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What titles do we know of when it comes to song outtakes from the Jackson 5 and Michael?

I think I have only heard the 1973 and the updated mix of the 1984 version of “you really got a hold on me”.
So there is a 1969 version?
 
filmandmusic said:
I think I have only heard the 1973 and the updated mix of the 1984 version of “you really got a hold on me”.
So there is a 1969 version?
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Yes, it was released on the collection MOTOWN SINGS MOTOWN TREASURES in 1998. It was only released in a MONO mix. It is the basis of the same track that was released on MOTOWN UNRELEASED 1969 but the version on there had Bobby Taylor singing lead with the J5 doing backgrounds. The one released in 1998 had MJ doing the lead.
 
mjjcn1432 said:
I hope Motown can use yet unreleased materials to release a second Christmas album (given there are so many leftovers), the Stevie Wonder produced album and a covers album. But of course I hope they can release more albums with unreleased music ;)
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I emailed Keith Hughes about Jackson 5 Christmas outtakes and he says he couldn't find any in the vault.

I think it must just be a rumour. If they had an abundance of Christmas outtakes I think Motown would either have released a second Christmas album based on how well the first one sold or the outtakes would have surfaced on the Ultimate Christmas collection in 2009.
 
jaorecords said:
I put this list together about 10 years ago of all the J5 era sessions. It does not list the Christmas Album sessions although those took place around July or August of 1970.

MAY 1969
Stand!
Listen I'll Tell You How
Oh, I've Been Bless'd (14th)
To Sir With Love
Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah (through October)

JUNE 1969
Standing In The Shadows Of Love
I'm Your Sunny One (Sunny Boy)
Born To Love You

JULY 1969
I Want You Back
(I Know) I'm Losing You
After You Leave Girl
Can You Remember (10th & 15th)
You've Changed (19th & 29th)
Who's Lovin' You (19th, 24th & 29th)
Reach Out I'll Be There
My Cherie Amour
You've Really Got A Hold On Me (30th)

AUGUST 1969

What’s So Good About Goodbye (2nd for vocals)
It's Your Thing (7th)
Chained
Since I Lost My Baby
La La (Means I Love You)
Nobody

DECEMBER 1969
ABC
I Was Made To Love Her

JANUARY 1970
One More Chance
I Got A Sure Thing
I Hear A Symphony
You Ain't Giving Me What I Want (So I'm Gonna Take It All Back) (8th)
I Found That Girl
Keep An Eye
I'll Bet You (through February)

FEBRUARY 1970
Lavender Blue
Don't Let Your Baby Catch You
We Can Have Fun (11th)
True Love Can Be Beautiful (11th)
A Fool For You (12th)
Man's Temptation (12th)
Money Honey
Don't Know Why I Love You
Honey Chile
The Young Folks
Twenty-Five Miles
Movin'
2-4-6-8 (through March)

MARCH 1970
Never Had A Dream Come True
That's How Love Is
(Come 'Round Here) I'm The Only One You Need
Come And Get It (Love's On The Fire)
The Love You Save

APRIL 1970
How Funky Is Your Chicken (through May)
Ask The Lonely
Goin' Back To Indiana (through May)

MAY 1970
The Love I Saw In You Was Just A Mirage
Everybody Is A Star
Oh How Happy
Darling Dear (24th)

JUNE 1970
Bridge Over Troubled Water
Love Comes In Different Flavors
Ready Or Not (Here I Come)
One Day I'll Marry You
Never Can Say Goodbye
Give Me Half A Chance
Mama Told Me Not To Come
Can I See You In The Morning
After The Storm
I'll Be There (through July)

JULY 1970
Reach In
Iddinit
Mama's Pearl

AUGUST 1970
Jamie
Petals
If The Shoe Don't Fit
Just A Little Misunderstanding
The Wall (through September)

DECEMBER 1970
16 Candles

JANUARY 1971
I Will Find A Way
I Ain't Gonna Eat Out My Heart Anymore
My Little Baby
She's Good
Someone's Standing In My Love Light
It's Great To Be Here (through February)

FEBRUARY 1971
If You Want Heaven
(We've Got) Blue Skies
Just Because I Love You
Maybe Tomorrow

MAY 1971
I Like You The Way You Are (Don't Change Your Love On Me)
Feelin' Alright (studio version)

JUNE 1971
Got To Be There (through July)

JULY 1971
Maria (You Were The Only One) (through September)

OCTOBER 1971
I've Gotta Be Me
I'm So Happy
Rockin' Robin
Little Bitty Pretty One
You Can't Hurry Love
Sugar Daddy
Penny Arcade
I Can Only Give You Love (through December)
Love Call
Children Of The Light (through January)
Be My Girl
Ain't Nothin' Like The Real Thing (through January)
You Better Watch Out
E-Ne-Me-Ne-Mi-Ni-Moe (The Choice Is Yours To Pull) (through April)

NOVEMBER 1971
Wings Of My Love
I Wanna Be Where You Are
Coming Home
You've Got A Friend
You Can Cry On My Shoulder
Ain't No Sunshine
Lulu
Girl Don't Take Your Love From Me

DECEMBER 1971
That's What Love Is Made Of
We've Got A Good Thing Going
Doctor My Eyes
In Our Small Way
If I Have To Move A Moutain (through January)
Love Is Here And Now You're Gone
Lookin' Through The Windows (through January)
What Goes Around Comes Around (through February 1972)
We're The Music Makers

JANUARY 1972
Ben
That's How Love Goes
My Girl (through February)
Don't Want To See Tomorrow (through April)
Everybody's Somebody's Fool (through February)
People Make The World Go 'Round (through February)

FEBRUARY 1972
Love's Gone Bad (Early Version)
Shoo-Be-Doo-Be-Doo-Dah-Day
Going My Way (through March)
Greatest Show On Earth

MARCH 1972
Makin' Life A Little Easier For You
Music And Me
Love Song
With A Child's Heart
To Know
When I Come Of Age
Up On The Roof

APRIL 1972
Corner Of The Sky (through May)
Keep Off The Grass
You Made Me What I Am (through August)

AUGUST 1972
Lonely Teardrops
I'm Glad It Rained
Happy
Love's Gone Bad
Can't Get Ready For Losing You
Skywriter (through October)
Let's Have A Party
Too Young (through November)
Touch (through November)
Doggin' Around (through November)
Love Scenes
Euphoria (through December)

OCTOBER 1972
Our Love
World Of Sunshine (through November)

NOVEMBER 1972
She Say Want
Little Christmas Tree
Ooh, I'd Love To Be With You
If I Can't Nobody Can
Love Is The Thing You Need
Hallelujah Day (through January)
Teenage Symphony (through April 1973)

DECEMBER 1972
Up Again (started in March)
Uppermost (started in August)
I'll Try You'll Try (Maybe We'll All Get By)
Would Ya Would Ya Baby
Who's Lookin' For A Lover
The Boogie Man (through January)
All The Things You Are (through January)

JANUARY 1973
I Can't Quit Your Love
Melodie (15th)
Johnny Raven (through March)

FEBRUARY 1973
Love Trip (through March)

MARCH 1973
Morning Glow (started in December)
Jumbo Sam (started in February)

APRIL 1973
To Make My Father Proud (11th)
If'N I Was God
Dancing Machine (through May)
Reflections (through May)

MAY 1973
Label Me Love
Don't Say Goodbye Again
Pride And Joy
Get It Together
Hum Along And Dance

JUNE 1973
Here I Am (Come And Take Me) (6th)
Mama I Gotta Brand New Thing (Don't Say No)
You've Really Got A Hold On Me (11th)
If I Don't Love You This Way (MJ solo vocals)(J5 background rec. March 1974)
Touch The One You Love (14th)
You Need Love Like I Do (Don't You) (through July)
Let's Go Back To Day One (started April 1972)
Make Tonight All Mine (through July)
It's Too Late To Change The Time (through July)

JULY 1973
What You Don't Know (solo MJ vocal)(MJ adlibs recorded December 1973)
Whatever You Got, I Want (MJ's solo vocals)(J5 backgrounds rec. March 1974)

AUGUST 1973
Farwell My Summer Love (31st)
Girl You're So Together (31st)
Don't Let It Get You Down (31st)

SEPTEMBER 1973
Call On Me (4th)

DECEMBER 1973
I Can't Get Enough Of You
Window Shopping (8th)
You're Good For Me
I'll Come Home To You

JANUARY 1974
Cupid
Lucky Day (through February)

MARCH 1974
Joyful Jukebox Music
We're Here To Entertain You

APRIL 1974
It All Begins And Ends With Love
The Life Of The Party (through July)
She's A Rhythm Child (through July)

MAY 1974
The Eternal Light
Buttercup
The Mirrors Of My Mind (through June)

JUNE 1974
I Am Love

OCTOBER 1974
Time Explosion
Call Of The Wild
Take Me Back
Honey Love (through February 1975)
Just A Little Bit Of You
Breezy (through February 1975)
We've Got Forever
(You Were Made) Especially For Me (through February 1975)
Moving Violation (through March 1975)

NOVEMBER 1974
Dapper Dan
Cinderella Stay Awhile
Through Thick And Thin
You Are There

DECEMBER 1974
One Day In Your Life
You're My Best Friend, My Love
Dear Michael
We're Almost There

FEBRUARY 1975
All I Do Is Think Of You
We're Gonna Change Our Style
Body Language (Do The Love Dance)

MARCH 1975
Forever Came Today
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To this day, I'm still shocked how easily you were able to come up with this. How'd you manage to find out when they were recorded?
 
Thanks to this thread, I finally managed to listen to every Motown song and I discovered a lot of gems that I’m sure I’ll be listening to again.
 
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SeriousFX said:
To this day, I'm still shocked how easily you were able to come up with this. How'd you manage to find out when they were recorded?
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Well I started with all the dates that had been officially listed and mentioned in CD booklets. For instance, a lot of the tracks on SOULSATION had the recording dates attached. Same thing with FAREWELL MY SUMMER LOVE. All the dates were listed. If you start with the dates listed and put them in that sequence you can start to determine with your ears which other tracks were recorded around the same time depending on the level of pitch and sound in MJs voice. Also you have live shows to use as a comparison point including the two Live at the Forum concerts and the Live in Japan album. All of those have the dates listed. You can tell which songs were recorded around those if you listen closely to the voice and timbre. I have been studying MJs young voice for 30 years now so I am very tuned to every slight nuance and change month to month. Sure, I am sure I have some of the months wrong but based on the info that was released I think my list is very close to what the real list actually is. In some cases I am going with my best educated guess. When I did the original list back in the mid 2000's I spent weeks analyzing tracks, listening to tracks side to side to listen to comparisons. Also, some of the write ups in the CD booklets over the years have also given info. I remember the booklet to BOOGIE in 2004 mentions that ONE DAY I'LL MARRY YOU is from the same sessions that produced NEVER CAN SAY GOODBYE. Also I believe in LOOKING BACK TO YESTERDAY it mentions that GIVE ME HALF A CHANCE Is from the NEVER CAN SAY GOODBYE sessions also. I took all those pieces of info and compiled them into a master list. The same thing with the SOULSATION booklet. Lots of info there. Bobby Taylor discusses how he was cutting some very soulful tracks with the J5 and was fired during the session for MONEY HONEY. So using that info and that A FOOL FOR YOU was listed in February 1970 I could easily assume that MAN'S TEMPTATION was from that same session followed by MONEY HONEY. It's using all the little puzzle pieces of info that have come out over the years to compile a final list.
 
jaorecords said:
This is the list I made using that other list when I was compiling my mp3 disc to burn.
Although I have never seen proof of it, I think there was possibly going to be a full album called SUGAR DADDY that would have come out at the end of 71 or early 72 but they kept recording and it eventually was released as LOOKING THROUGH THE WINDOWS and the song "Sugar Daddy" ended up on the GREATEST HITS album. In this list I split those sessions based on the dates into the SUGAR DADDY sessions and the LOOKING THROUGH THE WINDOWS sessions.

These collections can be made and listened to on streaming sites as playlists with the exception of a few tracks listed that are still "unreleased" but have leaked (To Sir With Love, Lavender Blue, I've Gotta Be Me, After The Storm, Be My Girl, She Say Want). Every other track is available on streaming.

I use YOUTUBE MUSIC because you are able to upload tracks into the system and listen to them alongside what is in their system. That is how I listen to these playlists with the leaked unreleased material

FIRST SESSIONS (23 songs)
  • Stand
  • Listen, I’ll Tell you How
  • Oh, I’ve Been Bless’d
  • To Sir With Love (UNRELEASED)
  • Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah
  • Standing In the Shadows Of Love
  • I’m Your Sunny One (Sunny Boy)
  • Born To Love You
  • I Want You Back
  • (I Know) I’m Losing You
  • After You Leave Girl
  • Can You Remember
  • You’ve Changed
  • Who’s Lovin’ You
  • Reach Out I’ll Be There
  • My Cherie Amour
  • You’ve Really Got A Hold On Me
  • What’s So Good About Goodbye
  • It’s Your Thing
  • Chained
  • Since I Lost My Baby
  • La La (Means I Love You)
  • Nobody


ABC SESSIONS (27 songs)
  • ABC
  • I Was Made To Love Her
  • One More Chance
  • I Got A Sure Thing
  • I Hear A Symphony
  • You Ain’t Giving Me What I Want (So I’m Gonna Take it All Back)
  • I Found That Girl
  • Keep An Eye
  • I’ll Be You
  • Lavender Blue (UNRELEASED)
  • Don’t Let Your Baby Catch You
  • We Can Have Fun
  • True Love Can Be Beautiful
  • A Fool For You
  • Man’s Temptation
  • Money Honey
  • Don’t Know Why I Love You
  • Honey Chile
  • The Young Folks
  • Twenty-Five Miles
  • Movin’
  • 2-4-6-8
  • Never Had A Dream Come True
  • That’s How Love Is
  • (Come Round Here) I’m The Only One You Need
  • Come And Get It (Love’s On The Fire)
  • The Love You Save

THIRD ALBUM SESSIONS (20 songs)
  • How Funky Is Your Chicken
  • Ask The Lonely
  • Going Back To Indiana
  • The Love I Saw In Your Was Just A Mirage
  • Everybody Is A Star
  • Oh How Happy
  • Darling Dear
  • Bridge Over Troubled Water
  • Love Comes In Different Flavors
  • Ready Or Not (Here I Come)
  • One Day I’ll Marry You
  • Never Can Say Goodbye
  • Give Me Half A Chance
  • Mama Told Me Not To Come
  • Can I See You In The Morning
  • After The Storm (UNRELEASED)
  • I’ll Be There
  • Reach In
  • Iddinit
  • Mama’s Pearl


MAYBE TOMORROW SESSIONS (16 songs)
  • Jamie
  • Petals
  • If The Shoe Don’t Fit
  • Just A Little Misunderstanding
  • The Wall
  • 16 Candles
  • I Will Find A Way
  • I Ain’t Gonna Eat Out My Heart Anymore
  • My Little Baby
  • She’s Good
  • Someone’s Standing In My Lovelight
  • It’s Great To Be Here
  • If You Want Heaven
  • (We’ve Got) Blue Skies
  • Just Because I Love You
  • Maybe Tomorrow
SUGAR DADDY SESSIONS (26 Songs)
  • I Like You The Way You Are (Don’t Change Your Love On Me)
  • Feelin’ Alright
  • Got To Be There
  • Maria (You Were The Only One)
  • I’ve Gotta Be Me (UNRELEASED)
  • I’m So Happy
  • Rockin’ Robin
  • Little Bitty Pretty One
  • You Can’t Hurry Love
  • Sugar Daddy
  • Penny Arcade
  • I Can Only Give You Love
  • Love Call
  • Children Of The Light
  • Be My Girl (UNRELEASED)
  • Ain’t Nothin’ Like The Real Thing
  • You Better Watch Out
  • E-Ne-Me-Ne-Mi-Ni-Moe
  • Wings Of My Love
  • I Wanna Be Where You Are
  • Coming Home
  • You’ve Got A Friend
  • You Can Cry On My Shoulder
  • Ain’t No Sunshine
  • Lulu
  • Girl Don’t Take Your Love From Me


LOOKING THROUGH THE WINDOWS SESSIONS (26 Songs)
  • That’s What Love Is Made Of
  • We’ve Got A Good Thing Going
  • Doctor My Eyes
  • In Our Small Way
  • If I Have To Move A Mountain
  • Love Is Here And Now You’re Gone
  • Lookin’ Through The Windows
  • What Goes Around Comes Around
  • We’re The Music Makers
  • Ben
  • That’s How Love Goes
  • My Girl
  • Don’t Want To See Tomorrow
  • Everybody’s Somebody’s Food
  • People Make The World Go ‘Round
  • Love’s Gone Bad (Early Version)
  • Shoo-Be-Doo-Be-Do-Dah-Day
  • Going My Way
  • Greatest Show On Earth
  • Makin’ Life A Little Easier For You
  • Music And Me
  • Love Song
  • With A Child’s Heart
  • To Know
  • When I Come Of Age
  • Up On The Roof

SKYWRITER SESSIONS (37 songs)
  • Corner Of The Sky
  • Keep Off The Grass
  • You Made Me What I Am
  • Lonely Teardrops
  • I’m Glad It Rained
  • Happy
  • Love’s Gone Bad
  • Can’t Get Ready For Losing You
  • Skywriter
  • Let’s Have A Party
  • Too Young
  • Touch
  • Doggin’ Around
  • Love Scenes
  • Euphoria
  • Our Love
  • World Of Sunshine
  • She Say Want (UNRELEASED)
  • Little Christmas Tree
  • Ooh, I’d Love To Be With You
  • If I Can’t Nobody Can
  • Love Is The Thing You Need
  • Hallelujah Day
  • Teenage Symphony
  • Up Again
  • Uppermost
  • I’ll Try You’ll Try (Maybe We’ll All Get By)
  • Would Ya Would Ya Baby
  • Who’s Lookin’ For A Lover
  • The Boogie Man
  • All The Things You Are
  • I Can’t Quit Your Love
  • Melodie
  • Johnny Raven
  • Love Trip
  • Morning Glow
  • Jumbo Sam


GET IT TOGETHER SESSIONS (20 songs)
  • To Make My Father Proud
  • If’N I Was God
  • Dancing Machine
  • Relfections
  • Label Me Love
  • Don’t Say Goodbye Again
  • Pride And Joy
  • Get It Together
  • Hum Along And Dance
  • Here I Am (Come And Take Me)
  • Mama I Gotta Brand New Thing (Don’t Say No)
  • You’ve Reallly Got A Hold On Me
  • If I Don’t Love You This Way
  • Touch The One You Love
  • You Need Love Like I Do (Don’t You)
  • Let’s Go Back To Day One
  • Make Tonight All Mine
  • It’s Too Late To Change The Time
  • What You Don’t Know
  • Whatever You Got, I Want

DANCING MACHINE SESSIONS (19 Songs)
  • Farewell My Summer Love
  • Girl You’re So Together
  • Don’t Let It Get You Down
  • Call On Me
  • I Can’t Get Enough Of You
  • Window Shopping
  • You’re Good For Me
  • I’ll Come Home To You
  • Cupid
  • Lucky Day
  • Joyful Jukebox Music
  • We’re Here To Entertain You
  • It All Begins And Ends With Love
  • The Life Of The Party
  • She’s A Rhythm Child
  • The Eternal Light
  • Buttercup
  • The Mirrors Of My Mind
  • I Am Love

THE FINAL SESSIONS (21 songs)
  • Time Explosion
  • Call Of The Wild
  • Take Me Back
  • Honey Love
  • Just A Little Bit Of You
  • Breezy
  • We’ve Got Forever
  • (You Were Made) Especially For Me
  • Moving Violation
  • Dapper Dan
  • Cinderella Stay Awhile
  • Through Thick And Thin
  • You Are There
  • One Day In Your Life
  • You’re My Best Friend, My Love
  • Dear Michael
  • We’re Almost There
  • All I Do Is Think Of You
  • We’re Gonna Change Our Style
  • Body Language (Do The Love Dance)
  • Forever Came Today
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I had always suspected that Don't Let You Baby Catch You had actually been recorded during Diana Ross Presents or ABC sessions. So it would be ABC. Thanks.

Where did all this info come from? (<-- EDIT: OK, you apparently replied to this question at the same time I was writing.)


jaorecords said:
  • Everybody’s Somebody’s Food
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Yes, also know as Dog Eats Dog ;-)
 
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Thatkliqkid said:
I emailed Keith Hughes about Jackson 5 Christmas outtakes and he says he couldn't find any in the vault.

I think it must just be a rumour. If they had an abundance of Christmas outtakes I think Motown would either have released a second Christmas album based on how well the first one sold or the outtakes would have surfaced on the Ultimate Christmas collection in 2009.
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Yes, I asked Harry Weigner that same question years ago and he also mentioned there was no unreleased Christmas outtakes in the vault. I'm not sure where that info ever came from listing all those tracks. Where was the source for that?
 
jaorecords said:
Yes, I asked Harry Weigner that same question years ago and he also mentioned there was no unreleased Christmas outtakes in the vault. I'm not sure where that info ever came from listing all those tracks. Where was the source for that?
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Now that I know for sure, I've removed the Christmas sessions from the list. Thanks for the info!
 
An album fully produced by Bobby Taylor would have been so cool, likewise for Stevie Wonder
 
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