Paris Jackson Rushed to Hospital After Possible Suicide Attempt

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Was Katherine Jackson so offended by Paris Jackson's moves last summer, making her babies look bad in the media, that she lashed out against Paris Jackson?

May 15, 2009, Katherine Jackson must've been offended by AEG Live, because this meeting held at the Beverly Hills Hotel, was about her damned babies. Now Paris Jackson has gone and discredited them damned babies and I think this is what the deep-seated anguish is.

What a load of crap that is. Paris Jackson should not be held responsible about Katherine Jackson's damned babies and the bad publicity that the damned babies bring upon themselves!
 
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Was Katherine Jackson so offended by Paris Jackson's moves last summer, making her babies look bad in the media, that she lashed out against Paris Jackson?

May 15, 2009, Katherine Jackson must've been offended by AEG Live, because this meeting held at the Beverly Hills Hotel, was about her damned babies. Now Paris Jackson has gone and discredited them damned babies and I think this is what the deep-seated anguish is.

What a load of crap that is. Paris Jackson should not be held responsible about Katherine Jackson's damned babies and the bad publicity that the damned babies bring upon themselves!

This is just my opinion--I think there is so much dysfunction with Katherine & the family that I believe what you are suggesting is absolutely true. So glad you said it. I think the family made Paris pay dearly for tweeting during the Grandma-napping fiasco. Once they were all let back into the house after the restraining order expired (and why did that even happen???) I'll wager they made her life even more miserable to teach her a lesson--broke her spirit. She probably felt helpless and I think there was an effort to use a "divide and conquer" tactic to separate Paris & Prince. I'll tell you something...the longer those children are in that house, they remain at risk. Money corrupts and who knows what "plans" are in the works behind the scenes? The family has earned all the distrust leveled at them. It's what Michael endured his entire life! And, now his children, too.
 
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PARIS JACKSON
DEEP IN DARK 'CUTTING' WORLD
EXCLUSIVE


The public should not be reading this.


I don't know the truth of the story, but TMZ's "sources" just need to stop. This is too personal, too detailed, and exploits the emotional frailty of a vulnerable young lady.


Where the hell are the people who should be protecting her.
 
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The public should not be reading this.


I don't know the truth of the story, but TMZ's "sources" just need to stop. This is too personal, too detailed, and exploits the emotional frailty of a vulnerable young lady.


Where the hell are the people who should be protecting her.

In court trying to wrangle money (they don't even need) from AEG.


ETA: I agree with you--But, I would expect that the UCLA medical staff is shielding her from access to any media at all. That's a standard protocol.
 
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This is just my opinion--I think there is so much dysfunction with Katherine & the family that I believe what you are suggesting is absolutely true. So glad you said it. I think the family made Paris pay dearly for tweeting during the Grandma-napping fiasco. Once they were all let back into the house after the restraining order expired (and why did that even happen???) I'll wager they made her life even more miserable to teach her a lesson--broke her spirit. She probably felt helpless and I think there was an effort to use a "divide and conquer" tactic to separate Paris & Prince. I'll tell you something...the longer those children are in that house, they remain at risk. Money corrupts and who knows what "plans" are in the works behind the scenes? The family has earned all the distrust leveled at them. It's what Michael endured his entire life! And, now his children, too.

:yes:paris appearance change, her alleged depression, her cutting all started after the grandma missing fiasco. Some fans said she wrote on social media about her family ill talk her. It seems like there are a lot of resentments toward Paris in that house. Can you imagine what Michael would react to see his little girl end up in hospital under the care of the Jacksons?
 
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I can't believe I balled my eyes out over what is happening with Paris Jackson. This is a total fiasco!

I'm sure Michael Jackson thought adding Diana Ross as the second guardian would motivate his mother to do her best to be a fit parent and not lose the money to Diana Ross, he was just that way, the competitive edge. Only thing is, Diana Ross was 25 when she was a surrogate mother to Michael Jackson way back in 1969.

Unfortunately, Paris Jackson now has to separate herself from Michael Jackson's parents and siblings in order to lead a more constructive life. You can't go back to what caused your unhappiness.


 
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:yes:paris appearance change, her alleged depression, her cutting all started after the grandma missing fiasco. Some fans said she wrote on social media about her family ill talk her. It seems like there are a lot of resentments toward Paris in that house. Can you imagine what Michael would react to see his little girl end up in hospital under the care of the Jacksons?

Sadly, this is likely the truth of what's happening to her--I agree with all you've said. It's right there in front of us. I only hope the combination of psychiatrists and the judicial system can save her--she cannot go back into that house! I hope the Estate is watching closely, even though they can't do much directly--they really do care about MJ's kids and seem alarmed. I'm afraid for Paris, frankly.

And the bolded part--makes me tear up just thinking about it. This is not what Michael had in mind for his beloved daughter.
 
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Keep The Faith Paris!!

I think it's a good idea she gets some more treatment and help.

BUT - if it all turns "back-to-normal" when she is releashedfrom the hospital it will not help!! Things need to change around the Jacksons!

I hope they will have all their attention on Paris, Prince and Blanket, give them all the love and support they can!

The trial doesn't matter, money doesn't matter - ONLY J3 should matter and be given attention.
 
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imo the kids broke the golden rule of the jackson family. sweep everything under the rug and lie to keep family business out of the spotlight so they can keep pushing the fake family image of unity. the kids blew that out of the water during granny napping and that has just made some in the family resent the kids even more than they did before.

nothing will change if pj goes back to the family. nothing has changed in that family for 50 years it wont start now. a sense of entitlement and brushing things under the rug for the sake of image are ingrained in every generation in that family and the children will continue to be exploited for the rest of the family aslong as theres a need. if the family win their blood money then maybe the kids will be totally ignored as there will be no need to exploit them in order to pay the families bills.whether that will make things worse who knows
 
I think some people don’t really understand how serious the situation with Grandma-napping was.

As I see things since last summer - we can expect anything from the family !

They basically committed a crime and got away with it.

So to think they suddenly forget how far they were ready to go and now are one big happy family after all, it’s just unbelievable to me. I'm sorry.

I just hope that nothing could break the girl’s spirit and her action is an attempt to escape.
I hope things are different from what the press wants us to believe in.
 
Paris Jackson 'finally coming to terms' with Dad Michael Jackson's Death
Sunday, Jun 23, 2013, 21:17 IST | Place: London | Agency: ANI

During counselling, Paris openly talked about her dad's death and how it has affected her life since.

Paris Jackson, who was rushed to the hospital after she cut her wrists on June 5, has finally been able to grieve the loss of her dad Michael Jackson, with the help of experts in hospital.

According to sources close to the Jackson family, the troubled teen spent a lot of time with psychiatrists “coming to terms” with the death of the iconic singer, the Mirror reported.

Despite the fact that doctors had permitted her to go home after her suicide attempt, she wished to extend her stay at the hospital.

During counselling, Paris openly talked about her dad’s death and how it has affected her life since.

A family friend said that the hospital is the sanctuary she needed to unleash her grief over the loss of her dad, whose fourth death anniversary is coming up on Tuesday.

http://www.dnaindia.com/entertainmen...ackson-s-death


Thanks for sharing, Julie
 
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I can only imagine what she has endured in that house from her family since last summer. Bullied at home, bullied at school, bullied online. I can't even imagine :( I really hope she's okay today.
 
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The best thing that could happen is for all Jackson children to get out of that house, out of the public eye. Debbie Rowe is trustworthy, I think she genuinely has the best interests for Paris and Prince... and Blanket, well, we hear so little of him.

Allowing Paris on twitter and on the internet was the worst imaginable thing they could have done. 15-year old girls have it hard enough. 15-year old girls who are the world famous daughter of the most famous and most controversial pop star ever. That's guaranteed to go wrong.

My opinions on the Jacksons aside, they have not taken care of the children in an adequate manner. I would be happy if I never saw them again and if they lived a normal, boring life. There is no reason at all to force them into fame and celebrity.

'My father always told me you won't live a quiet life'...
 
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Debbie Rowe is trustworthy, I think she genuinely has the best interests for Paris and Prince...


I beg to differ
 
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The best thing that could happen is for all Jackson children to get out of that house, out of the public eye. Debbie Rowe is trustworthy, I think she genuinely has the best interests for Paris and Prince... and Blanket, well, we hear so little of him.

Debbie Rowe is feeding the media with stories about the kids, just like the Jacksons do. She also puts out pics of Paris on social media. She just vouched for TMZ on her Twitter saying how they were credible and she also revealed she's friends with Harvey Levin. She does not seem to understand the implications of these kids getting pushed out in the spotlight any more than the Jacksons do.
 
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As much as I don't trust Katherine, as much as I feel Michael's children deserve better, as much as I side eye Katherine's guardian jobs and her shady deals, Katherine is still ten times better than Debbie in my eyes. I believe Michael saw through Debbie's true colour long time ago. as the fan, she opened my eyes lately. I am still a bit surprise when she admits her close tie with TMZ, although she had the history of buddying with shady leeches of Michael's life. But hey She is one of them so why not. It's just she is PP's birth mother, fans don't want to think her that way. For Paris's own good, I hope she loves Debbie with a distance. Well, It's their life, no matter what fans think, we can't change anything. Sigh
I can only wish PPB have the strength of transforming their loss and love to Michael into positivity in life of what Michael represents -love and giving, being the best they can be and finding out the true meaning of life.
 
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As much as I don't trust Katherine, as much as I feel Michael's children deserve better, as much as I side eye Katherine's guardian jobs and her shady deals, Katherine is still ten times better than Debbie in my eyes. I believe Michael saw through Debbie's true colour long time ago. as the fan, she opened my eyes lately. I am still a bit surprise when she admits her close tie with TMZ, although she had the history of buddying with shady leeches of Michael's life. But hey She is one of them so why not. It's just she is PP's birth mother, fans don't want to think her that way.

Debbie's alot of things,but it's Katherine that signed these kids to shady ventures. You can't get lower than that. With Katherine there will always be that threat as to what will they be signed to do next. It's really scary when you think about it. With Debbie there's just more of a "Huh???" "I don't get it" thing going on when it comes to her.

Just overall, these kids are in such a sad situtation.
 
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^^^^They knew very well something was wrong because Paris visited UCLA months ago for depression/cutting, if media reports are true. The visit has been confirmed by UCLA. So, the question is why wasn't there follow up for Paris? A therapist? I'd love to know what UCLA recommended to Katherine months ago, but we'll never know. Wish someone would leak that!

So they knew something was wrong and they still pimped her like they did? How did they not put a stop to all that unneccesary overexposure and her twitter being so public?
 
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Debbie's alot of things,but it's Katherine that signed these kids to shady ventures. You can't get lower than that. With Katherine there will always be that threat as to what will they be signed to do next. It's really scary when you think about it. With Debbie there's just more of a "Huh???" "I don't get it" thing going on when it comes to her.

Just overall, these kids are in such a sad situtation.

We don't know what Debbie would do if she was the guardian. She's buddy with Marc Schaffel who is buddy with Howard Mann, so the kids would not be safe from those vultures with her either.
 
Michael Jackson’s Daughter Paris Still ‘Emotionally Fragile’ On Fourth Anniversary Of Dad’s Death


Posted on Jun 25, 2013 @ 3:52AM | By Jen Heger




The troubled teenage daughter of late pop star Michael Jackson will spend the fourth anniversary of his death surrounded by family at the hospital where she’s being treated after attempting suicide three weeks ago, RadarOnline.com is exclusively reporting.
Paris is “expected to receive visits from grandmother, Katherine Jackson, her biological mother, Debbie Rowe, brothers, Prince and young brother Blanket,” a family insider revealed.

Former nanny Grace Rwaramba is also anticipated to spend time with the 15-year-old on the anniversary.
PHOTOS: Paris Jackson Testifies In Videotaped Deposition
“Paris is emotionally fragile and it’s important for her doctors to physically assess and monitor her on an occasion like the four year anniversary of her father’s death” the source said. “She is just raw and exhausted. Plans are being made for Paris’ medical care once she leaves the hospital. It will be intensive. She has a very long road ahead of her, but the good news is Paris is getting help.”
Just last week, jurors in the Jackson’s billion dollar wrongful death lawsuit against concert promoter AEG were shown an excerpt of Paris’ video deposition from earlier this year.

Looking poised and confident, Paris smiled, laughed and joked with lawyers deposing her.
PHOTOS: Shocking Evidence Found In Michael Jackson’s Bedroom
During the excerpt, Paris made shocking statements about Ugandan-born Rwaramba, her former nanny and the woman who had worked for her father for 17 years.

Charged Paris: “My dad didn’t like her so he tried to keep her away from us. He would send her to run errands a lot… He said she was sneaky, she was not an honest person and she lied a lot.”
However, family sources tell Radar that Grace has since visited Paris in hospital after the deposition was made public.
PHOTOS: Paris Jackson Shares Images From Her Schoolgirl Life

The Jackson family matriarch, Rowe and Rwaramba “have made it clear to Paris how much she is loved.”
“They’ve done a remarkable job of showing this young lady that she isn’t alone,” the insider added.
“However, they know that all the love in the world can’t ease the source of Paris’ pain, the loss of her beloved dad. Paris loves Grace and the feeling is mutual. They have a very complex relationship that is complicated by Paris’ aunts and uncles. Still, Paris continues to allow Grace to visit. In fact, Paris has specifically asked for Grace to visit.”
 
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I just watched the memorial again and if you watch Prince on stage you know he knows exactly what they're in for. Like he said last summer, their father warned them about certain people, you can see him standing independently and not particularly with any aunts or uncles and just kinda looking at them. He knew :(
 
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The kids can trust no one and they know it.

I hope the kids realize that--Blanket may be too young yet to fully understand--but Prince & Paris must know.

Debbie's alot of things,but it's Katherine that signed these kids to shady ventures. You can't get lower than that. With Katherine there will always be that threat as to what will they be signed to do next. It's really scary when you think about it. With Debbie there's just more of a "Huh???" "I don't get it" thing going on when it comes to her.

Just overall, these kids are in such a sad situtation.

And, the really scary part of Katherine is that she is a puppet for her own kids. THEY (Randy, esp) are the ones likely "pulling the strings" on these shady deals using Michael's kids to generate money for themselves. Evil imo.

So they knew something was wrong and they still pimped her like they did? How did they not put a stop to all that unneccesary overexposure and her twitter being so public?

That's what's so upsetting to me. Paris was having serious enough trouble months ago that it required a visit to UCLA--not a private doctor--but a hospital. So, she's been depressed/cutting for some time and despite her fragile, suicidal condition, Katherine et al went ahead with the trial, likely ignored follow up instructions for the care/treatment of Paris (common practice after hospital visit) and didn't give her the attention she needed to the point of her attempting suicide. If Katherine couldn't handle what she knew to be a serious and life-threatening situation with Paris, she should have said so and made sure someone else stepped in, or Paris was hospitalized for treatment. Instead, she concentrated on the trial and left her depressed granddaughter to fend for herself, almost succeeding in taking her own life. This level of neglect from a grandmother toward her son's beloved daughter is shameful and disgraceful. imo
 
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I also don't believe these media reports from "family sources" that Paris is now "coming to terms" with her father's death. Therapy takes a long time--it's a process--and Paris could not be that far along in such a short period of time. Again, these are Jackson family sources putting this out to manipulate Michael's fans and make us believe everything is just fine now. Well, it isn't and we all know it. That Paris is under the care of psychiatrists at UCLA is a good thing and she is a very strong young woman who will survive this in spite of the Jackson family. But, it will take time. And, Michael's fans will be here praying for her and wishing her well.

But, Michael's fans won't be manipulated by family BS fed to the media.
 
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How to Stop Cutting Yourself

1 - First of all, know that you are loved. No matter who you are, there is someone who loves you, and who doesn't want you harmed. Know that I love you, unconditionally and without judgement, just because you are a human being, and you deserve to be loved.

2 - Recognize that you might need professional help. If you've harmed yourself to the point of severe injury (that is, inflicting a cut that bled for more than 10 minutes or intentionally nicking major veins or arteries), or if you've had suicidal thoughts, seek help immediately. No matter what your issue, age, gender, or background, never feel ashamed to seek help.

If you're a minor, tell your parent or guardian that you need to see a mental health professional as soon as possible. Emphasize that this is an emergency.
If you're an adult and have health insurance, call your primary care physician as soon as possible and ask for a referral to a therapist or psychologist who specializes in self-harm. If you're not insured, investigate free or low-cost mental health clinics in your area, or ask a member of your clergy for help.

3 - Tell someone you trust about what's happening. This is one of the hardest things to do, but it's also one of the most important. Building a stable support system for yourself can help you transition from cutting to recovery. Confide in a close family member, friend or member of your clergy or congregation.

Tell someone who can make your situation better, not worse. For instance, it's probably not a good idea to confide in a fellow cutter - you might find yourselves discussing methods and incidents, instead of focusing on recovery. Rather, choose a person you trust and respect, who seems capable of helping you improve.
Try to overcome any feelings of shame, if only for a moment. All you need is long enough to get the words out. If you've chosen someone trustworthy to tell, he or she will care enough about you to focus on helping you instead of making you feel worse.
Don't be discouraged if your confidant's initial response is shock, fear or disgust. Many people who have never cut themselves can't understand why you would do something like that to yourself, but that doesn't mean they're unwilling to listen and be compassionate.
Request that the people you tell about your cutting keep the matter private. Explain that it will be helpful for you to know that the issue is being kept between just the two of you, so that you can feel like you're in control of your recovery.
Ask this person if you can talk to him or her when you feel like harming. Having someone to confide in when you feel bad can distract you from cutting, and ultimately speed your recovery. The request doesn't have to be elaborate - something as simple as "Would it be OK for me to call you when I feel like hurting myself, so maybe we can talk about it instead and I'll be distracted?" will suffice. Chances are this person will be more than happy to support you in this way.
If you don't feel like you can talk to anyone in your life about cutting, call a hotline. Crisis hotline staff are trained to provide support and offer you alternatives to self harming. If you haven't gathered the courage to open up to someone close to you yet, then talking anonymously on an untracked hotline would be a good idea. Make a habit of doing this when you would usually cut. Here are some numbers to try within the US:
1-800-273-TALK (8255): National Suicide Prevention Hotline, a 24-hour crisis line for if you're about to self-harm.
1-800-334-HELP (4357): The Self-Injury Foundation's 24-hour crisis line.

4 - Try talking to a professional crisis clinician. It is clear that it is not their job to "talk you out of" harming yourself - you make your own choices and you must take responsibility for your actions. However, talking to your GP or another professional and notifying them of your situation will help. They may be able to tell you if you have the symptoms of a disease or disorder (depression, etc.) that may be contributing/causing you to self-harm. They may also be able to refer you to a clinic or support group.


5 - Remove any objects you have used before to self harm from your immediate area. If you have time to search for something harm yourself with, you may just be able to crush the impulse. One minute can determine whether or not you self harm. Don't keep sharp objects on your table, and don't put razors in a close drawer or cupboard. If you do not yet feel able to throw out your tools, try to delay getting to them by keeping them wrapped up tightly and high up on hard-to-reach shelves, and try to distract yourself when you get the urge.

6 - Identify the triggers that make you feel like cutting. The moment you have the urge to harm yourself, stop and think of what has just occurred. Remember it and try to avoid these situations. For example, if you've just had an argument with somebody close to you, and are having the urge to self-harm, stop and ask yourself what's making you feel this way: "I feel like harming myself because I've just had an argument with somebody I love, and it's making me feel really bad." Determine what in particular makes this situation trigger off negative emotions: a certain feeling, or maybe an action? Work on reducing this issue until you have it under control or completely diminished.

7 - If you need to hurt yourself, do it in a controlled and less harmful way. A good idea is to wear a rubber band around your wrist. Every time you want to cut, snap the rubber band against your wrist instead. You can also draw on your wrist with red pen, or rub an ice cube on your wrist. Although all of these cause some immediate pain, it is much milder and much less dangerous. Another option, which is good for people who are allergic to latex, would be to grab a handful of ice cubes and hold them for a minute or two until your hands hurt and then let go of them. Screaming at the top of your lungs into a pillow might help, as well.

8 - Find safer ways to express your emotions. Replace the time you would usually spend self-harming with other activities that allow you to explore your feelings without hurting yourself. Here are some suggestions:

Learn or practice a musical instrument.
Draw, paint, sculpt, or participate in another craft.
Exercise. Try running, strength training, kickboxing, or a martial art.
Listen to positive music. Put together a playlist of upbeat songs that make you feel happy, and make it your go-to activity when you're sad.
Start keeping a diary or a journal.
Write fictional pieces, such as poetry, short stories, songs, and chapter books.

9 - Volunteer, or nurture something else. If introspection isn't making you feel better, turn your focus outward to your community, a pet, or anything else that could use your help. Volunteer at your local shelter or hospital, or donate your time to a family member or neighbor in need. Alternatively, you could direct your energy to caring for something that is dependent on you for survival, such as a pet or garden. These activities can help you feel productive and dependable, and make you notice that you do matter.

10 - Try to stop self-harming episodes before they begin. As soon as you feel the urge to harm yourself, take a deep breath, fold your arms, close your eyes and relax. Tell yourself that you are not going to self harm. Get away from any objects you may use to harm yourself so it's not as easy to break your resolution. If possible, lie down somewhere. Stay like this until the urge goes, then quickly phone a help line or use another means of getting help.

11 - Speak out loud about what is causing you so much pain. Talk about it - even to yourself, in the privacy of your bedroom: even yelling to yourself to release the tension inside of you - but do not hurt yourself at all. Talking out loud in clear, understandable words will make your situation clearer and more easy to resolve.

12 - Help yourself by imagining how you are able to be like a best friend. As if a friend was just about to harm herself, what would you say to stop your good friend? How would you distract them, how would you support them and get them to stop? Apply these answers to yourself.

13 - Love yourself. If you hate yourself there's a good chance you want to hurt yourself when you feel bad. No matter what anyone else tells or or what you think they think about you, you should love yourself. When you love someone, you don't hurt them.

Make a list of the things you like about yourself, or compliments people have paid you in the past. Refer to it often when you're feeling worthless or sad, and read it aloud to yourself.

14 - Stay positive. Remember: this will get better. Recovering from any addiction or self-destructive behavior takes patience and persistence, but you can do it. Reward yourself for your progress, and don't dwell on setbacks - they are only temporary. As long as you're moving forward and continuing to heal, you're on the right path.

http://www.wikihow.com/Stop-Cutting-Yourself
 
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I hope the kids realize that--Blanket may be too young yet to fully understand--but Prince & Paris must know.



And, the really scary part of Katherine is that she is a puppet for her own kids. THEY (Randy, esp) are the ones likely "pulling the strings" on these shady deals using Michael's kids to generate money for themselves. Evil imo.



That's what's so upsetting to me. Paris was having serious enough trouble months ago that it required a visit to UCLA--not a private doctor--but a hospital. So, she's been depressed/cutting for some time and despite her fragile, suicidal condition, Katherine et al went ahead with the trial, likely ignored follow up instructions for the care/treatment of Paris (common practice after hospital visit) and didn't give her the attention she needed to the point of her attempting suicide. If Katherine couldn't handle what she knew to be a serious and life-threatening situation with Paris, she should have said so and made sure someone else stepped in, or Paris was hospitalized for treatment. Instead, she concentrated on the trial and left her depressed granddaughter to fend for herself, almost succeeding in taking her own life. This level of neglect from a grandmother toward her son's beloved daughter is shameful and disgraceful. imo

I agree with you that there were plenty of warning signs that were ignored. Paris even told Oprah in the 2nd interview she was being bullied at school (Buckley) and online. That interview was June 12, 2012--one YEAR ago--and yet she stayed at the school. She is artistic and creative and should have been in a special school that fostered creative expression. She told Oprah that MJ took her to art museums and I read that Paris encouraged MJ to go to school to study art history and maybe take art classes himself--at least it was discussed.

IMO KJ and Joe are really show biz managers and that's what they did with their own children and that's what they think parenting is--being a manager. Since neither one ever learned how to parent their own kids, how can KJ suddenly be a good grandparent/guardian?

There is something so untrue about this dichotomy between KJ (perfection, matriarch, religious) anf Joe (abuser, promiscuous, not-religious) almost like a saint/devil dichotomy. Yet they have a lot in common and this good-evil split is not an accurate way to see them. They were both unified in the exploitation of their own kids (and MJ was the golden goose) and they are or were both unified in the exploitation of PPB. Perhaps they were truly ignorant and didn't see anything wrong with it, but it is hard now to teach them new parenting techniques, even if thy saw the need for it. In the first Oprah interview in 2010, they both defended 'whipping' their kids!!!!
 
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I agree with you that there were plenty of warning signs that were ignored. Paris even told Oprah in the 2nd interview she was being bullied at school (Buckley) and online. That interview was June 12, 2012--one YEAR ago--and yet she stayed at the school. She is artistic and creative and should have been in a special school that fostered creative expression. She told Oprah that MJ took her to art museums and I read that Paris encouraged MJ to go to school to study art history and maybe take art classes himself--at least it was discussed.

IMO KJ and Joe are really show biz managers and that's what they did with their own children and that's what they think parenting is--being a manager. Since neither one ever learned how to parent their own kids, how can KJ suddenly be a good grandparent/guardian?

There is something so untrue about this dichotomy between KJ (perfection, matriarch, religious) anf Joe (abuser, promiscuous, not-religious) almost like a saint/devil dichotomy. Yet they have a lot in common and this good-evil split is not an accurate way to see them. They were both unified in the exploitation of their own kids (and MJ was the golden goose) and they are or were both unified in the exploitation of PPB. Perhaps they were truly ignorant and didn't see anything wrong with it, but it is hard now to teach them new parenting techniques, even if thy saw the need for it. In the first Oprah interview in 2010, they both defended 'whipping' their kids!!!!

I think you make an excellent point re/Katherine's style of parenting--I totally agree. I think she looks at Michael's kids as she did her own and "manages" them that way. It's all she knows. But, I also have to say, it doesn't excuse her from what I think is negligence in dealing with Paris' life-threatening health issue. That's where she is way off the rails or in denial or something. But, something is missing there and if she can't provide that nurturing, then I hope she can own up to that and do what's best for Paris and give up custody.
 
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imo the kids broke the golden rule of the jackson family. sweep everything under the rug and lie to keep family business out of the spotlight so they can keep pushing the fake family image of unity. the kids blew that out of the water during granny napping and that has just made some in the family resent the kids even more than they did before.

nothing will change if pj goes back to the family. nothing has changed in that family for 50 years it wont start now. a sense of entitlement and brushing things under the rug for the sake of image are ingrained in every generation in that family and the children will continue to be exploited for the rest of the family aslong as theres a need. if the family win their blood money then maybe the kids will be totally ignored as there will be no need to exploit them in order to pay the families bills.whether that will make things worse who knows

Agree so much--good point, elusive. And it was Paris who was the most outspoken and she even said 'I will make whoever did this pay!' wow! She was very outfront and that's what got her targeted more than Prince. I just hope Prince will stand by his sister and speak up for her, support and protect her. The thing about her going to a clinic away from him has the downside that he will not be in her life as much, so who does she have or will she have in her corner?? That's why Debbie and Diana Ross have to step up and really do their best here b/c KJ is useless!
 
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