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Did the 2005 trial bring Michael and his father closer?

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During the 2005 trial, there are pictures of Michael and his father holding hands and laughing together. Even the acquittal day, Joseph literally held him from the back to keep him standing as he left the courtroom.

Of course, Joseph attended the trial to morally support his son, no question about that. I just don’t recall seeing Joseph “holding” Michael or being a little affectionate at any other time in Michael’s life.

It’s actually a good, expected and normal thing for Joseph to do. It showed he had some fatherly qualities, after all.
 
I can't remember if it was in the RS tapes, but I recall MJ mentioning how his father tried to relate to him in a different way as he aged, and MJ admitted to finding this a strange/unsettling experience for himself as he was used to experiencing his father a certain way.

But during that difficult trial period, seeing MJ surrounded by his family was a good look.
 
Joseph Jackson showed that he had some fatherly qualities also during the 'This Is it' era.

As he stated to the American TV host Larry King, he was aware of the fact that AEG Live manipulated his son Michael Jackson.

So, with the help of Leonard Rowe, Joseph Jackson tried to intervene (via phone calls, etc) in order to remove AEG Live from his son's life.

But AEG Live did not even let Joseph Jackson speak to Michael Jackson.
 
mj_frenzy said:
Joseph Jackson showed that he had some fatherly qualities also during the 'This Is it' era.

As he stated to the American TV host Larry King, he was aware of the fact that AEG Live manipulated his son Michael Jackson.

So, with the help of Leonard Rowe, Joseph Jackson tried to intervene (via phone calls, etc) in order to remove AEG Live from his son's life.

But AEG Live did not even let Joseph Jackson speak to Michael Jackson.
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I really doubt that Joe was trying to remove AEG Live, I'd sooner believe he was trying to get involved and get a piece of the pie.

This is what Joe did when Michael went to the hospital during his trial in 2005, according to Jermaine:

Our father has never been one for deep emotional examination and, as Michael talks, I can see him itching to divert the conversation toward other plans: a concert in China.
“Your sense of timing is not good, Joe!” Mother tells him in admonishment.
“What better time is there than now?” he says.

And people think he would have stopped This Is It? No way! The fact that Michael was calling him to help him with AEG just shows how desperate Michael was and how he felt there was no one else he could count on.

StarlightXX said:
During the 2005 trial, there are pictures of Michael and his father holding hands and laughing together. Even the acquittal day, Joseph literally held him from the back to keep him standing as he left the courtroom.

Of course, Joseph attended the trial to morally support his son, no question about that. I just don’t recall seeing Joseph “holding” Michael or being a little affectionate at any other time in Michael’s life.

It’s actually a good, expected and normal thing for Joseph to do. It showed he had some fatherly qualities, after all.
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Joe was a terrible father in many ways, but I'll give him this, at least he always defended Michael when the media attacked him. In private, he may have failed to show his son how proud of him he was, but at least he was good at showing it publically.
 
StarlightXX said:
During the 2005 trial, there are pictures of Michael and his father holding hands and laughing together. Even the acquittal day, Joseph literally held him from the back to keep him standing as he left the courtroom.

Of course, Joseph attended the trial to morally support his son, no question about that. I just don’t recall seeing Joseph “holding” Michael or being a little affectionate at any other time in Michael’s life.

It’s actually a good, expected and normal thing for Joseph to do. It showed he had some fatherly qualities, after all.
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Well... isn't this the least he could do? Don't want to judge too much from the outside, but I mean...when you mistreat (euphemism) your child the way he did...?
 
When I think of Joe I can’t help but go back to his BET awards interview literally two days after Michael had died, trying to promote acts or projects he was working on.

You just lost your son .

 
Blues_Away2023 said:
When I think of Joe I can’t help but go back to his BET awards interview literally two days after Michael had died, trying to promote acts or projects he was working on.

You just lost your son .

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I am really a peaceloving person, never hurt anyone in my life, but I'd like to... nevermind.
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
When I think of Joe I can’t help but go back to his BET awards interview literally two days after Michael had died, trying to promote acts or projects he was working on.

You just lost your son .

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I'm no fan of Joe Jackson, but most of what he said appeared fine, I don't think he came across as a grieving father, but I have seen people handle grief in strange ways. Also, he only mentioned the record company once his business partner showed up and put his hand on JJs shoulder, it was a short part of a 5 mins clip. Even still, I have seen colleagues bury themselves in work to deal with grief. I guess I'm not comfortable criticising a parent dealing with the loss of their child.
 
jasmine.uddin said:
I'm no fan of Joe Jackson, but most of what he said appeared fine, I don't think he came across as a grieving father, but I have seen people handle grief in strange ways. Also, he only mentioned the record company once his business partner showed up and put his hand on JJs shoulder, it was a short part of a 5 mins clip. Even still, I have seen colleagues bury themselves in work to deal with grief. I guess I'm not comfortable criticising a parent dealing with the loss of their child.
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In general I would agree, but answering "I'm great" and talking about having lost "the biggest star" instead of "my son" is pretty tasteless. I am sure Joe is a person who was taught not to show weakness or sadness, but still...he could have said it differently.

This just makes me angry af, sorry...
 
someplace_else said:
In general I would agree, but answering "I'm great" and talking about having lost "the biggest star" instead of "my son" is pretty tasteless. I am sure Joe is a person who was taught not to show weakness or sadness, but still...he could have said it differently.

This just makes me angry af, sorry...
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Grief is a highly personal and harrowing experience, I think it's important to be careful of criticising others for falling short on our own expectations of their grief.
 
jasmine.uddin said:
Grief is a highly personal and harrowing experience, I think it's important to be careful of criticising others for falling short on our own expectations of their grief.
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I am always careful with my criticism and try to look at people at various angles, but the words he said are just out of place. I don't expect him to burst in tears, I don't care how he deals with it in private but here, just definitely tasteless.

And yes, I am biased because I really, really can't stand him. But nothing can change my mind here. It's okay for me if you can see it in a more objective way, maybe. I can't.
 
someplace_else said:
In general I would agree, but answering "I'm great" and talking about having lost "the biggest star" instead of "my son" is pretty tasteless. I am sure Joe is a person who was taught not to show weakness or sadness, but still...he could have said it differently.

This just makes me angry af, sorry...
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My thoughts exactly! You’ve just lost your son and he’s talking about losing the biggest star etc - to me it shows who he really is and the way that Michael felt very little love from him throughout his life.

Joe had a reputation we all know that but surely if there was ever a time to show his true emotions it would have been there, just a few days after Michael’s death.

I seen an interview maybe a year later where he did show a tiny bit more emotion but I think he was a cruel man.
 
Maybe I am in the minority, but I think it's important to put ones personal feelings aside when discussing how a parent is responding in their grief for the loss of their child. I don't consider this an objective thing to do but the compassionate thing to do.

There are many areas where JJ deserves valid criticism, how he handles his grief should not be conflated with everything else. Whatever our personal feelings about JJs response in that clip, he was still a father that recently lost his son, I don't think it's appropriate to kick a person when they're down.
 
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I have only watched like 30 seconds of the video (really cannot watch more) and find his responses out of place. That's it. I am not saying he wasn't grieving or whatever, I can't look inside his head.

And my opinion about him will never change. Have seen and heard too many stories. And I am sure we only know the tip of the iceberg.

So, getting back on the original topic: I still think, it was the least he could do. I don't know how he grew up and how many things must have gone wrong to make him this way. But children should never suffer from their parent's psychological problems. Nobody is perfect, of course, but I think everyone here knows what I mean.

Can't put my feelings aside here, sorry, I am too empathetic for that. Enough said, need to keep my inner peace 💁
 
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