MJ Estate Sues Howard Mann and business partner Henry Vaccaro - Settlement reached

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funny thats not what the will says. michael wanted his children and charities to get all the money and his mother to get a monthly allowance until she died . ................yeah we know the wills fake!.

anyway great news.thanks for the updates guys whats the betting they will use the kids in gary like last year and make them wave a few books around

It's not the Will it's the trust document.
 
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Read everything and still hung up on Katherine declaring that she needs the money she was getting from Vaccaro/Mann!

Needs the money for it? My goodness ... I had look at the last set of accounting submitted to the court. Her every financial need is being met and still she is not satisfied. I am beyond words.

Katherine takes a lot of money and are not satisfied, never will be. :wtf: :doh: It's crazy! :blink: That's what I say: some people how much more has, the more they want. The money has always been and always will be a curse. -_- Have so much love and obsession for money, never was and never will be a good thing. :nono: Never! That says a lot about a person..... :fear: :puke:
 
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Yes! This made my day. Congrats to the Estate. The court case should be a cake walk after this win :)
 
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Isn't it ironic. On one hand the Jacksons harassed and attacked the well respected industry veterans John Branca and John McClain Michael trusted. On the other hand, they hooked up with the crooks like Mann and vaccaro michael despised and sued. $$$$$$$$$

Which makes all their blustering about concerned for MJ's estate and his children BS. I didn't hear a single thing out of ANY of them, including Ms. Janet, when MJ's kids were signed up with Mann. That's when their mother should have been hauled off for a rest.
 
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In the trial the damages for the estate will be established.
But Mann and Vacarro are deeply in debt. So they can not pay to the estate. Is this not a possibility for the Estate to get back the memorbilia-collection?


http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/indu...estate-s-copyrights-violated-1007803552.story

An upcoming trial will address damages, although the judge noted that Mann and the site probably will not be able to pay any amount because of debts.

Annita good idea. I did not think of that one. The estate could tell the criminals that they will take as partial payment ALL Michael owned objects Mann got from the storage rooms. They could keep all the other Jackson materials, and the estate would expect the rest of the cash/damages in the future.
 
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update from NY Daily News

Mann vowed to fight on and said he doesn't believe the judge's ruling applies to the hardcopy tribute book that he published with Katherine's blessing.

"It's obviously very disappointing, but we intend to go back with some additional information. We still feel we have marketing rights related to the book," Mann told the Daily News.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...on-shot-court-article-1.1134041#ixzz23FgQVyAf

What is it about Mann's brain that he cannot understand so many things on so many levels????????? Look who he keeps talking to anyway--the daily news!!!! He must have cash to keep going back to court with these flimsy claims. He thinks he can fight this case in the newspaper the same way Muarry thought he could. Every time he goes to the paper with a claim, the court strikes it down anyway. First, he tells the paper he had documents to prove about the will, and we find out it was only the same nonsense that team Janet said. Now the judge made a ruling and he thinks Katherine's blessing on a book makes it ok and he is going back with new information. One wonder's if that new information comes from the vault too. Actually, I would like to see him try to hawk the book with the pictures at issue in them so he can get into more trouble.

Another good thing about this is that we may not see the books being sold at the Gary event. The best thing is to give them away free to the people of Gary.



Sorry for double post
 
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Which makes all their blustering about concerned for MJ's estate and his children BS. I didn't hear a single thing out of ANY of them, including Ms. Janet, when MJ's kids were signed up with Mann. That's when their mother should have been hauled off for a rest.

What do you expect? Randy was on the Heal the World foundation . The profit from the book was for that foundation.
 
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yeah no probs. i just class everything as the will when talking about it
 
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Elusive is among those who are very informed.
 
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Summary judgement covered 10 out of 12 original claims. 2 were left : 5 drawings of Michael and false endorsement (thank you note to Estate)
Estate is abandoning both of these claims while reserving their rights. This leaves the only issue remaining as damages.
Estate is asking for $1.5M fair market value for name & likeliness, actual damages, punitive damages and legal fees.
Estate is also open to a bench trial ( verdict decided by a judge only).
Estate has 15 witnesses they are planning to call, 7 of them will only be called if needed.

Estate's witness list is Mann , Vaccaro, Sonia Lowe, a person most knowledgeable about Vintage Associates , Michael Blakey, William Pigg, Fernando Torres, Michael Kunkel

Will be called if needed : Sean Montgomery of BB games, Stephen Bugbee, Robert Creel, CSI Commerce solutions, Lee Durst, Chris Sauer,Keith Lowy


Later today or tomorrow we should get Mann / Vaccaro's list as well.
 
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Ivy

Does it mean Mann gets to keep the drawings?
 
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Ivy

Does it mean Mann gets to keep the drawings?

Hard to say. Currently with Estate abandoning them I guess he can use them, but Estate is keeping their rights. Perhaps they'll solve it with Brett Livingstone-strong or during Tohme trial.
 
Okay let's go through some filings

MJ Estate's response to Mann's filing about MJ's will , Estate Executors

Estate is repeating many of their previous points - irrelevant, no legal standing, wrong court etc- in this reply as well. They says Mann is trying to introduce this just to garner sympathy from the jury. Estate says they will establish their copyrights by showing the copyright registrations - which is enough to satisfy the burden of proof. And nothing Mann argues shows how anything about the will can challenge these ownership.

Estate continues to debunk Mann's claims saying there's no relationship between his partnership with Katherine and MJ Estate - just because a beneficiary of the Estate Katherine has went into a business with Mann it doesn't create a relationship between them and the Estate.

To Mann's complaint that "this Court must know the extent the Estate has gone to prevent Katherine Jackson, and therefore the Mann Jackson partnership, from using name and likeness of Michael Jackson", Estate simply states "Defendants apparently
fail to comprehend that Mrs. Jackson does not have the right to commercially exploit Michael Jackson’s name and likeness."

Estate's reply to Mann's response to website / Thriller 25

Estate argues that this point has become moot as the summary judgement has already decided there was a copyright infringement of Thriller 25. Estate still argues that Mann should not be allowed to present versions of the website because Estate wasn't given them and couldn't get their experts to examine them.

Joint Exhibit list

This is an exhibit list - only names & brief descriptions - of items that the sides plan to use at trial. It's all legal documents, communications and such. The only interesting exhibit is this

Email correspondence from Howard Mann dated March 24, 2011, with the subject line “Your resignations!”

It's not clear who this email was sent to but this is included in MJ Estates "we will only use it if needed" section among with Mann's statements / interviews given to TMZ, X17 etc. badmouthing the Estate Executors.

So I guess it's probable that Mann asked the Executors to resign

Mann Defendants filings

Mann's lawyers main point is about punitive damages. They say punitive damages requires malice and Mann did not have this as he believed Vaccaro's and his lawyers representations that they had acquired the IP rights. Mann also says he checked this by approaching the Jacksons - mainly Joe and Katherine. Mann tells that it was Joe and Katherine that mentioned him their concerns about the Executors and the will and the income.

Mann still wants a jury trial and doesn't want to pay legal expenses of the other side.

Mann has 32 witnesses

these overlap with MJ's Estate's witness list

Mann , Vaccaro, Sonia Lowe, a person most knowledgeable about Vintage Associates , Sean Montgomery of BB games, Stephen Bugbee, CSI Commerce solutions, Keith Lowy, William Pigg

Other witnesses are

Branca, McClain, MJJ Productions, Optimum Productions, Sony/ ATV, Brett Livingstone-Strong, Dr. Tohme, Brian Oxman, Joe Jackson, Katherine Jackson, Ed Pease, Brian Oxman, Steve Fernandez, Andrew Baharias, Janet, Randy, Tito, Jermaine, Rebbie, Laurel Henry, Charles Sullivan
 
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More bits of Vaccaro's deposition is filed and in this one we learn that they lied to Katherine. Katherine did not want to do anything with Vaccaro so Mann came up with a fake purchase agreement to hid Vaccaro's involvement and act like he purchased and owned the assets

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Clearly there is malice on Mann's part since he's trying to harm the Estate by running an illegal business even though he's been repeatedly told not to. and his letter threatening the Estate isn't helping either.
 
Estate continues to debunk Mann's claims saying there's no relationship between his partnership with Katherine and MJ Estate - just because a beneficiary of the Estate Katherine has went into a business with Mann it doesn't create a relationship between them and the Estate.

Did Mann seriously think he is in business with the estate when he went into a business with Katherine!
Idiot.
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To Mann's complaint that "this Court must know the extent the Estate has gone to prevent Katherine Jackson, and therefore the Mann Jackson partnership, from using name and likeness of Michael Jackson", Estate simply states "Defendants apparently
fail to comprehend
that Mrs. Jackson does not have the right to commercially exploit Michael Jackson’s name and likeness."

Mann must have a thick skull if he doesn't understand that he has no rights to use Michael's likeness or name:doh:
Loving the bolded part.
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Email correspondence from Howard Mann dated March 24, 2011, with the subject line “Your resignations!”

It's not clear who this email was sent to but this is included in MJ Estates "we will only use it if needed" section among with Mann's statements / interviews given to TMZ, X17 etc. badmouthing the Estate Executors.


Mann is one bold man, he has nerve to email to executors and ask them to resign:doh:

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Mann's lawyers main point is about punitive damages. They say punitive damages requires malice and Mann did not have this as he believed Vaccaro's and his lawyers representations that they had acquired the IP rights. Mann also says he checked this by approaching the Jacksons - mainly Joe and Katherine. Mann tells that it was Joe and Katherine that mentioned him their concerns about the Executors and the will and the income.

So he basically says that Joe and Katherine ok'ed him to go ahead with his illegal exploitation, therefore both of them were well aware of the illegalities of this case. It is pity that Katherine is not called as witness, she is the one who started this mess with Mann:angry:
I fail to understand why the hell Joe and Katherine are going around telling their business partners that the will is fake (what ever) and Katherine herself didn't take the will issue to court. WTH!
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Mann has 32 witnesses
Janet, Randy, Tito, Jermaine, Rebbie.

The infamous 4, granny-nappers:)
 
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More bits of Vaccaro's deposition is filed and in this one we learn that they lied to Katherine. Katherine did not want to do anything with Vaccaro so Mann came up with a fake purchase agreement to hid Vaccaro's involvement and act like he purchased and owned the assets

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So Katherine didn't want to do any business Vaccaro crook, but has not problems going on business with another crook?
The bolded part is interesting, I wonder if anything is going to come out of that statement.
 
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The part about there being no malice to avoid paying punitive damages is ridiculous. How many warnings did they get but still ignored them and carried on, talk about arrogance.
 
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it would be quite funny to see mann witnesses on the stand
 
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Mann's lawyers main point is about punitive damages. They say punitive damages requires malice and Mann did not have this as he believed Vaccaro's and his lawyers representations that they had acquired the IP rights. Mann also says he checked this by approaching the Jacksons - mainly Joe and Katherine. Mann tells that it was Joe and Katherine that mentioned him their concerns about the Executors and the will and the income.

So he basically says that Joe and Katherine ok'ed him to go ahead with his illegal exploitation, therefore both of them were well aware of the illegalities of this case.

So is Mann claiming that Katherine and Joe led him on knowing that the whole business arrangement would become a hot mess sooner or later in the court? If that's the case, I still don't believe he's as innocent as he seems to want people to think. From all I've heard, he was always trying to make money with Katherine using Michael's image and property hoping that the Estate wouldn't find out. So in my opinion, he knew that what he was doing was not right. And I also think that he only demanded that the executors to resign because they found out what was happening and sued him.
 
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So is Mann claiming that Katherine and Joe led him on knowing that the whole business arrangement would become a hot mess sooner or later in the court?

I truly believe that Joe AND Katherine told Mann that they had the rights to do whatever they wanted to do.

If I recall correctly, when the Gary Project was first announced, the Estate of Michael Jackson made it clear that they would have no rights to Michael's likeness and so forth. The Mayor of Gary then started waving a letter around which was signed by both Joe and Katherine Jackson "claiming" that they had the rights to all things Michael Jackson.

Even when the Estate objected, the Mayor continued to say: No, no, no. Mr. and Mrs. Jackson signed a letter, there are no problems.

In my opinion, "some" members of the Jackson family don't care about the long run, they are just interested in earning a few dollars, before they move on to the next scam, I mean "project."

Case in point, look at the new book written by the guy from the Michael Forever Tribute. The Jacksons who were involved, got what they wanted and just moved on, leaving Chris Hunt and Company holding the bag.
 
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Mann is claiming that he believed to Vaccaro's presentations that he got the assets legally - which he did - and it included the IP rights and so on. Mann says he talked to a lawyer - Lee Durst / his current lawyer- which told him the same. Mann furthermore says he talked to Katherine and Joe who also gave him sworn affidavits that Vaccaro got the items legally.

So Mann argues that he didn't have any malice because he genuinely thought that these assets and IP rights were Vaccaro's and they had every right to use them.

You be the judge.
 
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Mann may have 'thought' he had those rights but I feel a judge will see things differently. Surely malice has been proved when he carried on after being told not to?
 
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Summary judgement covered 10 out of 12 original claims. 2 were left : 5 drawings of Michael and false endorsement (thank you note to Estate)

^Waw did you see the bolded? How did I miss this before!! Strong is on the list too. I would like to hear what he has to say, since he will be in some trouble soon for stealing art.
 
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^^

he won't be, at least in this case. Estate is dropping that claim but still it's also mentioned at Tohme lawsuit.
 
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^^Good then we will follow it in the Thome lawsuit.
 
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From Leslie:

Howard Mann's Lies

Henry Vaccaro had another deposition this March in regards of the Michael Jackson Estate vs. Howard Mann case.

Vaccaro testified that he and Mann had a fake contract in order to mislead Katherine Jackson. Mann told to Vaccaro that Katherine would not do anything with the Jackson Collection, until Vaccaro is an interested party (Katherine was still furious over Vaccaro because he seized some of the family items in a previous litigation).

It was Mann's idea that they should create a fake agreement saying that Vaccaro sold everything to Mann, however nothing such has happened. As a result of this maneuver they can get Katherine i
involved with the Mann businesses.

Based on the deposition transcripts, Vaccaro is disappointed with Mann's actions. He is criticising him, and insisting that he only wanted to see some money from the deals, but had nothing to do with the everyday operations.

Vaccaro furthermore stated that Mann lied about the sale numbers of the "Never Can Say Goodbye" book. Mann's website, JacksonSecretVaults.com stated that they sold 25,000 copies within 48 hours, however Mann admitted to Vaccaro that it was "all for hype". Vaccaro recalls that the total numbers were very far from this.

In regards of the "Vintage Pop Media" logo what clearly shows MJ leaning from the "Smooth Criminal" video, one of Mann's lawyers said it's a "public domain" and it was Fred Astaire's lean, not MJ.

Mann claims in his papers that the infamous "Destiny" song fiasco was caused by Vaccaro, as Vaccaro sent the sound recording to him represented to be an "original".

In the meantime both parties filed their witness lists. Two names may be interesting from Mann's side: "Dr." Tohme, MJ's infamous manager; and Charles Sullivan, the Promoter of the Jackson Victory Tour.

http://lesliemjhu.blogspot.se/2012/08/howard-manns-lies.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
 
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