Michael jackson and Jeffrey Epstein

Is everyone who met P.Diddy once or twice also guilty of shit?

You can’t know everyone’s dark secrets…
If we go by that logic everyone is guilty of shit because nearly every celebrity met some
other celebrity that turned out to be a creep….

So apparently it looks like Trump in the redacted Epstein files, basically just tried to pull a Wade Robson in order to get the heat off of himself.

I hope any MJ fan who still gives Trump the benefit of the doubt because of the fact he was friends with MJ and defended him during the trial wakes up and realizes that he's literally no different at all from someone like Wade Robson or the Arvizo family. He's willing to completely throw MJ under the bus to save his own sorry ass, and probably feels as if someone like MJ is an easy target because he's no longer around to defend himself.

etoile 37 said:

When was the second time?

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There was no second time. Receipts & links have already been pulled an are currently circulating to show the following (I swear, MJ fam // we remain unmatched):

- truth about the picture with Diana, including who was in it and where it took place (Evan R also took to his insta to confirm & denounce this latest effort to vilify his godfather, MJ)

- articles from that year that were published to support that yes, MJ was indeed in the area to real estate shop

- articles & personal testimony from one of JE’s victims saying that not only was MJ NOT involved with any of this/ANY wrongdoing, but he also never went to the island and never had a massage.

- the “advisor” (another dubious person — sigh, the ppl around Mike ) who setup that meeting w/MJ to talk real estate and possible financial help

- receipts that the meeting didn’t end well in the end and MJ didn’t go through with working with JE

- Link to a financial publication from tha year confirming that yes (for anyone who wasn’t alive or was too young to remember), AT THAT TIME, JE was seen as an esteemed financial guru


And on and on and on.

fraroc04 said:

So apparently it looks like Trump in the redacted Epstein files, basically just tried to pull a Wade Robson in order to get the heat off of himself.

I hope any MJ fan who still gives Trump the benefit of the doubt because of the fact he was friends with MJ and defended him during the trial wakes up and realizes that he's literally no different at all from someone like Wade Robson or the Arvizo family. He's willing to completely throw MJ under the bus to save his own sorry ass, and probably feels as if someone like MJ is an easy target because he's no longer around to defend himself.

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MJ and Trump were never friends. MJ was renting an apartment in Trump’s building and they were associates at best, with Trump trying to milk the association for all he could.

Those who believe the two were friends are forgetting – or perhaps may have missed - Trump making the rounds in 2005 calling MJ a “weirdo” & claiming that he “knew there was something off about him”

kai said:

Is everyone who met P.Diddy once or twice also guilty of shit?

You can’t know everyone’s dark secrets…
If we go by that logic everyone is guilty of shit because nearly every celebrity met some
other celebrity that turned out to be a creep….

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The picture aspect is especially interesting because it’s Michael Jackson — of course everybody and their mother wanted to take pictures of/with him. Mike took pictures with everybody from presidents/dignity/royalty to regular civilians.

Candybread6 said:

MJ and Trump were never friends. MJ was renting an apartment in Trump’s building and they were associates at best, with Trump trying to milk the association for all he could.

Those who believe the two were friends are forgetting – we’re perhaps may have missed Dash Trump making the rounds in 2005 calling MJ a “weirdo” & claiming that he “knew there was something off about him”

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Unfortunately, there were a number of MJ fans who ended up falling down the MAGA pipeline in 2016 because of this belief that Trump and MJ were close friends and "if the media was lying on Michael, they must be lying on Trump then."

Ironically, one of the more prolific MJ youtubers from back in the day fell down the MAGA pipeline for that very reason, and is now on the "MJ guilty/former MJ fan" grift, now fully believing things that have literally been debunked numerous times from unbiased sources....And this is all built on supposed "issues" he's had with the MJ fanbase in the past, but literally his entire argumentation for why he now thinks MJ is guilty is pretty much the negative proof fallacy. "You can't prove he isn't a pedo, so therefore he is."

Candybread6 said:

MJ and Trump were never friends. MJ was renting an apartment in Trump’s building and they were associates at best, with Trump trying to milk the association for all he could.

Those who believe the two were friends are forgetting – or perhaps may have missed - Trump making the rounds in 2005 calling MJ a “weirdo” & claiming that he “knew there was something off about him”

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I don't remember DT making those claims at the time. Would really appreciate it if you could share any sources for those comments.

I generally recall DT being very openly supportive of MJ on the whole, (although he did make some comments about MJs self esteem and plastic surgery). However, I am not suggesting that DTs support for MJ in any way vindicates DTs character. But at the time DT was on a very popular TV show and wasn't perceived the way he is today.

I also vaguely recall DTs daughter mentioning that MJ went to a school production of hers, and her mother writing about MJ visits to their home in her book. So maybe the association wasn't purely one sided.

fraroc04 said:

Unfortunately, there were a number of MJ fans who ended up falling down the MAGA pipeline in 2016 because of this belief that Trump and MJ were close friends and "if the media was lying on Michael, they must be lying on Trump then."

Ironically, one of the more prolific MJ youtubers from back in the day fell down the MAGA pipeline for that very reason, and is now on the "MJ guilty/former MJ fan" grift, now fully believing things that have literally been debunked numerous times from unbiased sources....And this is all built on supposed "issues" he's had with the MJ fanbase in the past, but literally his entire argumentation for why he now thinks MJ is guilty is pretty much the negative proof fallacy. "You can't prove he isn't a pedo, so therefore he is."

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"You can't prove he's a pedophile, so therefore he isn't." Just one sentence to dismantle his shitty logic.

fraroc04 said:

Unfortunately, there were a number of MJ fans who ended up falling down the MAGA pipeline in 2016 because of this belief that Trump and MJ were close friends and "if the media was lying on Michael, they must be lying on Trump then."

Ironically, one of the more prolific MJ youtubers from back in the day fell down the MAGA pipeline for that very reason, and is now on the "MJ guilty/former MJ fan" grift, now fully believing things that have literally been debunked numerous times from unbiased sources....And this is all built on supposed "issues" he's had with the MJ fanbase in the past, but literally his entire argumentation for why he now thinks MJ is guilty is pretty much the negative proof fallacy. "You can't prove he isn't a pedo, so therefore he is."

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That’s not how it works. The burden of proof lies with the accuser to prove their claims, upholding the presumption of innocence.

Strange logic. That means anyone can accuse anyone and the accused is guilty by default. Also, you cannot prove a universal negative. To prove this requires proof of innocence that the accused must somehow account for every moment of their existence, which is absurd.

Themidwestcowboy said:

That’s not how it works. The burden of proof lies with the accuser to prove their claims, upholding the presumption of innocence.

Strange logic. That means anyone can accuse anyone and the accused is guilty by default. Also, you cannot prove a universal negative. To prove this requires proof of innocence that the accused must somehow account for every moment of their existence, which is absurd.

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I agree. However, I would like to add a nuance because in some cases where guilt has been proven and verified, the evidence to be given often does not allow us to determine if the crime took place and in this sense, many victims do not have the courage to pursue the case even with personal support and lawyers.