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MJ and his so called friends, he thought fame and money would spare him this fate... I wonder if he ever realized what Don King told him was true, esp. in America. At this point I am waiting to see who's next. I mean even in death he's still making headlines, smh... Honestly, I'm tired
 
sisterrhon said:
This family was biding their time and waiting their turn for a pay off, only MJ couldn't see the obvious sadly
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I always felt that the Cascios were just as bad as the Chandlers and Arvizos, they just chose to stay within MJs world as they knew they would benefit the most through their connections with him in the long run, while the other two families went for the easy cash grab route.

Sadly the common denominator is MJ, he not only allowed and encouraged such vultures into his life but gave them all such open access that he really left himself totally exposed for this kind of nonsense.

It's tiring and exhausting as fan.

Imagine if he was still around to see this repeated nonsense? I know when LN came out, everyone went on about how he wasn't around to defend himself, but all I could think was at least that saved him from another trial. The 2005 case had no legs, but still made it to trial. I really don't think MJ could have survived another allegation (personally or commercially) whether it went to court or not.
 
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MJ and his so called friends, he thought fame and money would spare him this fate... I wonder if he ever realized what Don King told him was true, esp. in America. At this point I am waiting to see who's next. I mean even in death he's still making headlines, smh... Honestly, I'm tired
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Could you kindly share what DK told him? Thanks
 
Let's keep in mind that the exact nature and details of Frank Cascio's allegation wasn't revealed yet.

Is it child sex abuse towards him only or towards one or more of his siblings? Is it something else pertaining to Michael Jackson and/or his Estate? Is it anything truthful and accurate? Is it possible for him to prove or demonstrate any of it?

Let us also keep in mind that he supported and defended Michael Jackson until 2019, in his late thirties. It's only at 40 years of age that he began threatening to go public with "damning" or "damaging" information in exchange for huge amounts of money.

What happens next? What I'd like to hear is what Frank Cascio has to say for his own defence, esp. being the author of the book My Friend Michael: an Extraordinary Friendship with an Extraordinary Man.
 
@jasmine.uddin I'm not sure that Robson and Safechuck would have made such allegations during MJ's lifetime.

As for MJ being too trusting, open, playful and generous, it may be true to a certain extent, but even Sheryl Crow ended up turning on him (in support of Leaving Neverland), claiming she felt Jackson was at the head of a child sex ring... Even though she had never witnessed anything inappropriate, had the time of her life on that breakthrough tour, and she never made any such statement during his lifetime, incl. late 1993 when the first allegations came out.


It is true that it would have been better for Michael, all things considered, to stay away from all those of kids unless outside his residence with other adults around.

It is sad that many of the people he loved so much, showered with affection and money, gifts, ended up turning on him in the most outrageous and defaming way.

I would never have betrayed Jackson—not ever! I would have been so grateful.

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May G*D protect Michael Jackson's soul and repair his reputation and legacy. Amen!
 
I have to hear from other people, there must be something about it because there are many accusers😖😡
 
Arckangel said:
@jasmine.uddin I'm not sure that Robson and Safechuck would have made such allegations during MJ's lifetime.

As for MJ being too trusting, open, playful and generous, it may be true to a certain extent, but even Sheryl Crow ended up turning on him (in support of Leaving Neverland), claiming she felt Jackson was at the head of a child sex ring... Even though she had never witnessed anything inappropriate, had the time of her life on that breakthrough tour, and she never made any such statement during his lifetime, incl. late 1993 when the first allegations came out.


It is true that it would have been better for Michael, all things considered, to stay away from all those of kids unless outside his residence with other adults around.

It is sad that many of the people he loved so much, showered with affection and money, gifts, ended up turning on him in the most outrageous and defaming way.

I would never have betrayed Jackson—not ever! I would have been so grateful.

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May G*D protect Michael Jackson's soul and repair his reputation and legacy. Amen!
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Sadly, many people like SC got taken in by LN. FC as far as I know has been silent since LN. LN was somewhat effective because the number of accusers does make MJ highly suspect to the everyday observer, in addition to MJs own unwise commentary on his relationship with children. The fact that MJ shared such unusual closeness with the families, and that they could verify this also did add credence to their false stories.

Has anyone read FCs book? This was a book I started and found too disturbing to finish. In the first chapters alone, he talks about how after befriending his family, MJ would come over to FCs house at stupid o clock in the night (past 11 o'clock I think), that he and his brother would be asleep, and he would wake up to see MJ and BB in his bedroom with his parents. That his parents would wake FC up for MJ, I was astonished and baffled by the behaviour of all the adults in that story, including MJ.

MJ never seemed to make the realisation that the innocent children he idealised would grow up to be the very adults he couldn't trust.

I loved reading the messages at the end of your post @Arckangel

I would like to think no fan would have betrayed him, and it's sad to think how all the traitors were fans at some point.
 
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@jasmine.uddin You're welcome.

Here's the Estate's "Petition to Compel Arbitration" (obtained by The Blast): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SIrpewQQBp6j2ufTIG3krsmcfOAJX61w/view

The language used strongly implies that Frank Cascio and co. are accusing Michael Jackson of sexual abuse, which is a complete about-face.


If Frank Cascio is alleging CSA, there are two possibilities...

1. He went up to the Estate and said: "I'll falsely accuse Michael Jackson of sexually abusing me if you don't give in to my demands. I want X amount of dollars..."

2. He went up to the Estate and said: "Truthfully, late Michael Jackson did sexually abuse me. I'll, however, keep quiet if you pay me X amount of dollars."

Which one is it? 🤔

The language of the petition asserts it's #1—that Frank & co. outright stated that they'd make up false allegations. But of course, guilters will assert that that's the Estate's spin.

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MJ never seemed to make the realisation that the innocent children he idealised would grow up to be the very adults he couldn't trust.
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True. Sadly, this really gives guilters (like Perez Hilton, Roxanne [@RoxStew5 on YouTube], and those posting in the Leaving Neverland subreddit) much ammunition against Jackson. Unlike the Chandler, Francia, and Arvizo cases (+ the case of the Toronto boy), we cannot assert that those adult accusers are being manipulated by their parents or other adults.

We are fans, but to Mr./Ms. Everybody (that won't do much research), that's way too many accusers for it to be false! However, what plays in Jackson's favour is the incredible length of time that passed. Frank defended Michael until his late thirties! He denounced Leaving Neverland. And the following year (at age 40!!!), he grew a "conscience" and decided that it was time to stop lying and expose the truth unless he be paid $213M?! Of course, guilters are now saying that Frank never felt comfortable defending MJ and that such an amount of dollars is due compensation for being raped.

As for the rights to a movie on the Cascios lives... I understand that the Estate paid each sibling, incl. Frank, $3.3M for it... Under duress, fearing that Frank would go live w/ such allegations? Is this correct? It's all those settlements, no matter how justified, that the guilters keep using against Michael and his Estate. And that movie was never going to be made in the end... Guilters see it as hush money to keep real sexual abuse under wraps!

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Paris removed a bunch of tattoos and seems to mainly just have black and white ones now. Likely the decision has to do with her modeling job.

She still has some MJ tattoos though despite what the guilters claim.

They are salivating at the thought on Omer jumping on the liars train. I've never seen people WANT sex abuse to have occured so badly in my life. It just proves guilters are perverts and this is about feeding their own lust. Nothing more.
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So true! Those guilters are currently having a field day, creaming their pants over it!
 
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Wait wait wait... HOLD ON is Frank "THE LEECH" Casio going after MICHAEL'S money NOW!!
I just saw this and Googled it because it is sooo freaking UNTHINKABLE or BELIEVEABLE!!
Is this FREAKNG real Frank "THE LEECH" Casio 1st the fake Michael album he got paid, Second The MJ Estate then paid him and his family $3M each and now 3rd his massive GAMBLING DEBTS!!
He is now like the other broke lowlifes that could not feed off of Michael anymore could not get a JOB or GET A LIFE in the REAL world without Michael Jackson like they should be ENTITLED to support by him in death to save their broken pathetic lives they themselves created!!
Sooo instead he decides to LIE, PURGER and THREATEN to destroy the very piggy bank they want to TAKE $200M+ from, is that right??
Apparently, they could not find a anyone in their empty world with a BIGGER PAY CHEQUE to pay for their BANRUPTCIES, GAMBLING DEBTS, FORCLOSURES and LEGAL BATTLES then Michael Jackson!!
They will never and have never been around anyone else with the Michael Money that they could EXPLOIT, EXTORT or SCAM to possibly payoff all these problems and make them go away!
They looked around at their pathetic lives and said where would they ever ever get the kind of MONEY they are truly desperate in need of to save them, and there was only 1 bank they bet on and that has always been Michael Jackson!!

I am so so enraged right now! I cannot believe in 2025 we got another FAT BLOOD SUCKING BROKE & DESTITUTE LEECH trying to crawl up to the MJ Estate for $$$ after years of pleading his innocence and the Estate limit on suing this many years later, oh oh until you have a gambling debt you could never pay for then we have a MJ BANK ACE to play whenever you can never pay your bills!!!!
I hope he rots in DEBTOR hell and this case is thrown out like the lying garbage before him!!

These Judges better see a desperate BEGGER and a cheating liar every single time leeches want to feed off his Estate when we all know there was a deadline and and limit legally to even try sue to do so with EXTORTION cases involving Michael Jackson!!
They better wake up and set a pressident that if you want MJ $$$ you will no longer be able to get in a court of law!!
GET A JOB AT WALMART BCUS THE MJ DREAM BANK IS CLOSED FOREVER PARRASITES!!
What I want to know is WHY WHY are these 3 maggots not CHARGED with lying then or now and it is ILLEGAL in a court of law and LIE they all freely admitted to LYING ON THE STAND and no one cares because it's only Michael Jackson... grrrrrrrr


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Arckangel said:
As for the rights to a movie on the Cascios lives... I understand that the Estate paid each sibling, incl. Frank, $3.3M for it... Under duress, fearing that Frank would go live w/ such allegations? Is this correct? It's all those settlements, no matter how justified, that the guilters keep using against Michael and his Estate. And that movie was never going to be made in the end... Guilters see it as hush money to keep real sexual abuse under wraps!
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I heard Charles Thomson explain this on an MJcast episode not long ago. As I understood it, the purpose of buying the rights to life stories was to prevent them from using other ways to tell their story, like how JCs uncle told JC story through his book.
But yes, it looks like yet another payoff. And that is hugely problematic.
I know when I first heard about it, even as a fan I thought to myself, what information did the Cascios have that would scare the Estate into paying off the whole family. And I am someone who believes MJ is totally innocent but logically the whole thing doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense from the Cascio angle either, but I suspect no one will notice that as much as their story fits the narrative for all the guilters.

Feels like we can never just enjoy being a fan, at every turn our fandom is tested. As soon as one false accusation dies down another rears it's ugly head. It's like that greek monster that keeps growing two new heads every time one is beheaded. It feels so overwhelming.
 
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jasmine.uddin said:
I heard Charles Thomson explain this on an MJcast episode not long ago. As I understood it, the purpose of buying the rights to life stories was to prevent them from using other ways to tell their story, like how JCs uncle told JC story through his book.
But yes, it looks like yet another payoff. And that is hugely problematic.
I know when I first heard about it, even as a fan I thought to myself, what information did the Cascios have that would scare the Estate into paying off the whole family. And I am someone who believes MJ is totally innocent but logically the whole thing doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense from the Cascio angle either, but I suspect no one will notice that as much as their story fits the narrative for all the guilters.

Feels like we can never just enjoy being a fan, at every turn out fandom is tested. As soon as one false accusation dies down another rears it's ugly head. It's like that greek monster that keeps growing two new heads every time one is beheaded. It feels so overwhelming.
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I never understand why people question the estate or MJ for paying but never question the false accusers for demanding money??

Why isn't that seen as a sign they are lying??

JC Penny's paid the arvizos even though they LIED on their security guards.

Them paying does not make what arvizos accused them of any more true.
 
jasmine.uddin said:
Has anyone read FCs book? This was a book I started and found too disturbing to finish. In the first chapters alone, he talks about how after befriending his family, MJ would come over to FCs house at stupid o clock in the night (past 11 o'clock I think), that he and his brother would be asleep, and he would wake up to see MJ and BB in his bedroom with his parents. That his parents would wake FC up for MJ, I was astonished and baffled by the behaviour of all the adults in that story, including MJ..
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i haven't read the book but to be honest I don't see anything disturbing in the examples you give..? Waking kids up to see their popular family friend is disturbing..?
 
kelley said:
I never understand why people question the estate or MJ for paying but never question the false accusers for demanding money??
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Exactly. Everytime I see people talk about MJ settling for money I can only think what about the accusers demanding money?

MJ settling at the time is understandable for many, many reasons, (trying to) settle while claiming to be sexually abused doesn't make any real sense, except.. money
 
Arckangel said:
'..We are fans, but to Mr./Ms. Everybody (that won't do much research), that's way too many accusers for it to be false!..'
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That's why I think it's important to now show the public for once and for all that most of the many, many kids who befriended Michael have only good things to say and that a lot of them were even closer to him than the accusers
 
Victorious said:
That's why I think it's important to now show the public for once and for all that most of the many, many kids who befriended Michael have only good things to say and that a lot of them were even closer to him than the accusers
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In addition, there would be a bias not to acknowledge that all of these accusers were not found credible in the first place. With Chandler's there was no indictment, with Arvizo's there was a court case that ended up in complete vindication, Wade Robson and Cascio are not credible due to their own behaviour and past history. And then there were all these flimsy accusations (from Germany, Canada) that have no merit. Showing all these accusations that have completely no merit is of relevance because it supports that MJ was a target.
 
jasmine.uddin said:
I heard Charles Thomson explain this on an MJcast episode not long ago.
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I'm waiting for the next MJ Cast episode to see what Charles has to say about the petition lodged by MJE. I've read the whole thing (34 pages!) but I don't have a legal brain and Charles is really good, imo, at explaining stuff. It's helpful to get someone else's interpretation.

jasmine.uddin said:
As I understood it, the purpose of buying the rights to life stories was to prevent them from using other ways to tell their story, like how JCs uncle told JC story through his book.
But yes, it looks like yet another payoff. And that is hugely problematic. [...]
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kelley said:
I never understand why people question the estate or MJ for paying but never question the false accusers for demanding money??

Why isn't that seen as a sign they are lying??

JC Penny's paid the arvizos even though they LIED on their security guards.

Them paying does not make what arvizos accused them of any more true.
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The double standards is frustrating. But I think both sides look questionable, and that's the issue. The payoffs can be seen as an exchange of goods for silence. We've never heard from JC after the payoff. And families that have previously defended MJ now changing their story after his death is also highly questionable.

I think sometimes it's helpful to look at things from a different angle. If this was another celebrity who had multiple accuser's and multiple pay offs, the average person would be rightfully suspicious. I totally believe that MJ is innocent but as I stated in an earlier post, it doesn't look good for MJ or the Cascios, but the Cascios version will suitably fit a narrative that is still very prevalent, however wrong.
 
Victorious said:
That's why I think it's important to now show the public for once and for all that most of the many, many kids who befriended Michael have only good things to say and that a lot of them were even closer to him than the accusers
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I totally agree that all the allegations were false, and MJ was a target. But how do you suppose we show the public this once and for all?
MJ had a very public trial where some of these individuals defended MJ, and he was rightfully cleared of the charges, but that didn't have an impact on the public's perception.
 
Victorious said:
i haven't read the book but to be honest I don't see anything disturbing in the examples you give..? Waking kids up to see their popular family friend is disturbing..?
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Maybe this is a matter of perception. I have children and when they were 4/5 years old, there's no way I would have repeatedly woken them up around midnight to guests in their bedroom. There's also no way I would be comfortable behaving this way as a guest.

I also highly doubt MJ would have allowed this behaviour with his own children.

Now, we know the Cascio family have lied about the fake songs, and there's a chance the book contains lies too. But the parts of the book I did read, I found disturbing to read as a parent.
 
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i haven't read the book but to be honest I don't see anything disturbing in the examples you give..? Waking kids up to see their popular family friend is disturbing..?
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It's very disturbing to Roxanne on YouTube. She uses a lot of psychology talk, studies on grooming, etc. to link Michael Jackson's behaviour, "pushing of boundaries" (like waking them up at midnight, taking them out of school for a concert tour) to evidence of grooming, and she also holds the parents responsible for allowing that.

(You can download her video by copying and pasting its link on this download site not to give her views. It'll load, and you'll then click on "Download.")

Link: youtube dot com/watch?v=pEdS-2mllZg

Not that her observations and opinion matter all that much, but it is important to know what arguments the guilters are using. That way, we can debate more effectively.
 
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Arckangel said:
It's very disturbing to Roxanne on YouTube. She uses a lot of psychology talk, studies on grooming, etc. to link Michael Jackson's behaviour, "pushing of boundaries" (like waking them up at midnight, taking them out of school for a concert tour) to evidence of grooming, and she also holds the parents responsible for allowing that.

(You can download her video by copying and pasting its link on this download site not to give her views. It'll load, and you'll then click on "Download.")

Link: youtube dot com/watch?v=pEdS-2mllZg

Not that her observations and opinion matter all that much, but it is important to know what arguments the guilters are using. That way, we can debate more effectively.
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Although that video is a really frustrating watch, I do appreciate your astute mindset. @Arckangel Thank you for posting and making us aware. Yeah, we have to see the other side ...I notice the comments are now filled with slander about Macaulay.. Cause that is what it is, pure slander. It's too bad these people think they know M's heart and feel that they can speak for others. Debates are fine but these people just seem to know exactly what was going on. Until someone shows blatant, fact - based ...really no getting away from it-evidence and not just heated, passionate and strong (kind of manipulative) opinions from ex- fans of the after 2009 era... then I continue to stand by Michael . and I stand by Macaulay, Macaulay has good values. I really believe Michael Jackson was framed, IMO he was always innocent and indeed another victim of the system.
 
@Gaz is it a good idea to perhaps close or (hard scrutinize) new registrations during this time? 🤔 MJJ fans have the same issue as m did , right now ...Who can and cannot be trusted. Feels that anyone can just walk into our (once again) peaceful family & possibly take vital information and spread that as hateful slander ?
 
jasmine.uddin said:
The double standards is frustrating. But I think both sides look questionable, and that's the issue. The payoffs can be seen as an exchange of goods for silence. We've never heard from JC after the payoff. And families that have previously defended MJ now changing their story after his death is also highly questionable.

I think sometimes it's helpful to look at things from a different angle. If this was another celebrity who had multiple accuser's and multiple pay offs, the average person would be rightfully suspicious. I totally believe that MJ is innocent but as I stated in an earlier post, it doesn't look good for MJ or the Cascios, but the Cascios version will suitably fit a narrative that is still very prevalent, however wrong.
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i disagree

Michael did not pay the cascios. His estate did for purely business reasons.

They refused to pay of Wade and James when they had the chance which speaks volumes of their certainty in Michael innocent.

Nothing about the cascios behavior indicates that they were ever abused. You should read Franks book. Their behavior only indicates that they decided to extort Michael's estate for money. And after the extortion they continued to pretend they were pro MJ capitalize off of Michael even more.

Franks brother named his daughter Victoria Michael. (Similar to one of jordans relatives naming their child Jackson)

Frank was still promoting his book that defends MJ in 2022, 3 years after her threatened the estate.

Giving them any credibility to make whatever claims they try to make now is absurd.

And please stop bringing up other celebrities.

No other celebrities went though what Michael went through.

In fact If it was any other celebrity , especially a white rock legend and some black men were doing what Wade Jame and the Cascios are doing, the media would never legitimize it and would call them out for being the extortioners they are.

And even if he were an industry approved black celeb like Jay z, they wouldn't have legitimized it.

Look how the media dug into Jay z's accusers and exposed her lies to the public.

If the same had been done to the Chandlers in 1993 or to Wade and James after LN. We wouldn't be in this mess with the Cascios.
 
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jasmine.uddin said:
Maybe this is a matter of perception. I have children and when they were 4/5 years old, there's no way I would have repeatedly woken them up around midnight to guests in their bedroom. There's also no way I would be comfortable behaving this way as a guest.

I also highly doubt MJ would have allowed this behaviour with his own children.

Now, we know the Cascio family have lied about the fake songs, and there's a chance the book contains lies too. But the parts of the book I did read, I found disturbing to read as a parent.
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Again I haven't read the book so I can't really say too much.. but I have children too and I don't wake 'em up ever but I can definitely imagine waking them up for Michael Jackson: I would have demanded it myself from my parents in the 80s!

He was a superstar, a family friend and very, very busy. So if he (with his insomnia lifestyle) arrives in the middle of the night you want to be woken up right?
 
Arckangel said:
It's very disturbing to Roxanne on YouTube. She uses a lot of psychology talk, studies on grooming, etc. to link Michael Jackson's behaviour, "pushing of boundaries" (like waking them up at midnight, taking them out of school for a concert tour) to evidence of grooming, and she also holds the parents responsible for allowing that.

(You can download her video by copying and pasting its link on this download site not to give her views. It'll load, and you'll then click on "Download.")

Link: youtube dot com/watch?v=pEdS-2mllZg

Not that her observations and opinion matter all that much, but it is important to know what arguments the guilters are using. That way, we can debate more effectively.
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In this case @jasmine.uddin was talking about the Cascio's waking their kids up to see Michael, not Michael waking them up
 
wendijane said:
Feels that anyone can just walk into our (once again) peaceful family & possibly take vital information and spread that as hateful slander ?
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Hi Wendi, I am puzzled by this comment. All those threads are public, you are sure aware? I have been reading around here for months before registering. And yes, this is a place full of real good information that I came to appreciate!
(I should maybe specify that I mean information that made me grow a bigger fan)
 
squirrelinthetree said:
Hi Wendi, I am puzzled by this comment. All those threads are public, you are sure aware? I have been reading around here for months before registering. And yes, this is a place full of real good information that I came to appreciate!
(I should maybe specify that I mean information that made me grow a bigger fan)
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It might be beneficial to quote all of the post then you might not be so puzzled. (Like @kelley says, we have many guilters amongst us and last month was really quite vile. Sometimes, unfortunately ..they can overrun this place. Hopefully we can take steps to stop this.. )
Anyway ... Am glad you find good information here! Welcome to MJJC. :)
 
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