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Would the Invincible album have been more successful if it was released in the year 2000?

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I know this sounds random but I was thinking: the songs of the Invincible album had futuristic, robotic vibes in general (Invincible, Threatened, 2000 Watts). The music climate of the year 2000 was more electronic-dance focused than 2001, which was more rap and hip-hop onwards.

Since Michael Jacksons was working on the Invincible album from the late 1990s, would the album sold more successfully if it was released in the year 2000 due to its' electronic sound? The 90s did have a strong electronic music scene, particularly with Prodigy and DJ acts like Faithless and Gigi D'Agostino.

I think it would have been epic if a Michael Jackson album was released in the first year of the second millennium - amidst other electronic-themed music like Backstreet Boys "Millennium" album and Britney Spears' music video "Oops! I Did It Again" and Victoria Beckham's song/ music video "Out Of Your Mind".

What do you think?
 
Note that Rodney Jerkins and his team started working on the electronic/robotic songs of the 'Invincible' album in 2000.

This means that the 'Invincible' album with these songs could not have been released in 2000.

But even if the album was released with these electronic/robotic songs in 2000, it would not have sold more successfully due to the fact that in 2000 there was generally an oversaturation with such an electronic sound in the music scene.
 
The first release date we were given was 9 Nov 1999. If they'd stuck to that or soon after it's likely we would not have had many of the great songs that eventually landed on the album.
 
NO!
I'm sorry, but no. I am an honest person. 'INVINCIBLE' is not that great of an album... 6.5/10 or so. Maximum 7.
Because many of the songs have similar backing tracks, 'Invincible', 'Unbreakable', 'Heartbreaker'—they have completely identical backgrounds. Is that the only problem? 'Privacy' and '2000 Watts' are songs that continue in exactly the same way... Some Michael fans get upset and angry when I say this. But it's the truth. Yes, if the album had been released by artist X instead of Michael, it would have been amazing. But it's well below Michael's potential.
 
TurkishFan said:
NO!
I'm sorry, but no. I am an honest person. 'INVINCIBLE' is not that great of an album... Some Michael fans get upset and angry when I say this. But it's the truth.
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I think what people tend to have a problem with is not your opinion, but the sheer arrogance of claiming your subjective opinion as objective fact.

You are right that getting angry is the wrong response. The only reasonable response is to laugh in your face.
 
TurkishFan said:
'Privacy' and '2000 Watts' are songs that continue in exactly the same way... Some Michael fans get upset and angry when I say this. But it's the truth.
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You've got to accept the fact that there are people who genuinely love Privacy and 2000 watts. It's a different type of music, so it might not be for everyone, but I love that type of music, so Privacy and 2000 watts are actually among my favorites.
 
etoile 37 said:
You've got to accept the fact that there are people who genuinely love Privacy and 2000 watts. It's a different type of music, so it might not be for everyone, but I love that type of music, so Privacy and 2000 watts are actually among my favorites.
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@TurkishFan means all these songs sound very similar, and this becomes a boring experience for the listener of that album.

Even many Michael Jackson fans do not like this, for example they feel that the first three songs (of that album) sound like one very long song.
 
mj_frenzy said:
@TurkishFan means all these songs sound very similar, and this becomes a boring experience for the listener of that album.

Even many Michael Jackson fans do not like this, for example they feel that the first three songs (of that album) sound like one very long song.
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I would have to disagree, I don't think Privacy and 2000 watts sound alike or that they sound similar to any other song on the album. There are other songs on the album that do sound similar, but not those two.
 
It would have done much better with the pre Rodney songs, or the songs that didn't make the album. Especially with the whole Artist of the century/Millennium narrative to pump up promotions.

He anyways had limited audience in the US, and songs like 'Heaven can wait, break of Dawn, Butterflies' was not something that was gonna work with the European and Asian fans.
 
Peter_Pan said:
He anyways had limited audience in the US, and songs like 'Heaven can wait, break of Dawn, Butterflies' was not something that was gonna work with the European and Asian fans.
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I disagree. Are you saying R&B doesn't work in those countries? Any of those songs would've done better than "Cry".
 
Clearly yes, 1999 would have been perfect, Michael was in perfect shape and he looked good in the MJ&Friendx concerts, and imagine the Milenium-concerts would hve happen too, it would have been perfect promotion. The release-time in 2001 was the complete opposite
 
I now believe that Invincible would have been more successful with songs by the Neptunes. That would have been the sound people wanted from MJ: his familiar style with a fresh twist.
 
Invincible was never going to do that well in the USA, but just like History, which did extremely well in Europe, Invincible had that potential too if it was promoted properly.
 
I love Invincible. Butterflies, YRMW, HCW, Privacy, and Whatever Happens are some of my favorites.

It's actually picking up steam on streaming, believe it or not. Compared to his peers' albums from that time, it's actually outstreaming them. Not bad for a "major flop." I think it actually could be recertified at this point if you include YouTube streams into the total. It hasn't been updated since 2002.
 
katara said:
I love Invincible. Butterflies, YRMW, HCW, Privacy, and Whatever Happens are some of my favorites.

It's actually picking up steam on streaming, believe it or not. Compared to his peers' albums from that time, it's actually outstreaming them. Not bad for a "major flop." I think it actually could be recertified at this point if you include YouTube streams into the total. It hasn't been updated since 2002.
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It was certified 2X platinum in 2002. I know that Invincible isn't a major seller, but surely it should have sold enough to be 3X platinum soon, especially when you add all the audio and video streams.
 
katara said:
I love Invincible. Butterflies, YRMW, HCW, Privacy, and Whatever Happens are some of my favorites.

It's actually picking up steam on streaming, believe it or not. Compared to his peers' albums from that time, it's actually outstreaming them. Not bad for a "major flop." I think it actually could be recertified at this point if you include YouTube streams into the total. It hasn't been updated since 2002.
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@kxthrills (24 Nov)

"Michael Jackson’s ‘Invincible’ album has now surpassed 600 million streams on Spotify !"
 
Nite Line said:
It was certified 2X platinum in 2002. I know that Invincible isn't a major seller, but surely it should have sold enough to be 3X platinum soon, especially when you add all the audio and video streams.
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I agree. There is no way it's not 3x platinum by now. Same with Xscape; it's definitely platinum now with the success of Chicago on Spotify alone.

Very odd of the estate to not keep his certifications up to date. Dangerous and HIStory haven't been updated either since 2018 and are both at 8x platinum. It's my understanding that you have to pay to get them redone, so that may be why. Hm
 
katara said:
I agree. There is no way it's not 3x platinum by now. Same with Xscape; it's definitely platinum now with the success of Chicago on Spotify alone.

Very odd of the estate to not keep his certifications up to date. Dangerous and HIStory haven't been updated either since 2018 and are both at 8x platinum. It's my understanding that you have to pay to get them redone, so that may be why. Hm
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In the USA, you have to pay to get them updated.

Recently, Off The Wall was recertified, so hopefully, soon, other albums will also get recertified. Maybe they are waiting for the release of the biopic.
 
katara said:
Dangerous and HIStory haven't been updated either since 2018 and are both at 8x platinum.
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If the estate was willing to pay for those albums in 2018 but not Invincible, that implies the album hasn't sold much in the US since its certification was last updated in 2002. It might have not sold 3m yet.
 
Spaceship said:
If the estate was willing to pay for those albums in 2018 but not Invincible, that implies the album hasn't sold much since its certification was last updated in 2002.
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Its streaming numbers on YouTube and Spotify alone are over 1m in sales. This is all publicly available data. Xscape has also certainly crossed another 500k units as well. With the success of Chicago boosting the album. Yet the estate hasn't updated that either. No way of knowing why they haven't done it, but the units are there.
 
katara said:
Its streaming numbers on YouTube and Spotify alone are over 1m in sales. This is all publicly available data. Xscape has also certainly crossed another 500k units as well. With the success of Chicago boosting the album. Yet the estate hasn't updated that either. No way of knowing why they haven't done it, but the units are there.
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Invincible has definitely sold over 3 million units, probably even 4 million units if we add all the streams.
 
Nite Line said:
Invincible has definitely sold over 3 million units, probably even 4 million units if we add all the streams.
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It's been over 20 years. With the boost of Michael's passing at the height of iTunes, and now it doing decently on streaming, there is no way it hasn't crossed 3m by now.
 
katara said:
It's actually picking up steam on streaming, believe it or not. Compared to his peers' albums from that time, it's actually outstreaming them. Not bad for a "major flop." I think it actually could be recertified at this point if you include YouTube streams into the total. It hasn't been updated since 2002.
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Sales are sales. Streams are streams.

It's just wrong to combine them. Fake hype.
 
katara said:
It's been over 20 years. With the boost of Michael's passing at the height of iTunes, and now it doing decently on streaming, there is no way it hasn't crossed 3m by now.
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as Wikipedia btw 8-13 m copyrights.
 
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