CaptainEoLove85
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A bit late no? Yeah, him using Wade's lawyer is really suspicious.
If he is due more money, then by all means he should pursue this.
I'd imagine he gets a royalty check anytime any of his work with MJ is released, but there must be more to it than that.
Hopefully the fans won't turn on him with the HE JUST CARES ABOUT MONEY nonsense, because at the end of the day, this is how he made/makes his living.
in a statement to THR, Howard Weitzman, lawyer for the Michael Jackson Estate, says the estate "was saddened to learn that Quincy Jones has filed a lawsuit seeking money from Michael's estate. To the best of its knowledge, Mr. Jones has been appropriately compensated over approximately 35 years for his work with Michael."
My regard for Quincy hit a low point when I saw him on Letterman a few years ago, and while he spoke fondly of Count Basie, Frank Sinatra, and SnoopDog, there was no mention of Michael, who as far as I'm concerned, put Quincy on the map. Maybe he had this lawsuit on his mind? Who knows.
Anyway, props to Greeneyes for spotting the link between Wade and Quincy. Thank you Green-eyed one!
That Michael put him on the map is an exaggeration, but without doubt his albums with Michael are his most famous ones, so if he failed to mention Michael while mentioning all others he worked with is not too classy.
The fact of the matter is that their partnership produced a great synergy. without MJ, Quincy would not have had the success he had with MJ. yes he had some credentials mostly from the world of Jazz. However, he was an average artist/producer. his success was modest and pales in comparison to the work he did with MJ.
MJ took him on board because he thought Quincy could understand his artistic vision. That's what made MJ so unique. he knew exactly what he wanted and was looking for a producer who understood him and allow him to express himself artistically.
That being said, no-one is trying to take away Quincy's achievements. but my point is that both had a very effective partnership. so claiming that he made MJ is a gross misrepresentation. MJ success was not down to one person alone. it was the result of a solid team work involving MJ, Quincy, Frank Dileo, Bruce Sweden, Rod Temperson and so many others.
in addition, Quincy never replicated the success he had with MJ with other artists. which proves my point above.
Therefore, I think his contribution to MJ success is completely overblown. And Part of the reason the media are so quick to grant every credit in a book to Quincy alone is because of their utter disdain for MJ. They despise him so profoundly that they are willing to strip him of all his credentials if it boils down to that.
And this lawyer representing Quincy in this case seems to be banking on that. he's hoping to create enough negative publicity to force the estate to settle yet for another extortion attempt. My advise to the estate: fight for your right.
That being said, no-one is trying to take away Quincy's achievements. but my point is that both had a very effective partnership. so claiming that he made MJ is a gross misrepresentation. MJ success was not down to one person alone. it was the result of a solid team work involving MJ, Quincy, Frank Dileo, Bruce Sweden, Rod Temperson and so many others.
Therefore, I think his contribution to MJ success is completely overblown. And Part of the reason the media are so quick to grant every credit in a book to Quincy alone is because of their utter disdain for MJ. They despise him so profoundly that they are willing to strip him of all his credentials if it boils down to that.
And who claimed that? It was exactly the other way around with someone claiming MJ put him on the map. Saying that is an exaggeration is not saying that Quincy made MJ. I never said that. I would not even agree with that statement.
I do agree with that. I get frustrated when people want to give all credit to Quincy (which often stems from ignorance - with people thinking Quincy wrote the music on Michael's albums etc.) and I agree the media built up that myth about MJ having everything to thank to Quincy because they have a deep disdain for Michael. I also think Quincy is a lot more well-connected in the media (he's got high profile journalists as his friends such as Oprah) which also helped to cement that myth. And he's also more well-connected in the industry. For example, after Michael parted ways with him in 1989 he made an album with various artists called Back on the Block. It was literally showered with Grammys, while Michael's Bad was so overlooked by the Grammy board two years ago. Now, I have that album and it's a good album, but definitely not as good as Bad. I have seen people say Bad sounds dated today but then they should listen to Back on the Block. Now, THAT album is dated! IMO showering it with seven Grammys (just one less than Thriller) was ridiculous and I suspect it was kind of a message by the industry about how it was all about Quincy and not Michael. They were wrong but yes, there was this jealousy of MJ not only in the media but also within the industry.
See? I don't think at all that Quincy made MJ so I don't even get why you said that. No other act Quincy produced was remotely as successful as Michael and that speaks for itself. If it was all Quincy like some of MJ's detractors claim how come he could not make an international superstar out of his other protegees like Tevin Campell and Tamia?
On the other hand I think Quincy was a great musician and produer and he helped Michael a lot. I give credit where it's due.
But this thread is not about the individual merits of MJ and Quincy, it's about a lawsuit he filed. I don't know if he's right or wrong - the court will decide that. I don't really care either way, it has nothing really to do with MJ since the lawsuit is about things that allegedly happened after his death. What I'm upset about is the fact he used Wade Robson's lawyer.
That Michael put him on the map is an exaggeration, but without doubt his albums with Michael are his most famous ones, so if he failed to mention Michael while mentioning all others he worked with is not too classy.
I don't think though that this lawsuit is something personal to Quincy. He did not claim anything bad about Michael, any problem he's got is with MJ's Estate (and things they allegedly did after MJ's death) and not Michael personally. In fact, Quincy tweeted "Happy Birthday Smelly" last August and just a couple of days ago he retweeted that Ohio Marching Band tribute to MJ. So he does not seem to "hate" Michael. I know he said some questionable and rude things in the past (esp. regarding Michael's skin and children, and trying to downplay his talent), but I don't think this one is meant as a personal attack. It's strictly business.
The only thing I'm disturbed about is his connection with Wade Robson's lawyer. If it was with some other lawyer I would not even care about this issue much - let the Court/Judge decide if he's right or wrong. No biggie. But on that lawyer's part it does look shady and with ulterior motives. I can easily imagine though that Quincy is clueless about that connection. Or even about WR's allegations at all, because if you don't hang on MJ forums or on gossip websites such as TMZ you could easily miss those news. It wasn't that widely publicized.
“Quincy has been frustrated with these matters for a number of years, felt he was not making any progress and needed to take more formal action," says Henry Gradstein, his attorney.
The only thing Quincy is owed is a swift kick in the ass.
You know you are getting a standing ovation from me right now, literally.
That Michael put him on the map is an exaggeration, but without doubt his albums with Michael are his most famous ones, so if he failed to mention Michael while mentioning all others he worked with is not too classy.
I always found it odd he wasn't in that awful Spike Lee documentary. Perhaps the Estate have been shutting him out?
I always found it odd he wasn't in that awful Spike Lee documentary. Perhaps the Estate have been shutting him out?