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Will we get unreleased music amid the biopic?

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I know that this is a weird question as the biopic would probably not use unreleased music but Michael has (somebody claimed Michael has) 1000-2000 unreleased songs recorded from 1974-2009. I think i'd be wonderful if the estate released unreleased music especially after finding out about the songs found in that storage unit recently. I think the world also needs some real music and Michael's music would bless it. But the estate is annoying so honestly probably not.
 
The way I see it, those are two totally different things.

Think about some of the most famous biopics. They celebrate the successful songs of their subject. Often they're literally named after their biggest hit. The reason is because that's that people expect. Nobody wants to see a film where they don't know any of the songs.

If it was full off obscure stuff like Throwing Your Life Away, the biopic would get critically panned, would be a commercial failure, and the whole thing would be a wasted opportunity. They're only going to get one shot at this.

On the other hand, if you're a fan like us, and you want some unreleased music - yeah, go ahead and give us a brand new album with 20 tracks that are all unreleased.

But don't mix the two. Nobody wants an album that's half Thriller and Billie Jean, half remixes, half demos, and half live stuff. That would be a confusing mess that would be hard to listen to.
 
whyyouwannatrip said:
(somebody claimed Michael has) 1000-2000 unreleased songs recorded from 1974-2009
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To be honest, that's bullshit. A vastly exaggerated claim. Do the math, that's like a song every 6 days, lol.

MJ was a perfectionist, it took him 5 years to finish 10 songs for an album. And by my count, in that period he was on tour for about 86 months (7 years), so he's not gonna be recording much then. Then take off the time for when he claimed to have laryngitis and other illnesses. Not to mention having a rest/vacation.

There's simply nowhere near the time for MJ to have recorded 2000 songs. It's just the estate telling lies again.
 
Just put in some hot street :cool:
 
applešŸŽ said:
If you mean Invincible or Bad, he didn't record only 10 songs for either and we know that very well.
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If you mean recording 20 songs for a 15-song album, then sure. Every artist does that. They're usually released at the time, as B-sides.

All I'm saying is that 2000 songs is a ludicrous number. Absolutely laughable. It's simply false.

Anybody who genuinely believes MJ finished recording an average of one song every 5 days in his life is mistaken, and has been taken in by hype and marketing nonsense.
 
R1chard said:
If you mean recording 20 songs for a 15-song album, then sure. Every artist does that. They're usually released at the time, as B-sides.

All I'm saying is that 2000 songs is a ludicrous number. Absolutely laughable. It's simply false.

Anybody who genuinely believes MJ finished recording an average of one song every 5 days in his life is mistaken, and has been taken in by hype and marketing nonsense.
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I always say Michael has no more than 6 songs fully complete for every album.

I still laugh at Quincy saying they went through 800 songs to get 9 for Thriller
 
Yeah, thereā€™s nowhere near 1,000. I could buy that MJ worked on 500-600 over the course of his entire adult career, but thatā€™s including instrumentals, songs that never made it past the lyric writing stage, etc.
 
yeah i thought so, Bill Bottrell and Bruce Swedien were the ones who claimed that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unreleased_songs_recorded_by_Michael_Jackson
R1chard said:
To be honest, that's bullshit. A vastly exaggerated claim. Do the math, that's like a song every 6 days, lol.

MJ was a perfectionist, it took him 5 years to finish 10 songs for an album. And by my count, in that period he was on tour for about 86 months (7 years), so he's not gonna be recording much then. Then take off the time for when he claimed to have laryngitis and other illnesses. Not to mention having a rest/vacation.

There's simply nowhere near the time for MJ to have recorded 2000 songs. It's just the estate telling lies again.
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R1chard said:
If you mean recording 20 songs for a 15-song album, then sure. Every artist does that. They're usually released at the time, as B-sides.

All I'm saying is that 2000 songs is a ludicrous number. Absolutely laughable. It's simply false.

Anybody who genuinely believes MJ finished recording an average of one song every 5 days in his life is mistaken, and has been taken in by hype and marketing nonsense.
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I wouldn't be surprised to hear he recorded 50+ tracks for each album.
I know tons of artists who did this in the late 90's/early 2000's.

That said, I read somewhere the biopic makers were allowed to use 3-4 unreleased tracks.
I imagine we will get a single or soundtrack.
 
whyyouwannatrip said:
I know that this is a weird question as the biopic would probably not use unreleased music but Michael has (somebody claimed Michael has) 1000-2000 unreleased songs recorded from 1974-2009. I think i'd be wonderful if the estate released unreleased music especially after finding out about the songs found in that storage unit recently. I think the world also needs some real music and Michael's music would bless it. But the estate is annoying so honestly probably not.
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I heard that Prince said that they were looking at unreleased songs to put in the biopic
 
R1chard said:
If you mean recording 20 songs for a 15-song album, then sure. Every artist does that. They're usually released at the time, as B-sides.

All I'm saying is that 2000 songs is a ludicrous number. Absolutely laughable. It's simply false.
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Didn't MJ himself say that he recorded over 100 songs for each album in Private Home Movies?

I can believe that number because he was not the only artist recording that number of songs. For Invincible especially, where he didn't seem to care that much, he would just warm up his voice, do one take in 5 minutes and then leave the studio. But 100 songs for each album is completely believable. And most artists of that era would do the same. There are the finished songs people sent him and he would just lay down the vocals, there are the collabs where he just laid down the background vocals which would also be interesting for us...

but they're not gonna release them all at once, they need to keep interest on him for the next 100 years, like they do with the Beatles and Elvis.

I dont know if the estate said 1000 songs. That was Tommy Mottola, wasn't it? I think the estate said there wasn't a lot of songs in the vault because they didn't want to pay taxes to the IRS.
 
applešŸŽ said:
Didn't MJ himself say that he recorded over 100 songs for each album in Private Home Movies?

I can believe that number because he was not the only artist recording that number of songs. For Invincible especially, where he didn't seem to care that much, he would just warm up his voice, do one take in 5 minutes and then leave the studio. But 100 songs for each album is completely believable. And most artists of that era would do the same. There are the finished songs people sent him and he would just lay down the vocals, there are the collabs where he just laid down the background vocals which would also be interesting for us...

but they're not gonna release them all at once, they need to keep interest on him for the next 100 years, like they do with the Beatles and Elvis.

I dont know if the estate said 1000 songs. That was Tommy Mottola, wasn't it? I think the estate said there wasn't a lot of songs in the vault because they didn't want to pay taxes to the IRS.
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I mean I heard he had hundreds of of songs he didn't release, and like a couple weeks ago I heard that a former police officer found an abandoned storage unit that had 12 unreleased songs by Michael
 
applešŸŽ said:
Didn't MJ himself say that he recorded over 100 songs for each album in Private Home Movies?
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Again, just because somebody says something it doesn't mean it's true.

How it works is that Quincy exaggerated slightly and said 30 songs per album.

Bruce heard this and then exaggerated some more, saying 50 songs per album.

Michael heard this and then exaggerated some more, saying 100 songs per album.

But it's just a crazy number. It is not true.

But even if it was true for Invincible, that's still only 100 songs in 4 years (ie 25 songs per year, or one every 2 weeks). That's different to a sustained output of a song every 5 days throughout his life. And it's different to the other claim of 300 tracks for each album.
 
R1chard said:
How it works is that Quincy exaggerated slightly and said 30 songs per album.

Bruce heard this and then exaggerated some more, saying 50 songs per album.
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And now we know the songs Quincy worked at Westlake weren't necessarily the same songs worked with Bill and the others... So, a higher number of songs for Bad than what Quincy and Bruce said there is, is it really an oddball number?
 
applešŸŽ said:
is it really an oddball number?
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It's showbusiness - facts don't matter, it's all about impressing people and creating an impact.

Basically, Michael wasn't good with numbers. Who could forget ā€œ3 million children die every minuteā€?!

Exaggeration (aka telling lies) is the name of the game.
 
He WROTE 100 songs for Dangerous.
Thatā€™s what he said at one point during that era.
And thatā€™s easily believable, knowing that he constantly wrote or had ideas for songs that he put on tape..
 
MJJuniorSinceMW said:
He WROTE 100 songs for Dangerous.
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happy days šŸ„³
MJJuniorSinceMW said:
Thatā€™s what he said at one point during that era.
And thatā€™s easily believable, knowing that he constantly wrote or had ideas for songs that he put on tape..
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I remember this too. I only hope is they are all 'finished' pieces of art..... cause we don't want any AI offerings
 
You know, they might just do that. Maybe like 2 or 3 but hey, I think we are happy with whatever we get. (well, most of us are)
 
wendijane said:
happy days šŸ„³

I remember this too. I only hope is they are all 'finished' pieces of art..... cause we don't want any AI offerings
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300 songs is believable if they're all sketches with no real lyrics and just a chorus.

And AI has lost its allure. I pity the fool who's gonna try to make that a thing again (Kanye, actually šŸ«¤)
 
For Dangerous, I typed he WROTE 100 songs.
WROTE in capitals, because imo itā€™s very probable that he WROTE those 100 songs.
He certainly didnā€™t record 100 songs in the studio. And there are certainly no 100 finished songs for Dangerous alone.
 
@mjfanatic777 said:
You know, they might just do that. Maybe like 2 or 3 but hey, I think we are happy with whatever we get. (well, most of us are)
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I'd be happy if they released songs we've already heard like Chicago 1945 and If you don't love me. I'd also like it if there would be an official release of Faces. I think that the instrumentals that were done are phenomenal with the icing on the cake, the spoken intro. The spoken intro to me is really heartfelt and meaningful that it almost feels wrong it hasn't already been officially released.
 
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