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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Lotfi11k said:
Can you tell me which minute they talked about craze because the episode long
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I can't remember, but he doesn't exactly talk about the song though, he ends up finding the song while he was searching for the GYWOOM file in his computer and says it's around 6 minutes long.
AlwaysThere said:
Somebody’s gotta chat with MP again and ask him about this one. Very curious about it. I’m assuming it’s an Invincible outtake, given that it was in a folder with other tracks from that era.
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Someone should also ask him about the 3rd song that MJ finished at the Bel Air Hotel in 2008, he said that I Was The Loser and Best Of Joy was 2 of the 3 songs but he never says what the 3rd song it is.
 
If it's from a seminar in 2019 - I find it almost impossible that no one has ever said anything about hearing it...

Why say it now? I am not very sure I believe it. - I would think more fans would have mentioned it if they had heard a full unreleased MJ song...
 
ChanceToDance said:
I can't remember, but he doesn't exactly talk about the song though, he ends up finding the song while he was searching for the GYWOOM file in his computer and says it's around 6 minutes long.

Someone should also ask him about the 3rd song that MJ finished at the Bel Air Hotel in 2008, he said that I Was The Loser and Best Of Joy was 2 of the 3 songs but he never says what the 3rd song it is.
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Maybe it was For All Time.
 
Matt Forger just confirmed on The MJ Cast that MJ likely recorded a guide vocal for “Groove of Midnight” during the Bad sessions. Given that such a demo couldn’t be located for Bad 25, does this mean that it’s not in the estate’s possession?
 
AlwaysThere said:
Matt Forger just confirmed on The MJ Cast that MJ likely recorded a guide vocal for “Groove of Midnight” during the Bad sessions. Given that such a demo couldn’t be located for Bad 25, does this mean that it’s not in the estate’s possession?
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I haven't listened to the episode yet, is it good mate? Does he reveal ant new info about unreleased material?
 
AlwaysThere said:
Matt Forger just confirmed on The MJ Cast that MJ likely recorded a guide vocal for “Groove of Midnight” during the Bad sessions. Given that such a demo couldn’t be located for Bad 25, does this mean that it’s not in the estate’s possession?
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U mean groove of midnight exist ? My English not perfect can u help me
 
To surmise the Matt Forger interview (highly recommended) for those who haven't yet listened:

Rod Temperton presented Groove of Midnight to MJ during the Bad sessions. Michael wasn't particularly fond of the track, but may have recorded a guide vocal. Matt wasn't sure if he recorded a full lead vocal, which is why it may not have been available for Bad 25.

Temperton expressed to Forger that Michael didn't seem interested in hearing his song ideas for the Bad album. Quincy encouraged MJ to write his own songs for the album, a challenge that Michael took to heart. Temperton didn't present any more ideas to Michael for the album.

From what I remember, another piece of information gained from the interview is that Dirty Diana was initially worked on straight after the completion of Centipede for Rebbie Jackson in 1984.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but MJ worked on the song Tomboy with a guitarist (cannot remember his name). MJ wasn't a fan of the track, and gifted the instrumental to the guitarist, who used it on his next album.
 
robotchicken14 said:
To surmise the Matt Forger interview (highly recommended) for those who haven't yet listened:

Rod Temperton presented Groove of Midnight to MJ during the Bad sessions. Michael wasn't particularly fond of the track, but may have recorded a guide vocal. Matt wasn't sure if he recorded a full lead vocal, which is why it may not have been available for Bad 25.

Temperton expressed to Forger that Michael didn't seem interested in hearing his song ideas for the Bad album. Quincy encouraged MJ to write his own songs for the album, a challenge that Michael took to heart. Temperton didn't present any more ideas to Michael for the album.

From what I remember, another piece of information gained from the interview is that Dirty Diana was initially worked on straight after the completion of Centipede for Rebbie Jackson in 1984.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but MJ worked on the song Tomboy with a guitarist (cannot remember his name). MJ wasn't a fan of the track, and gifted the instrumental to the guitarist, who used it on his next album.
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Roger Troutman. So what is the instrumental that was on the next album? I'll have to find out. It must be on the Roger album released in 1987, Unlimited! But which track?
 
robotchicken14 said:
To surmise the Matt Forger interview (highly recommended) for those who haven't yet listened:

Rod Temperton presented Groove of Midnight to MJ during the Bad sessions. Michael wasn't particularly fond of the track, but may have recorded a guide vocal. Matt wasn't sure if he recorded a full lead vocal, which is why it may not have been available for Bad 25.

Temperton expressed to Forger that Michael didn't seem interested in hearing his song ideas for the Bad album. Quincy encouraged MJ to write his own songs for the album, a challenge that Michael took to heart. Temperton didn't present any more ideas to Michael for the album.

From what I remember, another piece of information gained from the interview is that Dirty Diana was initially worked on straight after the completion of Centipede for Rebbie Jackson in 1984.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but MJ worked on the song Tomboy with a guitarist (cannot remember his name). MJ wasn't a fan of the track, and gifted the instrumental to the guitarist, who used it on his next album.
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So tomboy did not have any vocals
 
Derek1984 said:
Roger Troutman. So what is the instrumental that was on the next album? I'll have to find out. It must be on the Roger album released in 1987, Unlimited! But which track?
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The melody is reminiscent of Remember The Time, the "I know you remember" melody according to John Barnes
 
Derek1984 said:
Roger Troutman. So what is the instrumental that was on the next album? I'll have to find out. It must be on the Roger album released in 1987, Unlimited! But which track?
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In order to find it, search for a track that (according to certain descriptions) has similar melodic elements to the 'Ghosts' and 'Remember The Time' songs.
 
Ekam Satyam - MJ & AR RAHMAN (INDIAN)

THIS SONG IS ALSO UNRELEASED, ITS A LOW TEMPO SONG, AND I GUESS ITS COMPLETE

WHERE MJ IS SINGING IN ENGLISH AND RAHMAN IS SINGING IN SANSKRIT
Ekam means "the one", Satyam means "truth".... So this song might be about MJ's innocence... But I guess it is complete...

 
Lotfi11k said:
So tomboy did not have any vocals
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I don't think Forger specified whether or not there were vocals, only that MJ wasn't happy with the track and gave it away.

Derek1984 said:
Roger Troutman. So what is the instrumental that was on the next album? I'll have to find out. It must be on the Roger album released in 1987, Unlimited! But which track?
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Yeah, Roger Troutman, thanks. Currently listening to Roger's 'Unlimited!' to investigate
 
Fuzball said:
Apparently the credits provided in the booklet for Scared of the Moon were correct. The song was demoed for a never realized children's storybook recording.
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Scared of the Moon was an unrealised project similar to the ET Storybook album, with the song as the centrepiece. It would've played a similar role to Someone in the Dark most likely. It was continuously delayed because of Captain EO, and then Bad album.

The song was worked on for History. So from what I could tell it sounded like the version from TUC is the earliest version worked on by Forger.
 
Fuzball said:
According to Forger, WDYK & WALWTG were never considered for Thriller.
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No way, the Estate lied? Why would they ever do that?

I knew something wasn't right, there was no way WALWTG was a Thriller song, the whole thing sounds like it's from the 70's. Maybe the Estate is also lying when they say Sunset Driver is entirely from Thriller.
 
Fuzball said:
According to Forger, WDYK & WALWTG were never considered for Thriller.
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He said that they were worked on in-between Off the Wall and Thriller. You can hear Michael's brothers and sisters in both recordings, so I'd say they were both initially worked on for Triumph.

My educated guess would be that when the Thriller project began in '82, MJ had a backlog of songs he'd written for Off the Wall and Triumph that he felt would better be suited for a solo album, rather than a Jacksons album.

In addition to Billie Jean, written in '81, he selected the best of the best of what he had to offer from the last few years to present to Quincy, Rod etc. Deciding that WBSS was the best he had to offer.

So yes, they weren't worked on by Quincy for Thriller. But there's no doubt that MJ at least considered presenting them.
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
So WDYK is exclusively a Victory track then?
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I'd say he probably revisited it after Thriller like he always did with older tracks, but that it never had any serious developments from the version we got on T40. It probably naturally evolved into I'm So Blue at some point after the fact.
 
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