Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Unbelievable, Safe**** claims he was taken to Euro Disney in 1988, but it wasn't opened until 1992. A comment in that tweet about how their story changed so many times.

Each day it seems we get more inconsistencies and flat out lies added to these two assholes. Please, PLEASE let is all truly, properly backfire. Not just only tweets, let these guys fall flat on their face.

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

How was LN presented in dutch tv?
With voice overs or subtitles?

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

Unbelievable, Safe**** claims he was taken to Euro Disney in 1988, but it wasn't opened until 1992. A comment in that tweet about how their story changed so many times.

Each day it seems we get more inconsistencies and flat out lies added to these two assholes. Please, PLEASE let is all truly, properly backfire. Not just only tweets, let these guys fall flat on their face.

Interesting. Experts should start to compare the things wade and james say in their lawsits, LN and in their interviews to point out the differences!
I have already start a thread for this a few days ago in the News section.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Have to say, I agree...we are offended far to easily, let's educate them with facts instead, but on the note of aqwsz he wasn't a very nice person and was enjoying being a c**t to us all here, for me, you be like that I will as owner/founder bypass every regulation and cut straight to kicking you out of my house.

I can't really agree with this, because we actually sent these two doubters, of which only one now has been banned tons of facts and tried to educate them on the matters. They kept choosing to ignore it all and spread their FUD instead, quite obviously trying to get more members to join in. It wasn't only aqwsz acting like a total ass either and the other insinuated that I would still defend a man if he was a abusing a child in front of me, something which this person had said earlier in the day towards all the people that actually tried to educate him/her.

And to top it all off, calling him *****. And on purpose using space bar between each letter so you could actually see it, bypassing the censor. Yes sir!

I mean....

But let's focus on what's important now and hopefully these folks with no life just stay gone.

 

[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here’s today’s motivational boost! I sent a rather lengthy email to Alicia, admittedly a bit of a distressed ramble, and she replied instantly with this reply. This is enough for me right now, they are working hard behind the scenes, I hope some justice is served soon. <a href="https://t.co/FRf81Waoe3">pic.twitter.com/FRf81Waoe3</a></p>&mdash; Lucy (@kjngofpops) <a href="https://twitter.com/kjngofpops/status/1103736668257947648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">7. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This will be interesting... I just did 1st in-person interview since <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeveland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeveland</a> with Michael Jackson’s niece <a href="https://twitter.com/BJackson82?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BJackson82</a> who dated Wade Robson through his entire teenage years. She explained why she knows he is NOT telling the truth. Interview will be released over weekend <a href="https://t.co/0yiJqlxhXk">pic.twitter.com/0yiJqlxhXk</a></p>&mdash; John Ziegler (@Zigmanfreud) <a href="https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud/status/1104169651934650369?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The debate about truth is never pointless. The Jackson documentary makes very serious allegations. Those making them previously said the complete opposite &amp; are now suing his estate for 100s of millions. The allegations should be properly challenged/investigated. Truth matters. <a href="https://t.co/v7SUVJz0fp">https://t.co/v7SUVJz0fp</a></p>&mdash; Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) <a href="https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1104316667587411969?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">9. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I spoke to ABC journalist <a href="https://twitter.com/paulwdonoughue?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@paulwdonoughue</a> earlier this week about <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> and the future of Michael Jackson's artistic legacy. Check out the article here: <a href="https://t.co/w2fFZZYVKT">https://t.co/w2fFZZYVKT</a></p>&mdash; Damien Shields (@damienshields) <a href="https://twitter.com/damienshields/status/1104264828657393666?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">9. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">''When children see Michael Jackson, they see a human being. When adults see him they see money'' - Phil Collins</p>&mdash; TJ Jackson (@tjjackson) <a href="https://twitter.com/tjjackson/status/1104149854459125761?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/ParisHilton?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ParisHilton</a> about playing MJ music in her DJ sets: “Michael Jackson is an icon, he’s my family” <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Mjinnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Mjinnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFam</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://t.co/5ANDwABwRA">pic.twitter.com/5ANDwABwRA</a></p>&mdash; MJJGermany™ &#127465;&#127466; (@mjj_germany) <a href="https://twitter.com/mjj_germany/status/1104324566996975616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">9. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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[AG5050]

Channel 4 showed an edited version?

I watched it live on Channel 4 and I don’t re-call seeing the scene the scene they mention.

I don’t know if more was edited, each section was 2 hours with adverts/commercial breaks here. Is that the same on HBO or was it 2 hours non stop?

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Does anyone here know if there's a MJ day planned for The Netherlands this year? Years ago I went to several of them but then it died down a little for us. Maybe this isn't the thread to ask this.

 

[MJRemixed]

I’m reading comments on twitter saying the doc has been edited and about 45mins have been cut out from the original shown first in the US. can anyone confirm this and make a video of the deleted parts? I’m assuming the cut parts are where their stories are conflicting and do have been removed since people have been dissecting and researching their “claims”.

 

[AG5050]

I’m reading comments on twitter saying the doc has been edited and about 45mins have been cut out from the original shown first in the US. can anyone confirm this and make a video of the deleted parts? I’m assuming the cut parts are where their stories are conflicting and do have been removed since people have been dissecting and researching their “claims”.

I doubt there’s anything to this to be honest. HBO is is a premium channel in the US right. So each 2 hour part airs uninterrupted with a run time of 2 hours?
Most of the international networks broadcasting have ad/commercial breaks, so they have to edit the length of the doc down to allow it to fit into the 2 hour time slot. It’s standard practice and they do it with everything.

 

[MJ Smarti]

 

[TheChosenOne]

It would be great if people could give videos that they post some sort of context, so that we can know what to expect.

is the video above negative or positive (because I am not interested in putting toxic nonsense into my system)?

 

[WildStyle]

Unbelievable, Safe**** claims he was taken to Euro Disney in 1988, but it wasn't opened until 1992. A comment in that tweet about how their story changed so many times.

Each day it seems we get more inconsistencies and flat out lies added to these two assholes. Please, PLEASE let is all truly, properly backfire. Not just only tweets, let these guys fall flat on their face.

Where does Safechuck say he was taken to Euro Disney? In his first complaint he says he was taken to Disney World in Florida.

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

Oh noool! I won't listen to this greedy idiot Jacobshagen!
The estate should shut him up with contacting his personal doctors!
We need the King Jordan interview, the German interview with Jacobshagen and parts of his book "Will you be my friend" on youtube were he said that nothing ever happened!
I remember there were also some sozial media posts were he said the same.
I think the schreiter family knows him and can help to expose him.
https://schleiter-family.com/?fbclid=IwAR0uQRVHZLgoMe3M4TVoJFp10tjdQ5vECEQb-YCvM6Qe0xXP-K1mMMvazis

 

[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s okay we have the original they foolishly released with all the blatant lies and mistakes. They will be exposed soon. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> is a a Fraud. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJJInnocent</a> <a href="https://t.co/SeulFMWtBO">https://t.co/SeulFMWtBO</a></p>&mdash; TJ Jackson (@tjjackson) <a href="https://twitter.com/tjjackson/status/1104220241142341632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">9. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So only 424,000 people tuned in to watch Leaving Neverland in Australia last night. Beat by Better Homes and Gardens and followed close behind by Gardening Australia, which for once wasn’t the most boring show on T.V. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJfam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJfam</a> <a href="https://t.co/t4R0iC8qNN">pic.twitter.com/t4R0iC8qNN</a></p>&mdash; AJ (@_ajh94) <a href="https://twitter.com/_ajh94/status/1104223154178744320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">9. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">More people in Wades life NOT believing his story. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://t.co/hxr3x7u0F2">pic.twitter.com/hxr3x7u0F2</a></p>&mdash; Jen-MichaelsArmy (@Jennife11921080) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jennife11921080/status/1104198893003292672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">9. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Michael Jackson’s most loyal defenders still support him after 'Leaving Neverland' - here's why <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://t.co/uWjm5QmVAp">https://t.co/uWjm5QmVAp</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/USATODAY?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@usatoday</a></p>&mdash; Leaving Neverland Facts (@NeverlandFacts) <a href="https://twitter.com/NeverlandFacts/status/1104201986734403584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">9. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">. I spent a lot of alone time with MJ and participated in many of the activites the documentary spins as proof of abuse. I've had serious discussions with my siblings and none of us recall being abused by MJ or feeling unsafe or seeing anything of that nature.</p>&mdash; Mark Lester (@MarkalesterMark) <a href="https://twitter.com/MarkalesterMark/status/1103994143024599040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Michael Jackson is the world's richest dead celebrity—and his empire doesn't look like it will suffer much from &quot;Leaving Neverland&quot; fallout <a href="https://t.co/71IsNZHT8U">https://t.co/71IsNZHT8U</a> <a href="https://t.co/gKqAHSsctm">pic.twitter.com/gKqAHSsctm</a></p>&mdash; Forbes (@Forbes) <a href="https://twitter.com/Forbes/status/1104041589242916864?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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[TheChosenOne]

It is interesting that that would be posted and the poster would just disappear.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Where does Safechuck say he was taken to Euro Disney? In his first complaint he says he was taken to Disney World in Florida.

It was in that tweet. One person says that Safe**** claimed he went to Euro Disney. Maybe this poster mixed them up, euro and Disney world?

 

[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I was hired by Michael Jackson's friend and manager of his Neverland Amusement Park to write a tribute to MJ. He says those two goofballs were two of the worst during that era. The lies are outrageous and there is zero evidence...just hearsay.</p>&mdash; Lori A. Armstrong (@loriwrites1) <a href="https://twitter.com/loriwrites1/status/1104083590944481281?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/rolandsmartin?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@rolandsmartin</a> show on the <a href="https://twitter.com/FBI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FBI</a> investigations of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> from 1992 to 2005 that <a href="https://twitter.com/danreed1000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DanReed1000</a> conveniently left out of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a>. &quot;Trust and believe, if there was something there to be found, they would have moved on it....and it would have leaked.&quot; <a href="https://t.co/5J9XwYJ5Tt">pic.twitter.com/5J9XwYJ5Tt</a></p>&mdash; Leaving Neverland Facts (@NeverlandFacts) <a href="https://twitter.com/NeverlandFacts/status/1103777154825781248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">7. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mo'Nique Blasts Oprah For &quot;After Neverland&quot; Interviews: &quot;Who Does That?&quot; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://t.co/u9kq0YZy8M">https://t.co/u9kq0YZy8M</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/HotNewHipHop?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@HotNewHipHop</a></p>&mdash; Leaving Neverland Facts (@NeverlandFacts) <a href="https://twitter.com/NeverlandFacts/status/1104202693231357952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">9. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Billboard alongside A4 Highway close to Schiphol airport/Hoofddorp Mcdonalds. ITS A FACT Y’ALL. WE DID IT. Credits to Mark Wittenberg. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/mjinnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#mjinnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/leavingneverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#leavingneverland</a> <a href="https://t.co/zHEO7XVLrF">pic.twitter.com/zHEO7XVLrF</a></p>&mdash; @DoggoneIover (@MJGifs) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJGifs/status/1104128932293627904?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Media: stop listening to Michael jackson<br><br>Me: <a href="https://t.co/6gcfE2BIF9">pic.twitter.com/6gcfE2BIF9</a></p>&mdash; GabPassonen (@awake_gab) <a href="https://twitter.com/awake_gab/status/1103935481081782274?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFam</a> iTunes Charts! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> albums CLIMBING !!! <a href="https://twitter.com/FallAgainMJ?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FallAgainMJ</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/DespicableDrew?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DespicableDrew</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/appleseed120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@appleseed120</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/roboemjay?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@roboemjay</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/NeverlandFacts?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NeverlandFacts</a> RT the fam needs to see what we are doing is working &#128077;&#128077;&#128077;&#10084;&#65039;&#10084;&#65039;&#10084;&#65039;&#128591;&#128591;&#128591; <a href="https://t.co/fjlu0eu4uf">pic.twitter.com/fjlu0eu4uf</a></p>&mdash; Michael Jackson - King &#10084;&#65039; (@ijcsly_mj) <a href="https://twitter.com/ijcsly_mj/status/1104142926496579584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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[AG5050]

I noticed Number Ones in the top 50 and Essential & HIStory in the top 100 in the UK iTunes Charts yesterday.

Edit: Just checked again. Number Ones now at 23!
Essential & HIStory have dropped though.

 

[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The media:<br>&quot;MuTE mIChAel jAcKSon!!!&quot;<br><br>ME:<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://t.co/8ULiADew17">pic.twitter.com/8ULiADew17</a></p>&mdash; ithl123 (@ithl123) <a href="https://twitter.com/ithl123/status/1104053781703077888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So <a href="https://twitter.com/damienshields?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DamienShields</a> &amp; I just wrapped a 2 hour interview with Bill ‘<a href="https://twitter.com/MJBODYGUARDS?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MJBodyguards</a>’ Whitfield. We went in deep on Bill’s role as Head of Security, Michael the father, Michael the musician, the REAL Michael. Thoroughly enjoyed our chat. It’ll be one of our first Season 5 episodes. J.</p>&mdash; The MJCast (@TheMJCast) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheMJCast/status/1104269485022765057?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">9. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I wonder how much money <a href="https://twitter.com/danreed1000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@danreed1000</a> has made from his Jackson documentary?</p>&mdash; Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) <a href="https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1104136422313861122?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I will always stand up for what I believe &amp; after over 20 years of research, I believe that <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@michaeljackson</a> is INNOCENT. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFam</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeveland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeveland</a> <a href="https://t.co/0VsVA4NCzN">pic.twitter.com/0VsVA4NCzN</a></p>&mdash; Paul Dwyer (@PauliDee) <a href="https://twitter.com/PauliDee/status/1104338940150996993?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">9. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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[AG5050]

They really do just write what they want don't they. This is the UK iTunes chart however. Anyone know if he's charting anywhere in the US?

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Good lord there are some dumb, brainless people that I never want to meet out there. This guy just now on Twitter said to the Dutch guy who was very proud of the billboard that he did nothing but support a pedophile. That there were tons of victims including a make a wish child.

These ****s really just parrot the tabloids eh? My wish is that all tabloids would be banned and if you make one it's a criminal offense.

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

Can someone with twitter please send Karen Fay the three pictures with MJ and James we discuss yesterday and ask her if she knows that James were with MJ on the two occasions?

Moonwalker Speed Demonset and the Award Show. She also maybe can tell us who the woman in MJs arm is and if the pictures are fotoshoped cause she maybe knew the original ones.

I mean when James was on the Moonwalkerset with MJ he would mention it specifically and highlighted it in the Doc, but when the fotos are manipulated he maybe didn't know that the original photos with MJ were shoot on moonwalker set.

 

[dam2040]

Surprised to see HIStory do so well in the UK. Glad though!

 

[AG5050]

Surprised to see HIStory do so well in the UK. Glad though!

I think it’s charting due to disc 1 and people see it as a greatest hits package. Average joe probably doesn’t even realise disc 2 was a new studio album, they’re just seeing the track list on disc 1.

 

[kai]

:O

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

About this pic. I do think it is fake. Look at Shafechuck's hand. It seems odd and not comfortable for him to put on Michael's shoulder like that at all. Usually ppl hold it around the waist if they are so small. Also look at their hairlines as well. Hair is the most difficult to cut off. It looks blurred where the fair touched Michael.

James head is to big for me compared to MJs and the translations between them sems to be man-made.
Unhealthy armholding from James.

then its this one...

ok. two photos from the same place. hm...

Contact between the inner legs and arms seames to be not normal in the first picture.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

:O

Wait wait wait, who's that lawyer? Oh man, if that's the, please let that get out and into the MSM. PLEASE.

 

[MJInnocent]

Wait wait wait, who's that lawyer? Oh man, if that's the, please let that get out and into the MSM. PLEASE.

That was mentioned here the other day.
We need it confirmed one way or the other.
This could be massive.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

It had been so long since I listened to MJ's music, because I am a very not frequent music listener. Listened to Tabloid Junkie and goddamn son, I got shivers all over when Mike goes "Just because you read it in a magazine..." and even almost got slightly emotional. That must be the anger, sadness and frustration that I hear in the man's voice and I feel the exact same after so many years.

 

[john13th]

James head is to big for me compared to MJs and the translations between them sems to be man-made.
Unhealthy armholding from James.

Yeah there is something strange with that photo that I keep focusing on all the time. It is a too sharp line of transition between Michaels red jacket and Jimmys head and arm there. That line goes to straight without any shadow contour to it. And the jacket is completely red, it eliminate any signs of those lapels that you can otherwise see on the other photos of him in the same event.