´t know what really put in the book, it delayed the publishing and they gave the excuse that the publishers wanted dirty stuff...
 
I don't like that book, it's almost a love letter to MJ. It won't convince people who aren't fans. I think Cascio did a much better job.
 
shelly_webster;3598910 said:
I don't like that book, it's almost a love letter to MJ. It won't convince people who aren't fans. I think Cascio did a much better job.

I wouldn't say a Love letter. It's something true about Michael, Something good about Michael. Cascio wrote his version, and the bodyguards and the author wrote this one… One(Non-MJ fan) has to have an open mind/NOT Bias, to read this book and find it positive… others who have not so-an open mind will have No other books or movies/vids. to convince them in any way. One cant force another to become a fan of anything…they just have to see it for what it is...


L.o.v.e.
Romi
 
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