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Slave of Michael 🛐
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Not at all. You needed a space to vent your truest and innermost feelings. We are your family and we are here for you. Loving and supporting each other like Jesus said to.I’m sorry if I did something wrong… I don’t wanted to be offensive…
All of us had missed opportunities, things not working out. There was a period of time when everyone in my friend group had been inside Neverland, each for different times and events and I was the only one who hadn't had that experience. Yes it was hard for me to listen to my friends talking about their experiences in Neverland, but it only made me more determined to have my own Neverland experience one day. There were times on Michael trips when we would spend 12 to 14 hours outside the hotel in the cold and not even see him, while other fans who had the money to pay for a room in the hotel were able to talk to him multiple times in a day.It's a huge missed opportunity for me.
Simple fact, they were chosen because they were there and did something to catch Michaels attention. There's nothing deep about it. They were in the same physical location as Michael.But young women and men, why were they chosen?
There's a lot I could say about this, but this line of thinking is wrong. You cant just watch something on YouTube and caste judgement on the people and say they didn't deserve to meet Michael. You are only seeing a few minutes on an highly edit piece of video and have no idea about context or anything else about those people. You cant say I respect him more than you do, that's just wrong.But some people, or fans, simply didn't deserve it. I once stumbled upon a documentary in French, and two Michael Jackson fans who had met him (there were three of them) looked down on him. When he died, they initially thought, "Wow, Michael must be pretending to be sick again, like he did once before the 1995 concerts to avoid doing them. What a wimp!" Dude, you met him, why are you judging? I respect Michael more than you do, even though I never had the chance to meet him. Besides, there are worse people, like criminals (hey R. Kelly, hey J. Epstein, you don't deserve to be in the same room as such a good man; it's something you'll never achieve even if you live 5 000 lifetimes).
There's a song called IRIS by the band GOO GOO DOLLS. It was released in 1998 and it kinda got adopted by many Michael fans, as the lyrics expressed exactly this.For you perhaps, but same if I could met him, that’s selfish, but he knows that I’m exist and we could talk…
We all felt that way. We all wanted him to know who we were. I am one of the few fans that he did know about and recognize. The first time I realized this , it was the most amazing feeling, its so hard to explain. Its like this little candle inside me, giving me strength to get through dark times, knowing that my dreams became reality, I achieved what many thought was impossible.And I don't want the world to see me
'Cause I don't think that they'd understand
When everything's made to be broken
I just want you to know who I am
You cant keep thinking about that, or the bitterness and envy will eat you up. Let it go, Michael is dead, the past cant be changed.After I think there must be a few million who do not especially want to meet the man, among the fans that Michael met, there are some who did not necessarily want to meet him.
The vast majority of us never paid to meet Michael. Things like that happened to me too. One time when Michael was in London, I had to work in the mornings and then only go to the hotel in the evenings. On Michaels last day, I missed seeing him leave and go to the airport as I was working. By the time I got to the hotel, he was gone, I missed him by about 1 hour. Things happen and yes it was hard that my friends got to talk to him but I was happy for them.Yes but some fans were able to meet him for free... it must be infuriating not to have arrived in time
No you didn't do anything wrong and I'm not offended. Its good to have these types of threads, its good to have discussions like this, as then people like me can share our experiences and people like you can learn the real truth.I’m sorry if I did something wrong… I don’t wanted to be offensive…
Exactly. Everyone sees the TikTok's or YouTube videos of fans meeting Michael, that amazing moment when they get one to one with Michael and can talk to him and give him gifts or get a photo with him, or get an autograph. What no one sees is the hours or days before that standing in the cold outside a hotel, not wanting to leave in case you miss him, so you don't eat and try not to drink much water so you don't need the rest room. No one sees the dehydration, the sleep depravation, never mind the personal, family or professional sacrifices that are occurring due to making the choice to stay outside the hotel for 12 or more hours. No one sees the family dramas, the parents, friends or SO who don't understand the fans choices of wanting to see and meet Michael.I think experience comes into it also. I have lived long enough to see that the moments of joy people experience are only a brief respite from the challenges of life that come to us all. So when I see others experience a moment of joy, I know I am only seeing a snapshot of their life. While I may feel inclined to trade places with them for that moment, I don't know their past or their future challenges, so I don't really know the whole picture of what I am being jealous of.
Exactly. People only see the high times, talking to Michael and are jealous, but would they also be jealous of all the low times that also happened.When I am jealous of someone's high times, I ask myself if I would also be jealous of their low times.
The only thing I don't like is watching some of the YANA/She's Out Of My Life - girls.
Exactly, Michael has been dead 16 years, being jealous of fans like me wont change anything. That's just life. There's so many things that I would have loved to experience but I was too young. My parents wouldn't bring me to BAD tour as I was a young child.Just interested. Don't get me wrong, I know how jealousy feels. But at the very moment I feel it, I always tell myself: being jealous now doesn't change anything about MY life. And then it's gone immediately.
That's something you will never know for sure. But from my experience, my guess is "Better, because it would have been so great" For fans like me meeting Michael was never expected or guaranteed, every trip was different. Most people only every met him once, very few of us met him multiple times. So we always had the mindset that if we met him it would be " a one time thing". For all of us, we always we knew that we may never get the chance again, so we treated each precious moment with him as if it would be the last time.One additional thought I often have concerning this topic:
If I had only met him once, how would my life have been afterwards? Better, because it would have been so great or worse because I would know it was a one time thing? So, dunno...
Thank you. As you can see by the join date on my profile I have been part of MJJC for a very long time. I have shared a lot over the years on here, so just search my username and you can find my old posts. I don't log in here very often but I do get email notifications, so if you want to know something specific, tag me and I'll get the notification and log inI don’t feel jealous but I feel happy for them and glad they can share their memories with us! Means a lot to hear that
Is that Navi you are referring to?There is a MJ impersonator (that I’ve seen perform in person) who was present at Michael’s 2005 trial (he was standing with the fans at the fences, in MJ attire, showing his support). So he has seen Michael in person but has never properly met him. But he said that it wasn’t really a priority as he felt like he knew Michael anyway and that was enough for him.
I wish you had tried some way to find the fan communities. So many fans just didn't even try because they thought like you, that it was just impossible. But it really wasn't. Michael wasn't like other celebs, from History era onwards, he allowed us to get close to him, he wanted the direct personal contact with the fan communities.No. Various ways to answer:
When I started listening to MJ in the 90s he was just so much bigger than anything that I thought my chances to meet him would be close to zero.
I also thought the chances that I could meet him in significant situation (not like just getting an autograph) were even tiniest.
OMG, that describes meAnd if I would ever have met him, I guess I might have been disappointed afterward by not knowing what to say or so.
Waves hi across the internet, well now you are talking to another person who has met him several timesI think I knew someone who met him several times, but that person worked hard for it... But I'm not even sure, and I lost contact with that person around that time.
It was magical. One way I describe it so that people can get an idea of what is was like is the start of the YANA video. The bit where the music is just playing softly, Michael is walking and the background visuals are a crowd of people shouting and camera flashes going off but you don't hear any of that noise. Like time standing still, all you are aware of is Michael, looking into his eyes and concentrating on what he is saying.And even without putting him on a pedestal (I don't do that either), he was a very interesting person and I am sure meeting him would have been a great experience.
Um actually no, not really. I've never heard any fan who met Michael or was around him say something like that. Michael was not like other celebs. Every fan interaction I've ever known about, the person has been spellbound afterwards. Michael had this special aura around him, the air felt different, he was just so different from any other celeb I have been around. He was the one who encouraged the fan interactions. He wanted us outside hotels and all the other paces. He would tell the bodyguards to go through the front door where we were to see us, instead of going out the side door where there were no fans. He went to the private fanclub events in England specifically to interact with fans.Keep in mind that if a fan meets Michael Jackson in person, this can shatter Michael Jackson's idealized, polished image to the fan's eyes.
Um actually no, thats not really how the huge majority of fans met him. Only very fans met him through the fanclub contests. He didn't do the paid meet and greet events that most modern celebs do. Other than the Japan event in 2007 which very few European and US fans went to, no one I knew or heard about paid to meet Michael.In any case, back in the day, it was much easier for fans to meet him personally mainly because there were many Michael Jackson fan clubs that used to get lucky fans (via contests, etc) to meet him in special events, award shows, and so on.
Exactly. Those fans are fans that I knew from my travels to see Michael. Thats exactly how the majority of fans I knew met him. Those fans on the documentary were regulars, known by the bodyguards. The bodyguards knew how they behaved around Michael, so there were no issues or problems letting them have a few minutes with him.That reminds me of the Martin Bashir documentary - when Michael is out walking with his kids and singing "Smile", and a couple of Spanish fans approached him and they talked for a little while. The bodyguards didn't move them away, and the fans were calm.
You are welcomeThank you Moonstreet for sharing this and offering your perspective on the matter. It’s very important for Domi (OP) to understand that while there were fans like you who got to meet Michael, the circumstances of his life made it difficult for the average person to meet him.
So you have talked to Michael a few times? Can you remember what you talked about with him? Plus did you give him any gifts?
Same, it would've probably been something like: "Hahahahahi, hey, my name is nice to meet you...uh, hi, uh...bye"Also because I know that I would be so awkward in his presence. I know I'm shy and it would be a disaster. I would be so upset with myself afterwards.
Yes...all the tours...I would have attended numerous concertsWhat sometimes annoys me the most is that I was born "too late" to, at least, experience his events on tv or even being able to go to a concert. But I can't go back in time and I have to deal with that.
I think I wouldn't have been able to say a word. Considering english is not my native language as well. I would have forgotten english completelySame, it would've probably been something like: "Hahahahahi, hey, my name is nice to meet you...uh, hi, uh...bye". So, maybe for the best we didn't meet
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Thanks for your understanding. I sure can overcome and I kinda do: I still live my real everyday life, it’s just that mix of emotions added up. Sometimes I cry happy tears, dance, smile. Sometimes I am hours in watching/reading/griefing. I decided that I had to go its own way.Shamone, I understand you completely, and I hope you can overcome all of this. You could see a psychologist to talk about it and free yourself from it; personally, I know it helped me a lot when I was little.
It's always sad for me to read stories like yours @Shamone! and I hope there are enough things in your life that make you happy and you will get better. I love P!nk, too btw. Always have to think about Mike when I listen to "The One That Got Away"
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It made me happy to read an emotionally intelligent response like this. I believe many people in this world have a tendency to become hooked to earthly desires to achieve fulfillment. Making a celebrity or someone they don’t know well the focal point of their happiness feels safe to them, when the reality is they are tarnishing their own life path with destructive habits.I think a huge part of feeling so sad about the missed opportunity is, that many fans (still don't like that word) sense a strong connection to Michael and feel like meeting him would have made their lifes better. Or maybe also to create an opportunity to make him feel better by showing him how much we love him. I can say, that I feel that way and I am sure many of you, too.
But I always try not to get lost in these fantasies and to look at the whole situation in a quite objective way, too. Face reality and especially ask myself why I feel this way.
It's great that Michael's music and everything he created enrichens our lifes. But we also have to find joy in other things...friends, hobbies, etc. and I hope you have that, too.
It's always sad for me to read stories like yours @Shamone! and I hope there are enough things in your life that make you happy and you will get better. I love P!nk, too btw. Always have to think about Mike when I listen to "The One That Got Away"
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I think most people here do see Michael the human being and not the star. At least we can picture how he really was by adding all the pieces of the puzzle. Some pieces will always stay a secret, of course.It made me happy to read an emotionally intelligent response like this. I believe many people in this world have a tendency to become hooked to earthly desires to achieve fulfillment. Making a celebrity or someone they don’t know well the focal point of their happiness feels safe to them, when the reality is they are tarnishing their own life path with destructive habits.
“The fans act like they know you. So I respond with hugs and kisses.” -Michael Jackson
History was blessed to have such a kind and talented man. Naturally millions of people want to meet Michael. We are only a few of many in this thread. But how many would go so far as to seek his truth? How many would stay cool in his presence and treat him like you would a good friend or neighbor, without wanting something from him? Most people don’t even bother reading the ingredients in the very food they eat, or showing up for their own children at dinner time, or give back to the people who love them!
Too many people crave the higher proximity to fame. How can we claim to want someone’s truth when we are so disconnected from our own? To seek someone’s truth means to stop looking at the star and look at the man. Acknowledge his complexities and burdens, instead of just his brilliance.
Perhaps. But I’ve seen a lot of haters on this website too. When I said we are likely the few out of the millions, I meant that literally.I think most people here do see Michael the human being and not the star. At least we can picture how he really was by adding all the pieces of the puzzle. Some pieces will always stay a secret, of course.
It's a beautiful way to escape reality when you listen to his music, watch concerts, etc. and that's okay. You just have to be careful to not get lost there and look for things you can improve in your own life, as you wrote, yes.
Hm, I am not interested in famous people tbh. There are only some I find inspiring but I don't have the urge to meet them or to be close to them. We are all just human beings in the end and I am also inspired by friends or people I know, doesn't have to be celebrities.The most important thing is not to get lost, that’s for sure.
There are often some grounded reasons why people what to be close to fame/celebs/you name it — in different ways. My thoughts on this is sometimes people (and me myself tbh) just want something more of our own lives and selves. More creativity, more art, more craft, more being a part of something big and important.
It takes lots of inner strength to create something for your happiness out of this strong emotions and feelings.
Yeah, maybe... it's hard to find true friends, at least if you want a genuine friendship, that's for sure. And when you are famous it's even harder.Perhaps. But I’ve seen a lot of haters on this website too. When I said we are likely the few out of the millions, I meant that literally.
At one point Michael said, “I’ve met many people in my life. And very few are real, genuine friends.” I believe him based on my own life experiences.
I might have explained my thought in not the best way possible, sorry. What I mean is not being interested in celebs like you want to meet every single Brad Pitt in Hollywood, no. I mean that the abstract feeling of wanting to be close to something big is sometimes the answer to some inner needs.Hm, I am not interested in famous people tbh. There are only some I find inspiring but I don't have the urge to meet them or to be close to them. We are all just human beings in the end and I am also inspired by friends or people I know, doesn't have to be celebrities.
Yeah, can relate to that. (English is my third language, so totally understand)Michael is just special for me because he feels like part of my life, I watched him sing and dance as a little child and I know even back then I felt some kind of connection.
Can relate to this as wellWhen I think of meeting him now, the first thing I would love to do is give him a hug, thank him for everything and go on a ride with some western horses through the woods tbh![]()
Is that Navi you are referring to?
There is a video on Youtube of the entire Virgin CD signing event. Do you know if you are in the video, by any chance?Yes I did talk to Michael a few times. Mostly it was just a quick few words as he was entering or leaving a building. I was also at the Virgin CD signing in New York in 2001 where I had a bit more time with him. Most of the times it was just asking him about his day, about the event or place he was going to or had been to, or asking him about the children, did they have fun at the place they had been to.
Ah ok, I just though of Navi as he was in Santa Marie and outside the court the same week I was thereIt was Kenny Wizz, a Las Vegas-based tribute artist. There are pictures on Getty Images of him dressed in a MJ court suit replica standing at the courthouse fence with the other fans. There is also another picture of him talking with the police/ security guards there. He had toured America, Asia, Australia and New Zealand.
Navi had met Michael Jackson and had been a stand-in for him when Michael was chased by big crowds - like his decoy, so to speak.
The entire Virgin cd signing event was live streamed ion MTV so thats why there is a full recording of it. My friends who could not come to New York were watching it live and would sent us texts when they spotted us queuing around the shop before meeting Michael. MTV would break from the live stream every so often to show a montage of Michaels music videos. Unfortunately they cut to a montage of Dangerous album music videos right before we got to the table where Michael was, so we were not filmed meeting him. In a way Im glad our meeting with Michael was not filmed. It was a private moment just for us, and I have the memories. And even more so now, Im glad it was private after seeing how over the years fans dissect that footage and spread such rumours and lies about things Michaels said to fans.There is a video on Youtube of the entire Virgin CD signing event. Do you know if you are in the video, by any chance?
Could be... I think not for me, but there are various individual reasons, of course.I might have explained my thought in not the best way possible, sorry. What I mean is not being interested in celebs like you want to meet every single Brad Pitt in Hollywood, no. I mean that the abstract feeling of wanting to be close to something big is sometimes the answer to some inner needs.
This too, but after winning against him in a horse raceYeah, can relate to that. (English is my third language, so totally understand)
Can relate to this as wellOnly I would maybe like to talk about books, cinema, theatre and some spiritual or philosophical stuff next to a fireplace
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