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I don't hate Jordan. He was coerced into saying things when he was very, very young. I think even Michael didn't blame him for what he was saying about him.

Evan, however, is a different story. What a prick. I have no clue how Michael managed to get so many people in his life that stabbed him in the back, but Evan was one of them.
 
ShipOfFools said:
I don't hate Jordan. He was coerced into saying things when he was very, very young. I think even Michael didn't blame him for what he was saying about him.
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Jordan is a grown man now. No need to make excuses for him.Since at least he turned 18 it's all on him that he did not set the record straight and that he didn't makes him just as much responsible as his father is.
 
respect77 said:
Jordan is a grown man now. No need to make excuses for him.Since at least he turned 18 it's all on him that he did not set the record straight and that he didn't makes him just as much responsible as his father is.
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It still was child abuse. He's lost an abusive father, and is hated by millions of people.

Not saying I don't dislike him, but I feel a little sorry for him.
 
I don't feel one bit sorry for him never did never will. He should be laying in a box not Michael
 
ShipOfFools said:
It still was child abuse. He's lost an abusive father, and is hated by millions of people.

Not saying I don't dislike him, but I feel a little sorry for him.
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Jordan Chandler lives like a king. In every few months he's on another luxury vacation. He lives in a luxury place. Has a girlfriend. He's a successful businessman who lives a convenient life. All that thanks to the blood money they extorted from Michael.

Meanwhile Michael Jackson is dead. His children are orphaned. He spent the last almost two decades of his life maligned and hated by the general public because of the stigma Jordan and his family put on him. A stigma that is forever on him until Jordan chooses to hide cowardly.

So who is the real victim? Who abused who? Who do you want to feel sorry for?

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Never will feel sorry for Jordan! He had the 05 trial to finally say the truth underoath....the liar choose to take a vacation in aspen instead! F*ck him!
 
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respect77 said:
Jordan Chandler lives like a king. In every few months he's on another luxury vacation. He lives in a luxury place. Has a girlfriend. He's a successful businessman who lives a convenient life. All that thanks to the blood money they extorted from Michael.

Meanwhile Michael Jackson is dead. His children are orphaned. He spent the last almost two decades of his life maligned and hated by the general public because of the stigma Jordan and his family put on him. A stigma that is forever on him until Jordan chooses to hide cowardly.
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Yes. And there is still a constant possibility of accusations against Michael whenever somebody decides they want some of his money. But I have never thought that Jordan will ever come out with the truth. He wouldn't want to upset his "good" life, in my opinion. And I don't think he wants to lose the media's support either.
 
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I didn't know that about him. What a scumbag.

I agree that he should have said something. At least, in 2009, he could have said something.
 
If there was ever a chance of the truth coming out it was after evan killed himself. i had hopes but nothing... so i doubt it will ever come out. he has nothing to gain. hes a coward who thinks playing mjs music at his parties and telling ppl the truth is enough. i hope he ends up the same as his father. its the least he deserves. for the lie he allows to live on
 
My gut tells me that I kinda feel sorry for him, but in actuality I really don't and I still hated him, even seeing that mug just makes me wanna punch him in the face. I'm still feel that way unless he mans up and tell the whole world the truth like he should be. I can't stand cowards like him anymore and I'd rather he should rot in jail for lying to the fans and the authorities for years.
 
The mear thought of Jordan makes me sick!!! To see him on that picture smiling... I don't know what is worse, a picture of a smiling Jordan, Gavin, Bashir or Murray.

Will never ever forgive him!!! The day I read about hi becoming very, very sick will be the day I start believing in karma again.

It may sound cruel, but that's the way I feel.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
If there was ever a chance of the truth coming out it was after evan killed himself. i had hopes but nothing... so i doubt it will ever come out. he has nothing to gain. hes a coward who thinks playing mjs music at his parties and telling ppl the truth is enough. i hope he ends up the same as his father. its the least he deserves. for the lie he allows to live on
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He deserves to die a rotten death. He was a grown ass man in 2003/2005, and pushing 30 in 2009. He chose to stay mum, I hope someone accuses him of child molestation and he ends up in one of the worlds worst prisons gang raped, abused and vilified. He is a bitch who deserves nothing but evil coming his way, him, his offspring, his family, his girlfriend, his sister, his gold digging whore of a mother. Every single one of them.
 
Soundmind said:
never seen this video before ; the con artists Arvisoz , the lunatic Janet Arviso speaking :censored:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zx9mMfSGr4
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It's from the so called "rebuttal video" - that Michael's people did with the Arvizos to include in Take 2 as an answer to Bashir's "documentary".

They tried to claim in court that they said these nice things about Michael under duress, but then of course the outtakes showed how they laughed and joked when they did not even know the camera was rolling and how Janet volunteered to say more nice things about Michael. Janet then tried to claim in court that even the outtakes were scripted. LOL.

Eventually the footage wasn't used in Take 2, but it caused big problems for the prosecution in court.
 
That pic of Jordan smiling makes me incredibley angry. F him and F his family and all of his friends that co-signs his silence.
 
Justthefacts said:
I don't feel one bit sorry for him never did never will. He should be laying in a box not Michael
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twinklEE said:
He deserves to die a rotten death. He was a grown ass man in 2003/2005, and pushing 30 in 2009. He chose to stay mum, I hope someone accuses him of child molestation and he ends up in one of the worlds worst prisons gang raped, abused and vilified. He is a bitch who deserves nothing but evil coming his way, him, his offspring, his family, his girlfriend, his sister, his gold digging whore of a mother. Every single one of them.
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p.s. I'd add some of Mike's "family" (Latoya, specifically) to that list, too, their betrayal cutting him the deepest. They were supposed to love him the most, protect him the most, RESPECT him the most.
 
respect77 said:
^ I don't believe Jordan was administered Sodium Amytal. Here is why: http://michaeljacksonallegations.com/the-use-of-sodium-amytal/

And here is how, according to the Chandler's own story, Jordan "confessed". If you read it you will see that even IF the events described on July 16 are true, he was basically threatened into it by his father. But there are good reasons to believe they are not true and the article also details why: http://michaeljacksonallegations.com/how-did-the-allegations-of-the-chandlers-emerge/

Jordan most certainly does NOT have any false memories. If he had he would not have told Anthony Pellicano that he was not molested and that his father only wanted money. If he had he would not have told his friends in 2004 at NYU that he was not molested.



He did not suffer. He was never in therapy for the alleged abuse. In fact Ray Chandler wrote in All That Glitters that he was the least affected by all this... That's because he was never abused.



As you could see in my pervious post he has no problem with his own friends singing praises of Michael, so why would he have a problem with MJ being supported by his fans?

Jordan knows full well is was the deal and that he was not molested. No need to make excuses for him.

It appears the whole Sodium Amytal tale was thrown out there by the Chandlers themselves in the spring of 1994 and the purpose was to get the prosecution off their back who still wanted them to testify in a criminal trial.
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For some reason I get a 404 error for both those links
 
Those sick, pathetic creeps, all of them. I'm still flabbergasted re: the horrible breach of justice that was everything surrounding the 05 trial (and '93, too, but the former was the greater transgression IMO), truly nothing but a demented circus showcasing the worst aspects of humanity for all to see.

Michael truly was dropped into a pit of vipers, I dunno how he ever managed to involve himself with such lowly people as these. I suppose one feels somewhat sorry for Jordan Chandler as well (his father was clearly a f--ing lunatic, as evidenced by the above documents in addition to everything else we already know), but that sympathy is extremely limited given the fact he is now well into adulthood and has been too much of a coward to come forward and clear Michael's name.

Truly, Sneddon and Dimond should be in jail. That is the only place where either of them will ever belong, because their transgressions against human decency (even taking Michael out of the equation--if this had happened to someone else, it'd be equally disgusting) are too great to ignore.

And yet, they continue to thrive, and I don't know how they even sleep at night.

Gutierrez is also the most explicitly disgusting pedophile to have ever disgraced the printed word--his "works" are even banned for being basically pornography, and his involvement with NAMBLA (despite his attempts to veil it) is well-known. He is also a fugitive from justice, from what I understand--and who knows how many lives he's ruining wherever he may be.

But of course no one will do anything about that, because there's no profit in actually stopping a known pedophile.
 
Jordan will never speak up. He's a coward not willing to risk his good life that he's gained off Michael's money. He never spoke after Michael was ripped apart in 93, he never spoke up after he was emancipated from his parents, never spoke up during the trial period, never spoke up after Michael died. Just continuously sat back, smiling living the good life watching the world crucify his benefactor. Watched while Michael's children are maligned in the press. He makes me sick.
 
Evan is one of the most greedy and self centered people I've ever seen. Jordan is also selfish, while it would be difficult to deal with all the publicity and negative comments if he publicly admitted his claim was false, it would still be nothing compared to what Michael had to live with because of it. When people think you're a victim you have their compassion and understanding. When people think you're a molester people wish you injury and death. Even being a confessed liar would still not have as much of a negative backlash as what Michael had. Jordan grew into adulthood and let this happen, he could have stepped forward and set things right but he was too much of a coward. Maybe if he'd set the record straight other people wouldn't have tried accusing him, Michael's life may have been totally different and he could have lived longer. I hope that's the last thing Jordan remembers before he dies.
 
Where do you find all these private pictures? I have seen some few at a MJ blog, but who is the source? Facebook? And have Jordan facebook, instagram etc? I found his brother Nick, sister and Nathalie on Facebook but never Jordan
 
^ Jordan is not on Facebook or Instagram. Many of his family members and friends however are.
 
respect77 said:
And since we are at it, let me spill some more tea on the Chandlers.

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This is a picture that was posted on the FB of one of Jordan's best friends. The friend is a DJ and this is the laptop of a fellow DJ who photoshopped himself on this pic of MJ's iconic Thriller album cover. Jordan's friend posted the pic because he loved it so much. I have heard this friend's mixes on SoundCloud and they include MJ's music. And this DJ friend is so close to Jordan that he's not only close to Jordan, but close to his girlfriend, close to June, close to Nick (Jordan's younger brother), close to the whole family. So no, Jordan absolutely does not seem to have any problem with his close friends expressing admiration for MJ. And a VERY close family member of Jordan's praised Spike Lee's Bad 25 documentary as something that made him moved to tears. Jordan's sister Lily liked MJ inspired clothes on a website and liked the video of MJ with the Chandlers in Monaco, 1993 on YouTube. No, Jordan does not believe he was molested by MJ.
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Reminds me of TWYMMF playing in Gavin's wedding a little...
 
When I read that jordan stopped living with his family in 1994 and went to live with the ex-wife of Evan, I did a couple of researches and i ended in the facebook profile of the husband at the time of the ex-wife of Evan, this ex husband is who raised Emmanuelle and Nick as if they were his own children, as some of you may know.
To my surprise, i have Tatiana Thumbzen as a mutual friend, and not just that, in his favorite books appeared this one: https://www.facebook.com/JimmySteinfeldt?ref=profile
I decided to ask Tatiana if she knew this person, and her answer was no, and that she does not add anyone...
Then I searched his name on twitter, I went to see who is he following and wow: a fan page of Venezuela, and a dancer of the Immortal World Tour...
I'm a little ashamed to be telling which somehow was a "stalking" to this person, but I wanted to share it with you all, I find it interesting.
 
^ Good find. I've checked it and indeed he befriended Tatiana. And Tatiana said she wasn't the one who initiated it, hmm... And yes, I checked it and he also follows a Venezuelan MJ fan club on Twitter.




(Note: I empathically ask fans who know who we are talking about NEVER to harass him or her or send them hateful messages etc. - that will only make these people shut down their accouts and we will have a harder time to get information about them (just like it happened when fans found out about Lily Chandler and started to harass her). I know we all have lots of passion about these cases and people but use your brains. Thanks.)
 
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