[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

HIStory · May 14, 2013

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Petrarose said:
March is a lucky month for Wade. His memories came back in March last year & he sold his condo in March this year. Why did the person pay more than Wade was asking though, unless the sales agent gave the buyer a higher figure?

Something is strange here. Wade files a claim in May, but he didn't know he would be able to get a buyer by March so that he can leave the US, so what was he expecting to do if his home was not sold? Would he leave the US anyway and rent out his condo? Then, after he got a buyer in March & filed in May why was he still hanging around in LA? If he wanted to file & run, why didn't he run away like the next week after filing. Unless he planned to leave LA anyway, & hoped that a quiet May filing would cause the estate to hand over money. Then he would take the money & run to Hawaii.

I expect now that he has 800,000 he could live on that in his new homeland, but wouldn't he have to use that to pay off some of his creditors. They would know he owned a home. Anyway Wade has done what I said he would do--he has moved just like all the other kids moved after they made their claims. The only thing Wade has not done yet is change his name, but he still has time.

Does anyone know the month that Wade found out he was not getting that Cirque job?

I could be wrong but the way I understood the timeline of his house sale:

March 21 he puts it on sale (the same day as when AEG motion to throw out the case gets dismissed and when the Jacksons' motion to ban the mentioning of the allegations in court too got dismissed).

May 7 WR's allegations go public

May 8 WR manages to sell his house - and at a higher price than originally listed.

HIStory · May 14, 2013

analogue;3823157 said:
Just been over to another MJ forum (I won't say which one) and the reaction that some of the ''fans'' on there have to all this is disgusting. Now this other forum wasn't exactly the most pro MJ but i tried to keep cool about it because it did have interesting topics about his music, but now people (Even mods) on that forum are saying that they have they're doubts about Michael and that they think he could have been guilty of past false allegations. That was the last straw for me on that forum. The word ''fan'' in fan forum as official gone.

I just don't get how anyone can listen to MJ's music while thinking that he may have been guilty. If i ever had any doubts (Which i don't) i would have been done with him and his music a long time ago.

I have an idea about which forum that is. IMO some people have serious issues there.

I can understand if the general public is ignorant about the allegations against MJ, because not everyone has to be interested in him. But I can't make the same excuse for fans - especially if they have doubts. Then why don't they actually study the allegations? By studying the cases I'm totally sure MJ never molested Jordan Chandler, Jason Francia and Gavin Arvizo. So even though we have to wait for details I don't think he molested Wade Robson either. He simply was not a child molester.

And why are some "fans" willing to give credit to people who write things like this in their own book?

"Fields and Pellicano already knew Evan was willing to negotiate. Why not pay him off and nip the nightmare in the bud while you've got the opportunity? Especially when you know your man is guilty of sleeping with little boys, at least. Not only do you avoid a civil suit, but also, more important, you buy your way around authorities by removing their star witness. Ten, twenty, thirty million? Money's no object. The deal could be a fait accompli within hours. And if it doesn't work, you can always come out swingin' anyway."

"On the morning of August 17, 1993, as he negotiated with Barry Rothman, Anthony Pellicano had in his possession a copy of the psychiatrists report with the names omitted. He held in his hand the future of the most famous entertainer in human history. Yet the tape is replete with examples of Pellicano refusing to compromise on what would amount to chump change to Jackson. Why take the chance of Michael's name ending up on that report and triggering an investigation?"

“Had Michael paid the twenty million dollars demanded of him in August, rather than the following January, he might have spent the next ten years as the world's most famous entertainer, instead of the world's most infamous child molester.”

(Source: Ray Chandler - All That Glitters)

HIStory · May 14, 2013

Talking about implanting false memories - I always thought Jason Francia might have been a victim of that. His interrogation by the police was the textbook example of how NOT to interrogate a child and improper questioning that can lead to false allegations. Here is how it went down:

Jason Francia

When the police first interviewed Jason Francia in 1993, the only boy claiming abuse by Jackson was the original accuser, Jordan Chandler. The police interviewed dozens of children but could not find any other child willing to corroborate the Chandlers' claims, despite the investigators engaging in questionable methods. This is how they got to Blanca Francia’s then 13-year-old son, Jason, on November 4, 1993 and then again on March 24, 1994. It was the police who initiated the contact, Blanca and Jason Francia never turned to authorities.

To the police, Jason Francia initially denied that Jackson had ever done anything inappropriate to him. He said: "I’ll just say this out flat. I don’t remember him trying anything with me except for the tickling". When the police pressured him to “remember” wrongdoings by Jackson, he maintained: "If I don’t remember, I don’t remember".

At Jackson’s 2005 trial, Jason claimed that he initially denied improprietybecause of embarrassment. However, audio tapes and the police transcripts of his 1993-94 interviews reveal how investigators pressured and lead him to create allegations against the star. In a Motion in opposition to the DA's Motion For Admission Of Alleged Prior Offenses, Jackson’s defense classified these interviews as “textbook examples of improperly suggestive interrogations”.

A paper written by Kenneth E. Blackstone
(http://www.blackstonepolygraph.com/articles/Fallibility_of_Forensic_Interviewing.pdf), a member of the American College of Forensic Examiners International and an expert of sexual offense investigation explains how interviewing methods can make a child’s testimony tainted and unreliable, leading to false allegations. On page 11-12 of his paper, Blackstone lists nine factors which raise suspicion of improper interrogations techniques that can lead to false allegations. Eight of those nine factors can be observed in the interrogations of Jason Francia.

For example, on November 4, 1993, in a police interview, Francia told investigators he did not remember Jackson ever putting his hand anywhere that made him feel uncomfortable. Detective Vincent Neglia was not satisfied with that answer and made it very clear what answer he would be satisfied with, by suggesting to the boy that his memories were wrong and blatantly suggesting what he should “remember”:

Det. Neglia: Okay, but what I am getting at is that maybe I am not being obvious enough. What I am saying is maybe he put his hands someplace on you where he shouldn’t have. Maybe he put his hands on you someplace that made you feel uncomfortable. And that’s why you are not remembering. It's like there is a little bit of "Oh, I can't remember that guy's name and I don't remember his last name, and I just don' remember that. No I don't want to remember that, no I can't remember." It’s a little of bit of a different kind of not remembering, one is because you are choosing not to, and one is that you just can’t call back the uh, the event. And I think of what you doing is tickling and all this stuff, is trying forcing yourself not to remember. And you also kind of got to the one where you're saying that fourth time at the party you said something like, "That was the time." What time was it Jason: What was the time?“

At other times during the interviews investigators lied to the boy and said that other boys, such as Macaulay Culkin, had been molested by Jackson and the only way they could rescue them was if Jason said incriminating things about Jackson.

“Det. Neglia: I realize how hard this is. I realize how painful it is to think of these things you tried so hard not to think about but you are doing fine. And you are also helping the kid that he is bothering now.

Jason Francia: What do you mean he’s bothering?
Det. Birchim: He’s doing the same thing.
Jason Francia: Macaulay Culkin.
Det. Neglia: Only he’s getting a lot more into it. Like your mother pulled you out of there. Macaulay’s mother is not going to pull him out of there. They are feeding him.
Det. Birchim: He’s doing worse stuff.
Det. Neglia: It’s much worse with him.”

They claimed Corey Feldman had drug problems because Jackson molested him:

“Det. Neglia: He’s a junkie now, he gets arrested, he doesn’t act or anything. He gets high. He packs his nose with cocaine and he’s going to die by the time he is 22 years old.
Jason Francia: How old is he?
Det. Neglia: About 21. But that’s the kind of life he is living, and it’s got to do with being exposed to people like this, and having nobody to protect them and to take them out.
Det. Birchim: Like you had your mom.
Det. Neglia: Like your mom pulled you out, and you’re, you’re candid, and you’re (sic) honesty with us is going to help us. To pull the next kid out, it might even be too late for Macauly (sic) already. But these kids that he’s traveling with are on tour right now. Maybe we can pull them out of it… “

Both Culkin and Feldman stated very firmly to authorities and the public alike that Jackson never molested them and never touched them in an inappropriate way.

The investigators referred to Jackson as a “molester” in their interviews with Francia, even though they did not have any evidence against him. They also used derogatory profanity against Jackson, for example, saying: “he makes great music, he’s a great guy, bullshit". At one point, after the investigators told Francia what theythought Jackson did to him, the boy said "Well, I’ll have to work on that". In one of the interviews Francia said: “They [the interrogators] made me come out with a lot more stuff I didn’t want to say. They kept pushing. I wanted to get up and hit them in the head”. In the second interview, on March 24, 1994 Francia indicated he was aware of the fact that another boy (Jordan Chandler) had sued Jackson for money.

In his 1993-94 interviews, after initially denying any wrongdoing by Jackson, Jason Francia gave in to the pressure. Case in point, in 2005, while under cross-examination by Jackson’s lawyer, Thomas Mesereau, he admitted that he said things in those interviews because he “was trying to figure out how to get out of there”:

Q. Remember telling the police, “You guys are pushy”?

A. Yeah. I remember telling the police that.

Q. Okay. And after they kept pushing you, you finally said, “You know, I think he did tickle me,”right?

A. No.

Q. Do you remember that? Do you remember at first saying you didn’t know, and then after --

A. Yeah, I remember saying at first, “I don’t know.”

Q. And after telling the police, “You guys are pushy,” you eventually finally said, “Yes, he tickled me,” right?

A. I believe that’s how it went.

Q. Okay. You kind of went back and forth during the interview, didn’t you? One second you’d say, “He tickled me,” and the next second you’d say you’re not sure, right?

A. I was trying to figure out how to get out of there.

Q. I understand. And you remember exactly how you felt in 1993 during the interview, right?

A. The feeling of, yeah, crying and crappiness.

It was also revealed that after the police’s first interrogation of Jason Francia in 1993 he was sent for therapy with a counselor by the name of Mike Craft. District Attorney Thomas Sneddon was present at least one time in Craft’s office while Jason was there, though Jason could not explain what communication went on between the two men and why Sneddon was there at all. According to an article in USA Today on February 7, 1994, the therapist Jason Francia was sent to was arranged and paid for by the county Sheriff’s office after the boy’s mother expressed concern that Sheriff Deputies had called and met with her son while she was not present.

Here are those factors mentioned by Kenneth Blackstone, which are signs of improper questioning which can lead to false allegations:

- Absence of spontaneous recall; (It's clear that Jason's "recalling" of the alleged abuse was anything but spontaneous. He was basically forced to "remember" things the investigators wanted him to "remember".)

- Interviewer bias against defendant (very clear bias here against MJ)

- a preconceived idea of what the child should be disclosing; (clearly the case here)

- Repeated leading questions; (clearly the case here)

- Multiple interviews; (there were two interviews with Jason)

- Incessant questioning; (clearly the case here)

- Vilification of defendant; (clearly the case here)

- Ongoing contact with peers and references to their statements; (yep, the way how they tell Jason that other kids were molested, even if said kids always denied it)

- Use of threats, bribes and cajoling; and (telling Jason how other kids will be molested if Jason doesn't help them, making him feel guilty)

- Failure to videotape or otherwise document the initial interview sessions. (Well, this is the only point that doesn't apply here - obviously they were obliged by law to record these convesations. Thankfully because so we can know what went on there.)

bouee · May 14, 2013

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

respect77 said:
I don't think AEG will bring up in court this allegation (would be too transparent), but I can still see benefits for them in that it's happening now. It could prejudice the jury against MJ and his family. Also it could send out the message: "See? MJ was plagued by such allegations and continues to be. There's no way he would have made a lot of money if he hadn't died." Plus it could be to teach the Jacksons a lesson (AEG probably doesn't know that they don't care that much about MJ's reputation). Also it can be used as a distraction from the AEG trial.

I'm not saying AEG is definitely behind this, but some things with the timing and the timeline of this are interesting and I can't exclude the possibility.

My thoughts exactly. I think the Cirque explanation is more credible than the AEG explanation. But I definitely agree that if AEG is going to do something like that, they will be doing it very discreetly. Of course they are not going to use it in court (or at least they say so), of course they mention that Michael was aquitted. Their point would not be wether Michael was guilty or not, their point is to show the stress and effect on Michael's income.
The jury is not supposed to use it, but the jury is not sequestered and is not blind/deaf. It is an argument to lessen the damage, and AEG is going to use the allegations in that sense anyway.

elusive moonwalker · May 14, 2013

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

ivy said:
he doesn't need to, that's just to motion to seal hearing.

whats actaully gonna happen on the 6th ivy?

Diplomate · May 14, 2013

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

CherubimII said:
My opinion:
AEG is spreading its MONEY around, and Wade Robson was willing to lie to get a piece of it.
AEG bought Wade's Condo, and AEG must have, also, put additional moneys in a bank account in Hawaii in the name of Wade Robson.

Too easy and too risky for a big company like AEG. Robson could speak at anytime to say, it was AEG who asked me to say that etc.... AEG would be destroy with just that, so no it's not possible. There is something else in this story.

Anyway, nobody believe it, it becomes even boring.

la_cienega · May 14, 2013

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analogue said:
Just been over to another MJ forum (I won't say which one) and the reaction that some of the ''fans'' on there have to all this is disgusting. Now this other forum wasn't exactly the most pro MJ but i tried to keep cool about it because it did have interesting topics about his music, but now people (Even mods) on that forum are saying that they have they're doubts about Michael and that they think he could have been guilty of past false allegations. That was the last straw for me on that forum. The word ''fan'' in fan forum as official gone.

I just don't get how anyone can listen to MJ's music while thinking that he may have been guilty. If i ever had any doubts (Which i don't) i would have been done with him and his music a long time ago.

If it's the site I'm thinking of then the mods there have always thought he was a pedophile, or at least they bring it up enough. None of them have read through court docs or anything regarding the allegations. I avoid the site like the plague.

respect77 said:
I could be wrong but the way I understood the timeline of his house sale:

March 21 he puts it on sale (the same day as when AEG motion to throw out the case gets dismissed and when the Jacksons' motion to ban the mentioning of the allegations in court too got dismissed).

May 7 WR's allegations go public

May 8 WR manages to sell his house - and at a higher price than originally listed.

February 27 - AEG trial to go ahead
March 21 - Judge dismisses AEG's appeal and trial set to go ahead, also the day the judge allowed the allegations to be raised in the trial
March 21 - Wade Robson puts his house up for sale
April 30 - AEG trial begins
May 1 - Wade Robson files his claim against the estate
May 7 - allegations go public
May 8 - sells his LA house for a higher asking price

Naad · May 14, 2013

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Can someone post me the interview of Wade speaking on Jimmy Kemmel again please?

Bonnie Blue · May 14, 2013

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Of course all this publicity over new molestation allegations helps aeg's case (and no i don't believe juries religiously avoid all media, they didn't for a fact in 05 so why now) - goes directly to mj's future career earnings and also who's going to award $$millions for loss of love and companianship to the children of someone who's got these new child molestation allegations against him. It's whether aeg is in anyway directly connected with this new claim, or are just damn lucky. I think it's impossible to argue that the timing of this claim at the beginning a major multibillion lawsuit involving mj's rep is just a coincidence but that could just be robson's lawyers choosing a good time to strike the estate - they are distracted by both this lawsuit and the vegas show.

la_cienega said:
They've gone through this in a very orchestrated way, hired a great lawyer (when did he get his practice again, February? wonder when Wade hired him...), hired a great Doctor to vouch for Wade's repressed memories (the doctor who is vouching for him isn't one who is allowed to have treated him, so we don't know who that is)

Hadn't picked that up before. So it's another miracle worker who discovered these deep seated memories. It would be great if it was carole lieberman. We need to know who the orig doc was and what his reputation was in finding repressed memories and whether he made meticulous records in proving how he brought these memories to the surface without assumptions made or overly suggesting and leading the patient, as i'm sure a reputable doc wd know how controversial these type of cases are. And he can x billion that controversy by knowing it was mj who was the subject of those repressed memories.

Miche · May 14, 2013

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analogue said:
Just been over to another MJ forum (I won't say which one) and the reaction that some of the ''fans'' on there have to all this is disgusting. Now this other forum wasn't exactly the most pro MJ but i tried to keep cool about it because it did have interesting topics about his music, but now people (Even mods) on that forum are saying that they have they're doubts about Michael and that they think he could have been guilty of past false allegations. That was the last straw for me on that forum. The word ''fan'' in fan forum as official gone.

I just don't get how anyone can listen to MJ's music while thinking that he may have been guilty. If i ever had any doubts (Which i don't) i would have been done with him and his music a long time ago.

Analogue, can you please post the video I put up (a few posts back before yours) onto that forum you speak of? It covers a lot of reasons why people don't need to doubt.

Here is the link for you..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu0rRlVDD6A&feature=em-uploademail

ivy · May 14, 2013

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

respect77 said:
I don't think AEG will bring up in court this allegation (would be too transparent), but I can still see benefits for them in that it's happening now. It could prejudice the jury against MJ and his family. Also it could send out the message: "See? MJ was plagued by such allegations and continues to be. There's no way he would have made a lot of money if he hadn't died." Plus it could be to teach the Jacksons a lesson (AEG probably doesn't know that they don't care that much about MJ's reputation). Also it can be used as a distraction from the AEG trial.

I'm not saying AEG is definitely behind this, but some things with the timing and the timeline of this are interesting and I can't exclude the possibility.

the jury was sworn in before this complaint was filed and it was reported in the media. So the jury should not be paying attention to the news stories about this.

I would only agree with "distraction from AEG trial" part but that only works on the fan base. For example I can tell from my friends that they are neither interested in AEG trial nor Wade's claims.

As far as the media goes it didn't distract them either. The same reporters who were assigned to the trial continue on reporting - AP, LAtimes, ABC7, CNN. Those media only made one brief story about Wade, TMZ is the one that's milking it. so I don't think it distracted the media.

The thing is if we are thinking Wade wants a quick settlement / money from MJ Estate. We need to look to the timing from Estate's perspective.

elusive moonwalker said:
whats actaully gonna happen on the 6th ivy?

I didn't check the law myself but I read some people say Estate hasn't even given the complaint and they would only get it after the seal. June 6th hearing is just about "MOTION-FILE PLEADINGS UNDER SEAL" so the judge will decide whether they will be sealed or not. Later on the judge should give Estate time to respond to the claims and hold at least one - or more- hearings about whether it will continue or not.

I want everyone to prepare themselves that this could go on for sometime. This judge held a hearing for Billie Jean Jackson's obviously crazy claims , Demann's creditor claim (which the Estate argued was late) for royalty payments went on for a year with multiple hearings before Judge decided that he will entertain that complaint.

The only good thing that if the judge allows the seal, there will not be much for the media to report.

la_cienega · May 14, 2013

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Bonnie Blue said:
Hadn't picked that up before. So it's another miracle worker who discovered these deep seated memories. It would be great if it was carole lieberman. We need to know who the orig doc was and what his reputation was in finding repressed memories and whether he made meticulous records in proving how he brought these memories to the surface without assumptions made or overly suggesting and leading the patient, as i'm sure a reputable doc wd know how controversial these type of cases are. And he can x billion that controversy by knowing it was mj who was the subject of those repressed memories.

Yup, the doctor who vouches for him in this isn't allowed to be one who has seen him.

People were impressed by this doctor and his Harvard CV, but I'd gather they wanted someone who was as clean as a whistle in order to intimidate the estate/media with it from the get go.

I'm very curious about what this therapy involved and who it was, perhaps it was a few doctors.

Hopefully it remains under seal to the public but the estate can learn about its contents on June 6th?

terrell · May 14, 2013

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

respect77 said:
I have an idea about which forum that is. IMO some people have serious issues there.

I can understand if the general public is ignorant about the allegations against MJ, because not everyone has to be interested in him. But I can't make the same excuse for fans - especially if they have doubts. Then why don't they actually study the allegations? By studying the cases I'm totally sure MJ never molested Jordan Chandler, Jason Francia and Gavin Arvizo. So even though we have to wait for details I don't think he molested Wade Robson either. He simply was not a child molester.

And why are some "fans" willing to give credit to people who write things like this in their own book?

(Source: Ray Chandler - All That Glitters)

Listen, you have to remember that this is the internet. If those so called fans really though MJ was guilty,they would not be on his site. Some folks like to come in websites and cause drama. MOST people in the news either do not care about this story of Wade or they calling Wade a liar.

terrell · May 14, 2013

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la_cienega said:
Yup, the doctor who vouches for him in this isn't allowed to be one who has seen him.

People were impressed by this doctor and his Harvard CV, but I'd gather they wanted someone who was as clean as a whistle in order to intimidate the estate/media with it from the get go.

I'm very curious about what this therapy involved and who it was, perhaps it was a few doctors.

Hopefully it remains under seal to the public but the estate can learn about its contents on June 6th?

So what if he graduated from Harvard. Harvard have liars and people who do mess in their careers. ALL colleges do. Look at Penn State. Being a Harvard grad proves nothing in this case.

terrell · May 14, 2013

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la_cienega said:
If it's the site I'm thinking of then the mods there have always thought he was a pedophile, or at least they bring it up enough. None of them have read through court docs or anything regarding the allegations. I avoid the site like the plague.

February 27 - AEG trial to go ahead
March 21 - Judge dismisses AEG's appeal and trial set to go ahead, also the day the judge allowed the allegations to be raised in the trial
March 21 - Wade Robson puts his house up for sale
April 30 - AEG trial begins
May 1 - Wade Robson files his claim against the estate
May 7 - allegations go public
May 8 - sells his LA house for a higher asking price

Yall have to remember, some sites loves drama. If those mods really toought MJ was guilty, then why are they associated with anything about him? Think folks. Agains, some folks loves drama. REALY haters do NOT talk about the person let alone being a Mod for a website for them. Are there any Bin Laden Mods? No

Vici · May 14, 2013

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Naad said:
Can someone post me the interview of Wade speaking on Jimmy Kemmel again please?

Jimmy K being a jerk

[youtube]kCOiY0r0hRs[/youtube]

elusive moonwalker · May 14, 2013

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So the judge will decide if the allegations become public on the 6th?

ivy said:
the jury was sworn in before this complaint was filed and it was reported in the media. ecide thather ao the jury should not be paying attention to the news stories about this.

I would only agree with "distraction from AEG trial" part but that only works on the fan base. For example I can tell from my friends that they are neither interested in AEG trial nor Wade's claims.

As far as the media goes it didn't distract them either. The same reporters who were assigned to the trial continue on reporting - AP, LAtimes, ABC7, CNN. Those media only made one brief story about Wade, TMZ is the one that's milking it. so I don't think it distracted the media.

The thing is if we are thinking Wade wants a quick settlement / money from MJ Estate. We need to look to the timing from Estate's perspective.

I didn't check the law myself but I read some people say Estate hasn't even given the complaint and they would only get it after the seal. June 6th hearing is just about "MOTION-FILE PLEADINGS UNDER SEAL" so the judge will decide whether they will be sealed or not. Later on the judge should give Estate time to respond to the claims and hold at least one - or more- hearings about whether it will continue or not.

I want everyone to prepare themselves that this could go on for sometime. This judge held a hearing for Billie Jean Jackson's obviously crazy claims , Demann's creditor claim (which the Estate argued was late) for royalty payments went on for a year with multiple hearings before Judge decided that he will entertain that complaint.

The only good thing that if the judge allows the seal, there will not be much for the media to report.

la_cienega · May 14, 2013

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terrell said:
So what if he graduated from Harvard. Harvard have liars and people who do mess in their careers. ALL colleges do. Look at Penn State. Being a Harvard grad proves nothing in this case.

It's not just the Harvard part, the doctor they used to vouch for him has a very tight CV

http://www.davidarredondo.com/DavidArredondo.pdf

I saw some people suggest it gave Wade some credibility as it shows the doctor who treated him was really well qualified, but in reality we don't know who that was.

ivy · May 14, 2013

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elusive moonwalker said:
So the judge will decide if the allegations become public on the 6th?

he can allow them to be filed under seal too.

It's one or the another.

I would expect him to allow the seal. A lot of things are under seal in the probate because it's not like a regular lawsuit where there's a public interest factor. Probate is about a dead person's Estate and the only interested party is the beneficiaries.

bouee · May 14, 2013

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ivy said:
he can allow them to be filed underseal too.

It's one or the another.

I would expect him to allow the seal. A lot of things are under seal in the probate because it's not like a regular lawsuit where there's a public interest factor. Probate is about a dead person's Estate and the only interested party is the beneficiaries.

so the claim is not filed yet ? it means it's possible that the Estate haven't seen it yet ?

Bonnie Blue · May 14, 2013

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Here's an interview from 10 yrs ago, jamie king interviewing robson about his career up to that point. Robson really was the wunderkind of the dance world - working as britney's tour director at only 16, doing music prod with nsync, own mtv show, becoming a personality in his own right. He's bright, articulate, personable - he talks so comfortably and easily about mj. It's undeniable that his career at 30 isn't at the same level - he claims it's because some years ago he decided to look for more balance in his life and was wary of too much fame, but who knows if he was finding it hard in the longrun to just switch off from that super high achieving drive that he seemed to have from a 9yr old and was discovering that things weren't falling into place career wise as they had done in the past.

[youtube]KulzQ66PVus[/youtube]

There are 3 parts.

elusive moonwalker · May 14, 2013

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Thanks. hopefully it keeps being sealed as it provides nothing for the media to use against mj. imo it will stay quiet until and if it gets unsealed.the media loved reprinting j.c claims for the last 20 years. i dont see much diff with r.w. ill be out of the country on hols on the 6th so ill be escaping from the media reports other than on here!

Staffordshire Bullterrier · May 14, 2013

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So if i understand this correctly...

- He defended MJ in 2005 during the trial all the way, said nothing inappropriate ever happened
- Has been defending and talking very positively about Michael all those years up to 2011
- Has helped Jermaine with his book
- Claims this nervous breakdown started in 2012

Correct? These allegations started this year, or did that already got in the news last year?

elusive moonwalker · May 14, 2013

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Theres a video from july 2012 aswell. yes allegation came out last week

HIStory · May 14, 2013

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

ivy said:
the jury was sworn in before this complaint was filed and it was reported in the media. So the jury should not be paying attention to the news stories about this.

That they shouldn't doesn't mean they don't.

I would only agree with "distraction from AEG trial" part but that only works on the fan base. For example I can tell from my friends that they are neither interested in AEG trial nor Wade's claims.

As far as the media goes it didn't distract them either. The same reporters who were assigned to the trial continue on reporting - AP, LAtimes, ABC7, CNN. Those media only made one brief story about Wade, TMZ is the one that's milking it. so I don't think it distracted the media.

It's not over yet.

The thing is if we are thinking Wade wants a quick settlement / money from MJ Estate. We need to look to the timing from Estate's perspective.

We are only guessing about what WR wants and what his motivation is. As of now I have no reason to exclude at least the possibility that AEG might be involved. That doesn't mean I'm sure they are. I'm not. But we should be open to every possibility.

Justthefacts · May 14, 2013

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

terrell said:
So what if he graduated from Harvard. Harvard have liars and people who do mess in their careers. ALL colleges do. Look at Penn State. Being a Harvard grad proves nothing in this case.

I think the person's point is the the doctor who filed the paper work is not the doctor who Wade had been seeing at the time of this "breakdown"

Staffordshire Bullterrier · May 14, 2013

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

elusive moonwalker said:
Theres a video from july 2012 aswell. yes allegation came out last week

And he still spoke good about MJ there?

Bonnie Blue · May 14, 2013

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

elusive moonwalker said:
Theres a video from july 2012 aswell. yes allegation came out last week

Could be wrong but i think i read that some mj detective found out from tweets of the tv presenter involved (?) that this interview was done in mid march 12, and just broadcast in july. This wd mean it's pre breakdown. [Could be mixing it up with another video though.]

elusive moonwalker · May 14, 2013

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I dunno bonnie. so many videos! theres dance footage from the beginning of feb 2012 that was uploaded march 2012.dont know about that video and the date though.just read the articles saying it was the end of july 2012

HIStory · May 14, 2013

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Bonnie Blue said:
Hadn't picked that up before. So it's another miracle worker who discovered these deep seated memories. It would be great if it was carole lieberman. We need to know who the orig doc was and what his reputation was in finding repressed memories and whether he made meticulous records in proving how he brought these memories to the surface without assumptions made or overly suggesting and leading the patient, as i'm sure a reputable doc wd know how controversial these type of cases are. And he can x billion that controversy by knowing it was mj who was the subject of those repressed memories.

WR's layer references CCP 340.1 in his motion. CCP 340.1 states:

(2)That the mental health practitioner consulted is licensed to practice and practices in this state and is not a party to the action, that the practitioner is not treating and has not treated the plaintiff, and that the practitioner has interviewed the plaintiff and is knowledgeable of the relevant facts and issues involved in the particular action, and has concluded, on the basis of his or her knowledge of the facts and issues, that in his or her professional opinion there is a reasonable basis to believe that the plaintiff had been subject to childhood sexual abuse.

http://www.oclaw.org/research/code/ca/CCP/340.1./content.html#.UZJi40o07Fw

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