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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

I think the problem is we find out more new information on unreleased almost all the time lately, I remember back in the day we'd wait to hear a new nugget of information every nowand then, honestly I think that was more exciting.

I still remember the excitement of hearing what Don't Be Messin' Round sounds like after years of speculation. We don't really have that anymore

Anyway it appears if you're out of the loop for a couple of weeks, what was true then is proven to be false now or vice versa.
 
ChanceToDance said:
It's 50/50, a lot of the titles there don't exist and we don't have info if they were recorded or not. Like A Baby Smiles was only ever reworked into a poem. I Am Your Joy, Spice Of Life, Pyramid Girl aren't real. Neverland Landing is from 1983 and not 1989. MJ's version of Alright Now was recorded in 1985 and so on.
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how is spice of life not real? (unless im confusing it for another song)
 
ChanceToDance said:
It's 50/50, a lot of the titles there don't exist and we don't have info if they were recorded or not. Like A Baby Smiles was only ever reworked into a poem. I Am Your Joy, Spice Of Life, Pyramid Girl aren't real. Neverland Landing is from 1983 and not 1989. MJ's version of Alright Now was recorded in 1985 and so on.
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If you wanna dm me to help me revise or go over my list that would be really helpful
 
SeriousFX said:
Can you give me a list, so I can change the document for the better?
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Sure! Off the top of my head:
  • “Apocalypse Now” is from the Invincible sessions, not the Bad sessions.
  • The Snoop Dogg collaboration is “I Have This Dream” from 2005.
  • “Angel” and “Do You Love Me” don’t exist.
  • “Jungle” and “Jungle City” are the same song, and are sourced from the Invincible sessions.
  • “Photographs” is an original instrumental. As far as I’ve seen, there’s been nothing to indicate that a second song with the same title exists, much less a cover. It’s likely just a secondary version/registration.
  • “Lovin’ You” was a Brad Buxer demo from circa 2003 that MJ never recorded. It shouldn’t be in the “final sessions” area.
  • “I Love You More” was likely from the Invincible sessions, given that it was written by Eric Kirkland, who to my knowledge was only present in the late 1990s/early 2000s.
  • There are numerous song titles that are assigned to a specific era/album despite no existing confirmation. Nearly everything named in MJ’s 1993 deposition has yet to be assigned to a specific era.
  • Several song titles are, to my understanding, little more than unconfirmed rumors.
  • Caution should be taken with anything from the US Copyright Office; there are numerous songwriters named Michael Jackson, and some of their songs pop up when you search his name. I’ve found that the only ones I can be certain about are those registered by/with Mijac Music.
 
AlwaysThere said:
Sure! Off the top of my head:
  • “Apocalypse Now” is from the Invincible sessions, not the Bad sessions.
  • The Snoop Dogg collaboration is “I Have This Dream” from 2005.
  • “Angel” and “Do You Love Me” don’t exist.
  • “Jungle” and “Jungle City” are the same song, and are sourced from the Invincible sessions.
  • “Photographs” is an original instrumental. As far as I’ve seen, there’s been nothing to indicate that a second song with the same title exists, much less a cover. It’s likely just a secondary version/registration.
  • “Lovin’ You” was a Brad Buxer demo from circa 2003 that MJ never recorded. It shouldn’t be in the “final sessions” area.
  • “I Love You More” was likely from the Invincible sessions, given that it was written by Eric Kirkland, who to my knowledge was only present in the late 1990s/early 2000s.
  • There are numerous song titles that are assigned to a specific era/album despite no existing confirmation. Nearly everything named in MJ’s 1993 deposition has yet to be assigned to a specific era.
  • Several song titles are, to my understanding, little more than unconfirmed rumors.
  • Caution should be taken with anything from the US Copyright Office; there are numerous songwriters named Michael Jackson, and some of their songs pop up when you search his name. I’ve found that the only ones I can be certain about are those registered by/with Mijac Music.
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Thank you for posting. I've just made edits to remove the more glaring issues. On the subject of the eighth and ninth point, I'll stand by and wait until they're officially confirmed by either the Estate or whoever has knowledge of MJ's vault.
 
AlwaysThere said:
Sure! Off the top of my head:
  • “Apocalypse Now” is from the Invincible sessions, not the Bad sessions.
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Actually Apocalypse Now is a song from Bad 🤓
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ChanceToDance said:
It's 50/50, a lot of the titles there don't exist and we don't have info if they were recorded or not. Like A Baby Smiles was only ever reworked into a poem. I Am Your Joy, Spice Of Life, Pyramid Girl aren't real. Neverland Landing is from 1983 and not 1989. MJ's version of Alright Now was recorded in 1985 and so on.
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Spice of Life was written by Rod for possible inclusion on Thriller but no proof that Michael recorded it

Alright Now was recorded 1983/84 per John Barnes
 
BlackAnon said:
Spice of Life was written by Rod for possible inclusion on Thriller but no proof that Michael recorded it
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That's what I mean, a version with MJ doesn't exist.
BlackAnon said:
Alright Now was recorded 1983/84 per John Barnes
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John Barnes posted on the MJArchives Facebook group that the song was recorded in 1985.
 
I went back to the snippet Korgnex posted of Family Thing and he pinned a comment asking if it's Bryan Loren's version so I guess that it's confirmation that it is indeed

I'm sorry but, the more Bryan Loren songs get leaked the more I see why he got replaced with Teddy Riley, most of his songs are garbage. There are a few gems from his sessions (like Serious Effect, Man In Black and To Satisfy You) but the rest of his songs are either subpar or really awful. Don't Believe It, The Verdict, his version of Family Thing are trash and although I wouldn't call She Got It and Work That Body awful they sound pretty weak imo. It's no wonder MJ barely used any of his songs.
 
ChanceToDance said:
I went back to the snippet Korgnex posted of Family Thing and he pinned a comment asking if it's Bryan Loren's version so I guess that it's confirmation that it is indeed

I'm sorry but, the more Bryan Loren songs get leaked the more I see why he got replaced with Teddy Riley, most of his songs are garbage. There are a few gems from his sessions (like Serious Effect, Man In Black and To Satisfy You) but the rest of his songs are either subpar or really awful. Don't Believe It, The Verdict, his version of Family Thing are trash and although I wouldn't call She Got It and Work That Body awful they sound pretty weak imo. It's no wonder MJ barely used any of his songs.
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I'm not even sure how they got connected in the first place. I really don't know any Loren productions off hand prior to him working with MJ.

Teddy Riley already had a bunch of hits prior to working with MJ. Riley's productions were just on another level compared to Loren.

Speaking of Teddy Riley, it really never gets brought up how he worked with The Jacksons on 2300 Jackson Street album prior to hooking with MJ on the Dangerous album.
 
Derek1984 said:
I'm not even sure how they got connected in the first place. I really don't know any Loren productions off hand prior to him working with MJ.

Teddy Riley already had a bunch of hits prior to working with MJ. Riley's productions were just on another level compared to Loren.

Speaking of Teddy Riley, it really never gets brought up how he worked with The Jacksons on 2300 Jackson Street album prior to hooking with MJ on the Dangerous album.
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He most likely got connected with MJ through Janet, who he'd previously worked with a year before he was hired. After all, who'd be more suited for the job of re-creating the sound of Rhythm Nation than someone who previously submitted a song for that album?
 
ChanceToDance said:
I went back to the snippet Korgnex posted of Family Thing and he pinned a comment asking if it's Bryan Loren's version so I guess that it's confirmation that it is indeed

I'm sorry but, the more Bryan Loren songs get leaked the more I see why he got replaced with Teddy Riley, most of his songs are garbage. There are a few gems from his sessions (like Serious Effect, Man In Black and To Satisfy You) but the rest of his songs are either subpar or really awful. Don't Believe It, The Verdict, his version of Family Thing are trash and although I wouldn't call She Got It and Work That Body awful they sound pretty weak imo. It's no wonder MJ barely used any of his songs.
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bruh Work That Body is a banger song but She Got It sounds really unfinished. plus i heard michael didn't even like To Satisfy You (although i love that song but still). Teddy Riley's productions imo are much more hard-hitting and modern for 1991. actually i can even imagine the sounds of Dangerous being made today. like for example Finesse by Bruno Mars (2016) sounds a LOT like remember the time, proof that the sound of Dangerous continues to weave its way into new generations. Bryan Loren on the other hand has productions that have aged with time, especially for songs like Work That Body. to me that song could've ONLY been made in 1990. 😭 plusit sounds hella similar to Do the Bartman, which Michael and Loren worked on together. a lot of them do actually
 
ChanceToDance said:
I went back to the snippet Korgnex posted of Family Thing and he pinned a comment asking if it's Bryan Loren's version so I guess that it's confirmation that it is indeed

I'm sorry but, the more Bryan Loren songs get leaked the more I see why he got replaced with Teddy Riley, most of his songs are garbage. There are a few gems from his sessions (like Serious Effect, Man In Black and To Satisfy You) but the rest of his songs are either subpar or really awful. Don't Believe It, The Verdict, his version of Family Thing are trash and although I wouldn't call She Got It and Work That Body awful they sound pretty weak imo. It's no wonder MJ barely used any of his songs.
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It's sad because I really like his instrumental work, and yet his lyrical ability leaves a lot to be desired.
 
ChanceToDance said:
That's what I mean, a version with MJ doesn't exist.

John Barnes posted on the MJArchives Facebook group that the song was recorded in 1985.
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He said Make or Break was 85 and had incomplete vocals the he mentioned Alright Now is much older than Make or Break. Someone asked him and I think he said 83 or 84 but it’s Victory
 
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