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Whoa...interesting thread...and long. I have a bajillion quotes I want to agree with and/or disagree with so please bear with me. Sorry. That's what I get for coming in to a 12 page thread for the first time. eek!
Intertesting list...although I'm not sure what song would fit Amy Winehouse from the album. The other 3 I can see on various songs but I'll have to give it a bit more thought cuz I haven't had a chance to really think nor has this thread really gone over many options. It's been mainly discussion about whether the project is worthy or not.
I do want to agree with everybody who says that a release like this is good from the perspective of making money for the company AND Michael as well as bringing the music to the current generation who may have overlooked it is a good idea. I think T25 proved that theory to be correct as most big fans already owned the CD and the other re-releases. So SOMEBODY other than us diehards bought that record. My guess is it brought the music back to those who had forgotten about it and or were getting reintroduced to it via their favorite artists (Will, Kanye, Akon and Fergie).
Completely agree. I don't think everything released that's MJ-related HAS to be for dieheard fans. Sometimes he and Sony have to think about targeting others. I don't see it as an insult at all. Everybody deserves a slice of the Michaelness. We just have to wait our turn (i.e. new and/or unreleased material).
Exactly, from a business standpoint, the T25 CDs sold, on average, around $10-15 at it's cheapest (not the deluxe) versions. And if you go by the cheapest price alone, 3 million records at $10 a pop is 30 million dollars...for a re-re-release....25 years old. Not shabby at all if you focus on the bottom line. AND because of the artists who appeared on the remixes and the Thrillicious commercial, people were exposed to greatness they had forgotten or missed. Not bad, IMHO for a little work...and effective.
Well said. :flowers:
I was thinking the same thing. :lol: Only I was thinking in terms of frustration fans felt when the T25 project was announced. It was the same doubt, the same justifications, the same...everything. Yet, here we go again. I think people just want what they want and don't really see beyond that...which, if you really think about it, can be a hinderance. Imagine the T25 project getting pulled becuz fans on these boards were outraged and thought it was a terrible idea and degrading for MJ's legacy, yada yada. Again, 3 MILLION copies sold. If OTW30 sells even half of that, it's 10-15 million dollars in Sony and MJ's pocket for not so much work. And then there's the exposure to the new fans of the artists who end up doing the remixes. The only way this project can suck or fail is if the remixes are just godawful. And I would hope Michael is involved at some extent to make sure this doesn't happen. These songs are his babies. Please do not let someone murder your babies...even for what some may see as an insignificant remix. I hope he has final say about all this as he did with the T25 remixes. That would make me feel better about it, not that I think the originals can be harmed by a bad remix. I just feel, if anything, the remixes should complement or enhance the orginals in a different way.
There are other artists like Christina Aguilera and Pink from that era who have had staying power. It's a crapshoot basically. Lots of very talented artists who should still be around in the forefront today have fallen off the radar or gotten lost in the shuffle, NOT becuz they were never really talented to begin with, but for other reasons. There are no guarantees in any business where creativity and business have to mix as not all the "business people" value genuine creativity. What can you do?
I agree with you, but I think some are taking these decisions personally. It's personal because 1) they don't like a particular artist and the idea that MJ may work with them or allow that person to put any kind of stamp on his music is practically apocolyptic and 2) they don't want to hear about MJ spending time doing anything else but working on new music and releasing that. They fear a project like this gets in the way of new music. There are some other posts below to dispute that tho.
Bingo....although I still wouldnt' hold my breath. :lol: Who knows how many times Michael has scrapped full albums he thought were ready to go in order to add something, tweak something, take something out...which may have completely changed the focus of the album...meaning he had to start all over again. Several times we've heard that this new album was finished and singles were coming and videos were being rehearsed for and made....yet *the sound of crickets*. So, I don't think we can really guess anything anymore. Let's not even think about the leaks that could bring a project to a halt. Lawd! :bugeyed I honestly believe these side projects don't deter him at all. It's all about when he feels ready to do something and if he's allowed to do it in the way he would like. Too bad about the HMH leak. We could have been rolling in new MJ music right now. :weeping:
I did. I already had the other songs and special editions. For All Time was the other reason I bought it even tho I'd already heard the song on the internet. I can appreciate the different versions of the songs. Fergie's Beat It is still the least of my faves but I don't hate it nor do I think it ruined my love of the original. No harm, no foul...only dollars in Sony and Michael's pockets...and I had no problem with that while exercising my free will.
I think Michael got a jump on the promotion already. Remember those 2 visits to the Off the Wall antique store. All he has to do is turn up at that place every two weeks like he does the dermatologist (sans the cap and the mask tho) and that could promo in itself. lol You know those pix will travel the net faster than a speeding bullet. Free PR to boot. :lol: Maybe another interview about the making of the album (like the Ebony one for T25) could work. You know we'd buy anything with a new photoshoot and fresh pix. lol
It would be more free PR that Michael doesn't have to do himself (as long as they keep it positive)...not to mention the fans of those folks might be excited to buy OTW30 just to have another song by their fave artist. Man, here comes that dejavu moment again. I know I've said this before...over a year ago. :scratch:
Sifa_Dias and akonmj, I'm just going to say I agree with all your posts. If I quote them all, my post will be longer than it already is. So...Great posts, guys. :flowers:
mj_brainiac, I disagree with all your posts, same as I did for T25. :lol: HOWEVER, I do want to say you do have some very creative ideas for MJ projects. I just feel sometimes your projects are geared more towards ppl who are already big fans, for our appreciation, and not so much towards expanding MJ's appeal to a wider audience. That may not be important to you, but MAYBE it's important to MJ and others...at this point? We already love and appreciate his artistry. Perhaps they're just trying to net more of that from others. There's no harm in that, is it? :worried:
Agree. I'm open to it as well. I think it would be cool to see a movie that's been scored by MJ...or a full soundtrack album. It's like that one thing missing from his catalog...and an unplugged album.
:flowers:
Oy I'm tired now so i'll just say I also agree with bobmoo79's posts as well.
Great thread. It would be nice to see some ideas about which artists could sing which songs though...maybe even suggestions of artists not necessarily on the dream list. I'll think about this and be back to add my penny worth.
Intertesting list...although I'm not sure what song would fit Amy Winehouse from the album. The other 3 I can see on various songs but I'll have to give it a bit more thought cuz I haven't had a chance to really think nor has this thread really gone over many options. It's been mainly discussion about whether the project is worthy or not.
I do want to agree with everybody who says that a release like this is good from the perspective of making money for the company AND Michael as well as bringing the music to the current generation who may have overlooked it is a good idea. I think T25 proved that theory to be correct as most big fans already owned the CD and the other re-releases. So SOMEBODY other than us diehards bought that record. My guess is it brought the music back to those who had forgotten about it and or were getting reintroduced to it via their favorite artists (Will, Kanye, Akon and Fergie).
Completely agree. I don't think everything released that's MJ-related HAS to be for dieheard fans. Sometimes he and Sony have to think about targeting others. I don't see it as an insult at all. Everybody deserves a slice of the Michaelness. We just have to wait our turn (i.e. new and/or unreleased material).
Exactly, from a business standpoint, the T25 CDs sold, on average, around $10-15 at it's cheapest (not the deluxe) versions. And if you go by the cheapest price alone, 3 million records at $10 a pop is 30 million dollars...for a re-re-release....25 years old. Not shabby at all if you focus on the bottom line. AND because of the artists who appeared on the remixes and the Thrillicious commercial, people were exposed to greatness they had forgotten or missed. Not bad, IMHO for a little work...and effective.
who says all the albums are being reissued, listen Thriller and off the wall are special albums, Im not saying the others arent but these hold dear in many fans hearts, one being the biggest album of all time, the other being most MJ fans favourite as well as all the aspiring singers, musicians who grew up on Michaels music.
Who knows about the new album but why not release this while we wait
Well said. :flowers:
I was thinking the same thing. :lol: Only I was thinking in terms of frustration fans felt when the T25 project was announced. It was the same doubt, the same justifications, the same...everything. Yet, here we go again. I think people just want what they want and don't really see beyond that...which, if you really think about it, can be a hinderance. Imagine the T25 project getting pulled becuz fans on these boards were outraged and thought it was a terrible idea and degrading for MJ's legacy, yada yada. Again, 3 MILLION copies sold. If OTW30 sells even half of that, it's 10-15 million dollars in Sony and MJ's pocket for not so much work. And then there's the exposure to the new fans of the artists who end up doing the remixes. The only way this project can suck or fail is if the remixes are just godawful. And I would hope Michael is involved at some extent to make sure this doesn't happen. These songs are his babies. Please do not let someone murder your babies...even for what some may see as an insignificant remix. I hope he has final say about all this as he did with the T25 remixes. That would make me feel better about it, not that I think the originals can be harmed by a bad remix. I just feel, if anything, the remixes should complement or enhance the orginals in a different way.
There are other artists like Christina Aguilera and Pink from that era who have had staying power. It's a crapshoot basically. Lots of very talented artists who should still be around in the forefront today have fallen off the radar or gotten lost in the shuffle, NOT becuz they were never really talented to begin with, but for other reasons. There are no guarantees in any business where creativity and business have to mix as not all the "business people" value genuine creativity. What can you do?
I agree with you, but I think some are taking these decisions personally. It's personal because 1) they don't like a particular artist and the idea that MJ may work with them or allow that person to put any kind of stamp on his music is practically apocolyptic and 2) they don't want to hear about MJ spending time doing anything else but working on new music and releasing that. They fear a project like this gets in the way of new music. There are some other posts below to dispute that tho.
Bingo....although I still wouldnt' hold my breath. :lol: Who knows how many times Michael has scrapped full albums he thought were ready to go in order to add something, tweak something, take something out...which may have completely changed the focus of the album...meaning he had to start all over again. Several times we've heard that this new album was finished and singles were coming and videos were being rehearsed for and made....yet *the sound of crickets*. So, I don't think we can really guess anything anymore. Let's not even think about the leaks that could bring a project to a halt. Lawd! :bugeyed I honestly believe these side projects don't deter him at all. It's all about when he feels ready to do something and if he's allowed to do it in the way he would like. Too bad about the HMH leak. We could have been rolling in new MJ music right now. :weeping:
I did. I already had the other songs and special editions. For All Time was the other reason I bought it even tho I'd already heard the song on the internet. I can appreciate the different versions of the songs. Fergie's Beat It is still the least of my faves but I don't hate it nor do I think it ruined my love of the original. No harm, no foul...only dollars in Sony and Michael's pockets...and I had no problem with that while exercising my free will.
it's a moot point, cus the operative word is 'kaching'. and..how do you know who actually bought it? were you at every counter?
as far as being well promoted, that really doesn't make a difference for Michael, cus he's Michael. Invincible sold well, despite poor sony promotion. as both carson daly and MJ pointed out in that virgin megastore interview, Invicible came out as the number 1 album all over the world.
I think Michael got a jump on the promotion already. Remember those 2 visits to the Off the Wall antique store.
All he has to do is turn up at that place every two weeks like he does the dermatologist (sans the cap and the mask tho) and that could promo in itself. lol You know those pix will travel the net faster than a speeding bullet. Free PR to boot. :lol: Maybe another interview about the making of the album (like the Ebony one for T25) could work. You know we'd buy anything with a new photoshoot and fresh pix. lol It would be more free PR that Michael doesn't have to do himself (as long as they keep it positive)...not to mention the fans of those folks might be excited to buy OTW30 just to have another song by their fave artist. Man, here comes that dejavu moment again. I know I've said this before...over a year ago. :scratch:
Sifa_Dias and akonmj, I'm just going to say I agree with all your posts. If I quote them all, my post will be longer than it already is. So...Great posts, guys. :flowers:
mj_brainiac, I disagree with all your posts, same as I did for T25. :lol: HOWEVER, I do want to say you do have some very creative ideas for MJ projects. I just feel sometimes your projects are geared more towards ppl who are already big fans, for our appreciation, and not so much towards expanding MJ's appeal to a wider audience. That may not be important to you, but MAYBE it's important to MJ and others...at this point? We already love and appreciate his artistry. Perhaps they're just trying to net more of that from others. There's no harm in that, is it? :worried:
Agree. I'm open to it as well. I think it would be cool to see a movie that's been scored by MJ...or a full soundtrack album. It's like that one thing missing from his catalog...and an unplugged album.
:flowers:
Oy I'm tired now so i'll just say I also agree with bobmoo79's posts as well.
Great thread. It would be nice to see some ideas about which artists could sing which songs though...maybe even suggestions of artists not necessarily on the dream list. I'll think about this and be back to add my penny worth.
