[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[ivy]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Video on the link

WADE ROBSON
MICHAEL FORCED ME TO HAVE SEX
And to Keep Quiet About It
BREAKING NEWS
Wade Robson says the only reason he's now changing his story ... accusing Michael Jackson of sexually abusing him for 7 years is because Michael engaged in a campaign of manipulation to keep him silent, especially during MJ's 2005 child molestation trial.

Robson went on NBC Today and said, Michael "performed sexual acts on me and forced me to perform sexual acts on him" from the age of 7 ... until Robson was 14.

Robson claimed he testified in 2005 that Michael did NOT sexually abuse him because Michael told him what they were doing was "an expression of love" ... and added, "if you ever tell anyone what we're doing both of our lives and our careers will be over."

TMZ broke the story ... Robson filed a creditor's claim against Michael Jackson's estate last week, insisting MJ sexually abused him during his childhood for years, but according to sources he didn't take action until he saw a therapist following a nervous breakdown.

Robson reference the breakdown on Today, saying ... "for the fist time in my life I began to realize that my completely numb and unexplored feelings in relation to what Michael did to me might be a problem and maybe I need to speak to someone about it."

Interestingly, Robson denied repressing the memory of the abuse, saying ... "I never forgot one moment of what Michael did to me. But I was psychologically and emotionally completely unable and unwilling to understand that it was sexual abuse."

Robson added he doesn't excuse the alleged abuse, but he believed Michael was a "troubled man" who was an amazing talent, but "also a pedophile."

Michael Jackson's Estate has told TMZ, Robson's allegations are an "outrageous and pathetic" money grab.


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[innuendo141]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I hope to god this gets taken to courty or whatever and just shown to be the complete farce that it is. "his truth" just turned out to be wild accusations. I've come to terms with the fact that there are many ignorant people out there who firmly believe Michael ws guilty. A few might believe this, but in the end again, only those with a brain will understand how this simply is all lies.

 

[mjjesamor1]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I cannot believe this is happening. For **** sake. Can he not let Michael rest in peace?

 

[Billie Jean 78]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

No he didn't. He said the truth durig the trial 2005, it's NOW he is lying.

If you say he did commit perjury in 2005 you admitted than MJ was guilty so be careful with that. He didn't lie in 2005, no perjury, nothing happened in 2005, but NOW he is lying.

Well so he didn't commit perjury in 2005, but HE claims he did. Is that better?

 

[innuendo141]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I cannot believe this is happening. For **** sake. Can he not let Michael rest in peace?

I think it's about time we all realised that Michael will not rest in peace. Between court cases and the possibility of more donkeys coming forward with allegations.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

It is not easy in the slightest but it is absolutely possible to heal and get your life back."

It's also alot easier if your abuser is megarich and dead and you can file a few claims against their estate - i'm sure this will help with getting your life back.

Wade understands how incredibly hard it is to understand. Wade would never put his family through this ordeal if this wasn’t true.

That's the issue that needs to be hammered home as it's a good argument. He's married, got a young son, why do this incredibly public denouncement of a dead global superstar. The interview never went into the money aspect but the estate and fans just need to be brutal about how he's filing these civil lawsuits and creditor claims. Jordan chandler got $15 m settlement for claiming 2/3 months of abuse, how much does claiming 7yrs going to get wade? It's mega money at play.

No he didn't. He said the truth durig the trial 2005, it's NOW he is lying.

If you say he did commit perjury in 2005 you admitted than MJ was guilty so be careful with that. He didn't lie in 2005, no perjury, nothing happened in 2005, but NOW he is lying.

It's certainly true that wade is now indirectly admitting that he committed perjury in the 05 trial and if he believes mj to be a pedo and child abuser, then he actively lied to damage the case of a fellow victim.

 

[mjjesamor1]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yeah Bonnie you're right mega money at play. To make sense of this one has to ask oneself who else is going to gain financially from this apart from Wade himself? I have my answer. The timing of this is crucial.

 

[bouee]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I just watched the video... the only thing I understood is that 'it's hard to understand, it's confusing" . That's right.

he's not doing it for money, but he has a creditor's claim and a lawsuit on the way ? Yes, of course.

And Michael calling him "everyday for role play"..Yes.... of course, as Vici said, surely the police didn't pick up on that.

It's the first time I have ever heard of such a theory about child abuse. Understanding but covering it up well into adulthood .. Let alone keep on praising the abuser for so long, even after his death.

 

[That Other Fan]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So, his memory wasn't suppressed...

He committed perjury in 2005 because he was "manipulated", paid tribute to Michael alongside his sister Janet at the MTV VMA awards, continued PRAISING Michael for FOUR YEARS after his death, and can be found on video tape PRAISING as recent as March 2012.... that is really some manipulation. :hysterical:

 

[sfosteredi]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I think it's about time we all realised that Michael will not rest in peace. Between court cases and the possibility of more donkeys coming forward with allegations.

Sadly I agree. After the CM case ended I said "finally, Michael can rest in peace and his legacy can be built on solid ground for all time". There were nothing but positive things being said and done (Cirque, MJ theme nights on shows, etc.) The world was ready to move on after the trial and put all of MJ's past troubles behind them. I believe that the KJ vs AEG case opened the door by blaming AEG. So now its time to "blame" MJJ Productions, etc. for whatever allegations someone can come up with. And you are right , there will be more donkeys. His legacy now? Not sure.

 

[wendijane]

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To me . It is clear You have some BIG issues robson . You are quite scary .I am psychologically and emotionally completely unable and unwilling to understand what you have claimed.
You make no sense whatsoever.

 

[bouee]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

about Michael calling him every day for role play : his mom and sister did not pick up on that either. Of course.
it must have been telepathy.
did they role play again in 2005 ? he was really not clear about that.

 

[Soundmind]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

based on what he said I believe creditor claim is out completely . However, we don't know what will happen with the civil lawsuit

 

[MysticalChicken]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So was it ONLY WR he "abused", or were, say, Brett Barnes and Mac Culkin "abused" as well and "threatened" to keep quiet about it? If it's the latter, MJ trusted that (at least) THREE boys wouldn't crack and admit everything while he was still alive? Yowza, that is one lucky "child molester"!

edit: dammit the "sarcasm" tags didn't go through. thought this was a BBcode forum and they'd be able to be seen.

 

[goldiee]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Of course, its about money, he filed a creditor claim and civil lawsuit! Duh!

 

[ScaredOfTheMoon]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Here's the link for the interview http://www.today.com/entertainment/wade-robson-pedophile-michael-jackson-abused-me-7-years-1C9948163

I just saw it myself. I started crying about halfway through the video. Not because I believe Michael is guilty, but because he once again is being attacked in the cruellest and most disgusting way ever.

Michael paid for Gavin's medical bills, it's because of Michael he is alive today! He gave Wade a career. And this is the thanks they give him?! How can they do that to someone who helped them so much in their life? How can they live with themselves?

 

[bouee]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

based on what he said I believe creditor claim is out completely . However, we don't know what will happen with the civil lawsuit

meaning his lawyer changed tactics in a week ?
his lawyer just became aware of something he was taught years ago in law class, but was unwilling to understand at the time.

 

[ivy]

MJ Estate statement sent to Today show

"Mr. Robson has adamantly denied under oath and in numerous interviews over the past 20 years that Michael Jackson ever did anything inappropriate to him. Now he wants us to believe that he committed perjury at least twice and has been lying to anyone and everyone about Mr. Jackson since the early 1990s so he can file a claim for money. Mr. Robson’s transparent lawsuit comes nearly 4 years after Michael passed. His claim is outrageous and sad. "

Howard Weitzman for MJ Estate.

 

[That Other Fan]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He had a shot with the repressed memory thing... at least in the court of public opinion. He looks completely than foolish now.

He just admitted to knowingly perjuring himself in 2005, because Michael Jackson apparently "manipulated" him and told him his career would be over. lol

It's absolutely LUDICROUS to anyone with a functional brain.

 

[analogue]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He claims that Michael manipulated him to lie under oath in 2005 but how is going to explain all of the positive interviews he gave about Michael after that and even 4 years after Michael died? Was Michael manipulating him from beyond the grave?

Anyone with half a brain can see how ridiculous this is

 

[Bonnie Blue]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He just admitted to knowingly perjuring himself in 2005, because Michael Jackson apparently "manipulated" him and told him his career would be over. lol

No, that's tmz's spin on the interview, haven't watched it again but that's not what i remember.

TMZ Robson claimed he testified in 2005 that Michael did NOT sexually abuse him because Michael told him what they were doing was "an expression of love" ... and added, "if you ever tell anyone what we're doing both of our lives and our careers will be over."

That supposed quote of mj's which is clearly in the present tense was in relation to 1993, as if a 10yr old wd be interested in his career being over. There is no explanation about 05 specifically - i don't know how role plays, the threat of jail, that sex abuse is an expression of love, wd work on a guy in his mid 20s.

That estate statement is exactly the same as the one they issued a week ago. Except it's now sad rather than pathetic. They clearly don't know any more to retaliate against. I'm just wondering if it's true what we're assuming about wade not getting the cirque job and getting mad at the estate - even after the allegations the estate just said that he didn't work on it because his son was sick.

 

[That Other Fan]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I knew he and his lawyer were leaking dates to TMZ and other media outlets to see what would stick. Everyone thought it was simple mistake and/or error in reporting by TMZ, but you don't make mistakes by a full year.

Their story wasn't as "together" as we thought it was... they literally had to change their story, because we kept finding footage of him praising MJ.

Now they've had to change their story of repressed memory, because not only is it not accepted by most psychologists, but if his memory was truly repressed, it would have triggered a LONG time ago. On that stand specifically.

He's desperate because the media didn't jump on it as he thought they would.

 

[StellaJackson]

MJ Estate statement sent to Today show

"Mr. Robson has adamantly denied under oath and in numerous interviews over the past 20 years that Michael Jackson ever did anything inappropriate to him. Now he wants us to believe that he committed perjury at least twice and has been lying to anyone and everyone about Mr. Jackson since the early 1990s so he can file a claim for money. Mr. Robson’s transparent lawsuit comes nearly 4 years after Michael passed. His claim is outrageous and sad. "

Howard Weitzman for MJ Estate.

Was this read out on the air?

 

[Kingofthedancefloor]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

How can Someone have the Audacity to sit down and speak complete garbage and Lie on national TV about a Person who has been a mentor for over 20 years and treated him as family really makes me SICK to the stomach!!!!!

 

[ScaredOfTheMoon]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Was this read out on the air?

Yes, it was.

 

[tinkerbelle74]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

And I'd like to say to "djlf", I can feel your pain, I feel exactly the same way as you do. I cannot comprehend it... Why?? I am not completely buying to money motive... There must be sth more to it...? ;-(

I just wanted to say for those who misunderstood my post: I do not have ANY doubts that Michael is innocent. I just aired an opinion about Wade's motives and what is behind all this. What is so incomprehensible to me is how he can turn around so completely and turned his back on a long-time friend ... for MONEY?? And I guess there are a few people out there that share this feeling?

And I also wanted to reach out to our "real doubter", djlf, to say - I feel your pain and anxiety, because I feel i to!

But, I've just listened to Tom Mesereau's interview from yesterday (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/jordan-king) and it really made me feel so much better about this whole thing. There is no way this case is going anywhere!!

 

[Soundmind]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I knew he and his lawyer were leaking dates to TMZ and other media outlets to see what would stick. Everyone thought it was simple mistake and/or error in reporting by TMZ, but you don't make mistakes by a full year.

Their story wasn't as "together" as we thought it was... they literally had to change their story, because we kept finding footage of him praising MJ.

Now they've had to change their story of repressed memory, because not only is it not accepted by most psychologists, but if his memory was truly repressed, it would have triggered a LONG time ago. On that stand specifically.

He's desperate because the media didn't jump on it as he thought they would.

we don't know what he claimed in his credit claim, it's sealed. We are quoting TMZ when it comes to repressed memory claims .

Frankly repressed memory would have been much easier to refute and defend , now it's a different story . It's up to the judge if he wants to give an adult who admitted lying under oath twice a free pass to lay his claims in front of a jury . If he has the chance to continue , it's not gonna be that easy for the estate believe me . They better have strong evidence of his financial status in the last two years. Nevertheless, he already covered that by claiming his understanding of the seriousness of what MJ did to him led to a breakdown which caused him his career. He's already admitted in his filings he has no source of income for the last two years.However, he's blaming MJ for that.

 

[Diplomate]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Well so he didn't commit perjury in 2005, but HE claims he did. Is that better?

It's not better for him, cause he's lying right now in 2013, and in 2005 he was not lying. Lol, the judge who gonna take care of this ,gonna quickly crush him with these 2013 lies. HE IS LYING FOR MONEY RIGTH NOW.

It's funny to see him lie and lie to cover himself,lol too much lies Wade!

 

[Billie Jean 78]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If he has the chance to continue , it's not gonna be that easy for the estate believe me . They better have strong evidence of his financial status in the last two years.

Why exactly would the Estate have a problem refuting these charges? Isn't the burden of proof on the acuser's side? And ho on earth is he planing to prove anything a.after such a long time and b.after so many years of claiming the opposite?

Plus I still don't understand how one can sue a deceased person!!

 

[Pimboli]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So he's not claiming repressed memory. He claims he knew all along, he just ignored those feelings and that he was threatened

if he knew all along, but ignored it for whatever reason rolleyes, doesnt that mean that he ended up enabling a pedo to continue molesting? Doesn't that make him culpable of Chandler's and Gavin's claims? (if you believe them, that is)

Now that the repressed memory syndrome has left the building, one really has to wonder why he did not "tell his truth" during the 05 trial. He had THE opportunity back then to send "the monster" to jail for life. But he didnt because he.... ignored what had happened?
And now he claims that he doesn't want money, he only wants the possibility to talk, because talking heals? Gee, i didnt know that talking publically on tv shows has a stronger healing affect than doing it privately? (but of course you cant bully the Estate into settling if you talk privately, nor can you feed off the public perception that MJ might have been guilty, but got off in 05). Going on tv shows/speaking to the likes of tmz only shows your true colours. If you want to be taken seriously, you let the proper authorities do their work.

on a side note: did Wade attend Michael's memorial/funeral?