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The Michael Jackson Chart Watch

We're deep into the era of streaming. Might as well accept it. :)

For me the cool thing about Michael's streaming figures is how good they are and how this just keeps on going in spite of ... no new album or new single, no tour boost, no real social media activity (for obvious reasons), no promo (apart from occasional new locations for MJ Musical), no new photos of him to make a PR splash. He doesn't have any of the stuff that current pop stars can use to remind everyone of what they're doing. All he has is his legacy, his back catalogue, his magic. And he's killing it. Imo. ❤️


Anyway, a few random bits from a couple of days ago:

@MJJCharts

"Michael Jackson's 'Thriller' has now spent 370 weeks on the Billboard US Vinyl Albums Chart."

also this:
"BILLBOARD CHARTS (2/2)

Vinyl Albums:
#22 - Thriller (-14) *peak: #1*"


Plus this ... :)
"UK CHARTS

Albums Top 100:
#15 - The Essential Michael Jackson (+2) *peak: #1

*Albums Streaming Top 100:
#11 - The Essential Michael Jackson (=) *peak: #7*

~ 5,000 units sold."

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Spotify albums Yesterday :

thriller ( 3,502,120)
bad ( 2,009,526)
off the wall ( 1,131,597)
xscape deluxe version ( 1,088,575)
dangerous ( 882,527)
History ( 718,426)
invincible ( 538,021)( record !!).

all credits : ( 10,877,950).
 
zinniabooklover said:
We're deep into the era of streaming. Might as well accept it.
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But it seems the labels haven't accepted it! If the industry is making claims like he "sold a million albums" when we know he did not sell that many, and we don't know if he sold half a million or 0.1 million.

Why not just say he streamed a million? Seems like Sony are the ones stuck in the past. They need to face facts that there's is no longer any such thing as an album or a single, and that people don't buy music any more.
 
@kxthrills

"Michael Jackson's most streamed daily songs on Spotify (September 4)

*5 songs over 500k
*6 songs over 400k
*11 songs over 300k
*17 songs over 200k
*23 songs over 100k

Total daily: 10,822,798

Total overall: 18,504,171,984"

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beltrano said:
last friday figures.
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@kxthrills included the date :)

"Michael Jackson's most streamed daily songs on Spotify (September 4)"

But I mostly posted bc of this 👇 data which I found interesting ...

*5 songs over 500k
*6 songs over 400k
*11 songs over 300k
*17 songs over 200k
*23 songs over 100k

Total daily: 10,822,798

Total overall: 18,504,171,984"
 
R1chard said:
Like, I'm a numbers guy, but reading through a dry list like this is boring and pointless.

I might be more curious about it if it was presented in a novel or interesting way. Example: a pie chart showing the distribution by album. A line graph showing cumulatives Vs time for each song. Differences between the different streaming platforms. The data filtered by non-singles, etc.
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Can nobody find a way to do this? I think the seasonal effect (eg Thriller, Christmas songs, ones that are only popular in the summer) would be really fascinating.

I'd love to know if Chicago is popular on Amazon, Spotify, YouTube and Apple, or just one of them.
 
R1chard said:
I'd love to know if Chicago is popular on Amazon, Spotify, YouTube and Apple, or just one of them.
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In the last two pages I've literally posted graphics showing Chicago at No.3 in Spotify monthly and daily lists. There's one post literally two posts upthread from yours. :ROFLMAO:

I post these graphics often bc I love the fact that Chicago is still doing well with its streaming figures. HCW is also in that 'daily' graphic I just posted. It's great when Michael's big hits do well online but I love it the most when an 'outlier' shows up.

R1chard said:
Can nobody find a way to do this? I think the seasonal effect (eg Thriller, Christmas songs, ones that are only popular in the summer) would be really fascinating.
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Maybe the people who post on X (or wherever) can help. @kxthrills @MJJSpotify2015 @mjchartdata @MJJCharts - those are the main ones that are still active. @BelgiumMJfan used to do stuff. Not sure if they are still around.

The @chartdata account (different account to @mjchartdata) takes data published by Billboard, the UK Official Charts and other similar sources - afaik. Presumably the other X accounts use the same sources for data. Then they post stuff. Then other people re-post their posts. At least, that's what me and Annita do. @Nite Line used to always post the data for Essentials and Number Ones, especially UK data. :)

EDIT - Maybe beltrano can help you with this? :unsure: They go into lots of detail with the data they post.
 
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youtube audio : ( Chicago)

2022 ( 9,200,000)
2023 ( 9,600,000)
2024 ( 9,900,000)
2025 ( 8,900,000) ( 8 month)

( heaven can wait)

2022 ( 5,100,000)
2023 ( 5,800,000)
2024 ( 8,300,000)
2025 ( 10,280,000) ( 8 month)

ps : tiktok buzz in 2022 keep going.
 
youtube vidéos ( september 8) More than
100,000:

Billie Jean ( 1,213,012)
beat it ( 535,209)
they don't care about us ( 519,181)
smooth criminal ( 490,480)
thriller 4k ( 328,919)
remember the time ( 303,530)
rock with you ( 259,168)
earth song ( 233,588)
don't stop t'ill you get enough ( 206,521)
heal the world ( 176,542)
bad shortened version ( 175,334)
black or white shortened version ( 173,709)
dirty diana ( 169,124)
you are not alone ( 162,817)
the way you make me feel ( 158,693)
thriller shortened version ( 157,642)
will you be there ( 150,081)
man in the mirror ( 124,227)
who is it ( 109,006)
you rock my World ( 103,417).
 
zinniabooklover said:
In the last two pages I've literally posted graphics showing Chicago at No.3 in Spotify monthly and daily lists.
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Yes, but my question was whether it was just Spotify, or the others too. For example, maybe it's only doing well because it randomly appeared on an auto-generated playlist, or was paid to be put on a particular editorial playlist. Most people aren't picking the songs they listen to.

Sales charts used to report (almost) the whole market, they weren't broken down into Virgin, Tower, HMV, Walmart etc. But with streaming there is no way to know what everybody is listening to - we only have data from each of the 5-10 platforms. So even if you take the biggest one, you're still only looking at about 1/3 of the market. Which is why these numbers don't mean as much as people think they do.

zinniabooklover said:
I post these graphics often bc I love the fact that Chicago is still doing well with its streaming figures.
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Yeah, I was intrigued too. That's why I mentioned that it would be interesting to have a list filtered by non-singles, or "deep cuts".

zinniabooklover said:
Presumably the other X accounts use the same sources for data. Then they post stuff.
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All I'm saying is that it's pointless to keep reporting that Dirty Diana had 8700 listens today and 8600 the day before that. Trends are more interesting. Reasons why it happens are more interesting. Pie charts by album are interesting. Thoughtful analysis is interesting.

Things like seasonal effects (Halloween). One-off effects (maybe a song was used on a TV ad).

But raw numbers (especially incomplete raw numbers) are just pointless. It's just regurgitating tables for the sake of it.

And above all, it's not even discussable, which is why we only have a small number of people replying to the thread.
 
R1chard said:
Yes, but my question was whether it was just Spotify, or the others too.
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Those Spotify stats I re-posted are Spotify only bc, y'know, it was a Spotify list. LOL.

R1chard said:
For example, maybe it's only doing well because it randomly appeared on an auto-generated playlist, or was paid to be put on a particular editorial playlist.
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No idea how you would get that data. I guess you would need to find a data specialist to help you out. :unsure: I'm no longer even reading the Liz Pelly book about Spotify. There is a chapter called 'This Is ... Payola?' I got as far as the paragraph where she starts to explain about Discovery Mode and it's so depressing I just stopped.

R1chard said:
Most people aren't picking the songs they listen to.
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R1chard said:
Sales charts used to report (almost) the whole market, they weren't broken down into Virgin, Tower, HMV, Walmart etc. But with streaming there is no way to know what everybody is listening to - we only have data from each of the 5-10 platforms. So even if you take the biggest one, you're still only looking at about 1/3 of the market. Which is why these numbers don't mean as much as people think they do.
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I think many people understand how the streaming thing works. Otoh, I also think a lot of people don't really care, lol.

R1chard said:
All I'm saying is that it's pointless to keep reporting that Dirty Diana had 8700 listens today and 8600 the day before that.
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My interest in this sort of data ebbs and flows. But I understand why people find it pleasing and like to post it.

R1chard said:
Trends are more interesting. Reasons why it happens are more interesting. Pie charts by album are interesting. Thoughtful analysis is interesting.
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Is anyone doing that type of data breakdown? I had a really vague idea that @BelgiumMJfan used to do something a bit different than the other data peeps but I can't seem to find them - haven't seem them online for ages, actually :( - and I might be misremembering, anyway.

musicmetricsvault.com does a graph but I'm not sure it's really what you're looking for. I think it's still far too basic for you.


R1chard said:
Things like seasonal effects (Halloween).
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Now you've confused me. Michael's Halloween thing gets tracked in minute detail. Not so much on MJJC but it does get monitored. Check out @andjustice4some on X (and presumably elsewhere online). By the end of Sept they'll be gearing up to run another Halloween Thriller Challenge in the last week of October.

R1chard said:
One-off effects (maybe a song was used on a TV ad).
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I guess that would end up trending on TikTok but would anyone actually be collecting that data?** I mean, apart from the record labels and maybe the Spotify playlist editors?

**rhetorical question :D

R1chard said:
But raw numbers (especially incomplete raw numbers) are just pointless. It's just regurgitating tables for the sake of it. [...]
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I'm stating the obvious here but ... we all do our 'Michaeling' in our own way and what makes sense or is pleasing to one person might not appeal to the next person.
 
zinniabooklover said:
Those Spotify stats I re-posted are Spotify only bc, y'know, it was a Spotify list. LOL.
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Exactly. Back in the day, people didn't care who sold records from Virgin Megastore. What people cared about was who sold the most records all together, from every store.

I guess what the world needs is somebody who compiles all the data from all the streaming platforms. Hmm, if only there was some sort of national association that had been running for 70 years...

zinniabooklover said:
No idea how you would get that data. I guess you would need to find a data specialist to help you out. :unsure: I'm no longer even reading the Liz Pelly book about Spotify. There is a chapter called 'This Is ... Payola?' I got as far as the paragraph where she starts to explain about Discovery Mode and it's so depressing I just stopped.
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That's what I mean. I'm just saying streaming numbers cannot be trusted. They're simply open to manipulation in the way that physical sales were not. Streaming numbers don't mean anything.

zinniabooklover said:
I think many people understand how the streaming thing works. Otoh, I also think a lot of people don't really care, lol.
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Well, exactly. I don't care. I don't give a shit what other people like. I don't really understand why others here care about what strangers listen to.

zinniabooklover said:
My interest in this sort of data ebbs and flows. But I understand why people find it pleasing and like to post it.
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What I'm saying is, it's better to have ONE really interesting article per week, rather than getting spammed 3 or 4 times every day with what boils down to a copy/paste of the last line from the bottom of a spreadsheet that I'm supposed to "read".

zinniabooklover said:
Is anyone doing that type of data breakdown?
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I have no idea. I've never looked. But if there was it would be better than this thread.

zinniabooklover said:
musicmetricsvault.com does a graph but I'm not sure it's really what you're looking for. I think it's still far too basic for you.
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You see - straight away I learn something. MJ's 2nd biggest city is Santiago. Interesting! Let's discuss that.

zinniabooklover said:
Now you've confused me. Michael's Halloween thing gets tracked in minute detail.
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So, most likely, if there was a graph of monthly listeners to Thriller, there's a big peak every October. But what other songs have something like this that we don't know about? There must be something buried in the data. Let's look for it.

zinniabooklover said:
I guess that would end up trending on TikTok but would anyone actually be collecting that data?
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I think we can all agree that it would be more interesting if somebody did that, instead of obsessively mashing the Refresh button every few minutes and rushing here to tell us about it. I'm just trying to help Beltrano from wasting their time with this constant flood of trivia that isn't important today and will be even less important next week. Like, I get the impression that even Beltrano isn't reading each post before he presses the Post button.

zinniabooklover said:
I'm stating the obvious here but ... we all do our 'Michaeling' in our own way and what makes sense or is pleasing to one person might not appeal to the next person.
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Its a discussion board. How are we supposed to discuss something that has no value or nothing to actually talk about?
 
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canada singles ré certified april 23-2024

don't stop t'ill you get enough ( 2x Platinum)
rock with you ( 2x Platinum)

the girl is mine ( gold)
wanna be startin' somethin' ( Platinum)
human nature ( Platinum)
pretty young thing ( 2x Platinum)
thriller ( 6x Platinum)

i just can't stop loving you ( gold)
dirty diana ( Platinum)
bad ( 2x Platinum)
man in the mirror ( 3x Platinum)
the way you make me feel ( 3x Platinum)

will you be there ( gold)
heal the world ( gold)

earth song ( gold)
they don't care about us ( Platinum)

you rock my World ( Platinum)

hold my hand ( Platinum)

love never felt so good ( 2x Platinum)
 
Spotify albums increase for off the wall,
dangerous, History, xscape deluxe version
and invincible !!!

invincible ( 538,651)( record).
 
Spotify albums :

Big increase for xscape deluxe version,dangerous, History and invincible !!

dangerous : 12 days in a row with more than
800,000

History : 13 days in a row with more than
650,000

xscape deluxe version : 10 days in a row with more than 1 million

invincible : 11 days in a row with more than
500,000

all credits : 13 days in a row with more than
10,2 million.
 
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