I cannot stand Teddy bro lies for no reason but to give him the benefit of the doubt, Joy is a released song, just without MJ's lead vocal obviously. So there really is no unused stuff like he said (unless there's unreleased Teddy stuff we dk about)
But Joy is a song he worked on with Michael and his version is unreleased right? So either he's forgetting the song altogether or Michael has no lead vocals besides the chorus
If there is any unused stuff, those would be all the instrumental grooves Teddy submitted to Michael that weren’t developed into songs… He did say he played 15-20 grooves to Michael, and some were bound not to be used anyway.
What if he's mixing it up with Michael's Joy (Best of Joy)? Just a thought.
Very uncertain. The 1991 list had both "Best Of Joy" and "Joy," plus Jean-Marie was working on several Teddy originals at Larrabee so it'd be hard for him to confuse the Teddy-produced Joy with a song that was likely worked on exclusively at Record One (and the period where Teddy worked there came before Jean-Marie joined him after his team moved to Larrabee North).
The latter assumption wouldn't really line up with what Tammy Lucas said about "Joy," where she describes Michael singing the verses in a very MJ-esque way.
What the hell has been going on with him? It like that he’s become a massive pathological liar ever since Michael’s passing lol.
Wait did his autobiography finally come out after years of being in the limbo?
At 12:14, he claims to have used the MPC2000XL to produce Remember The Time, but unless he’s a time traveler, how is that possible? That sampler was released in 1999; Remember The Time was produced in 1991. He’s either lying for no good reason or he has poor memory.
I always think of how he tried to pass of the SWG remix of BOTDF as his own on a live stream.
Yeah his version with his lead (if it exists) is unreleased obviously. My point was the song did come out just not with the lead vocal, so his claim of there being nothing left that went unused seems to be accurate
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Yeah that's what i'm putting my money on being left from Teddy. Verdicts, Bombay Nights, Dream Girl type stuff (but likely better)
And in the Kingvention interview, he seems to be very aware that "Joy" is the Blackstreet song.
No people just gave him more attention. He might’ve always been dumb and dishonest for all we know, but he helped make Remember The Time.
Bill made updated mixes for it in 2010 and 2014 for the estate, but it didn't make the cut. It just has some things moved around, no new overdubs afaik
It’s weird because it’s so perfect as is and yet that’s its main flaw. Such a strange little song, honestly the strangest outtake imo. I love it tho.
If You Don’t Love Me… I’ve never liked this song, but I really can’t say why
Yea, I'd kill for Bill to release his 2 mixes of the song, maybe it fixes whatever makes it underwhelming (still a great song)
Cheater is completely finished though lol. I suggest raising the pitch by 0.3 semitones and BPM by 1, really makes a difference. Same for IYLDMIf You Don’t Love Me… I’ve never liked this song, but I really can’t say why
Like Cheater, it’s missing something that would make it really good or great… but I like
Cheater much more though.
But I’m sure that if it were mixed differently (different instruments perhaps), the chances
of me liking If You Don’t Love Me would be higher.
All this = imo
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His book came out recently but the comments from Barnes and Sundberg were from a few years ago when he first said he was supposed to be on the Bad album
It's basically finished, except a final mixing.If You Don’t Love Me… I’ve never liked this song, but I really can’t say why
Like Cheater, it’s missing something that would make it really good or great…
