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The point of the criminal restitution would have been to discourage Murray from attempting to profit from his crime. Without it, we are now going to see a book, paid tv interviews and god knows what else commence in a couple of weeks once he's out. Criminal restitution would have been a done deal at sentencing, not dischargeable in bankruptcy and requiring no effort from Katherine or the kids. It's incredible to me that she refused it.
 
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Tygger said:
Serendipity I understand your point of view, I simply disagree.

The comparison between the monies the doctor may generate (which can be hindered) and the monies AEG generated is not in amounts. They are comparable in the reason for the generation; Michael's passing. Apologies if I was unclear before.
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Thanks for clarifying. But the Jacksons obviously compare them in amounts and that's why they went for AEG's money and not for Murray's money. So that's how I compare them too. I don't think they are deserving of AEG money when they left Murray off the hook in that regard.
 
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Krikzil, there is effort in restitution.
 
Friedman - so decide how much if any credibility you want to give his reporting.

Michael Jackson: Family Will Ask for New Trial, Wrongful Death Decision Will Be Appealed,
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The family of Michael Jackson lost their wrongful death suit against AEG Live, but the story isn’t over. I am told that the family will not only appeal the jury decision, but they will file for a new trial as well. That’s right, there could be a Trial 2.0, dragging everyone and everything back through the courts.
The word is that the Jacksons’ lead lawyer, Brian Panish, already has a law firm that specializes in appeals writing the documents now. But it’s not just an appeal. They will also ask the court for a do- over based on the jury getting wrong marching orders or misunderstanding the questions they received to make their deliberations.
Separately Panish appeared on an internet radio this week where he talked a little bit about the case and the potential appeal. He doesn’t actually say anything, but I am told definitively that Jackson v. AEGLive is not over, at least not for the Jacksons. Panish says Katherine Jackson was happy that it was proved that AEG hired the doctor that killed Michael Jackson. But remember the jury decided that AEG hired a doctor. They didn’t know, and no one did, that he’d kill Jackson.

http://www.showbiz411.com/2013/10/1...rial-wrongful-death-decision-will-be-appealed
 
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Right! Can fans sue Jackson family for abusing Michael even thou he is dead?
 
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ivy said:
Brian Panish, already has a law firm that specializes in appeals writing the documents now.

They will also ask the court for a do- over based on the jury getting wrong marching orders or misunderstanding the questions they received to make their deliberations.
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Oops, has Randy Jackson gone back to feeding stories to Mr. Friedman? Trying to add fuel to a DYING fire!

And what the heck are they talking about, i.e. "misunderstanding the questions they received.....?"

They ONLY answered two questions, one for and one against. Who knows if they "misunderstood" the questions (PLURAL) since they never got the opportunity to answer all of the questions.

On a side note: I'd really like to know who would be paying these appellate attorneys, or would they be working on a contingency basis also.
 
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Big Apple2 said:
Oops, has Randy Jackson gone back to feeding stories to Mr. Friedman? Trying to add fuel to a DYING fire!

And what the heck are they talking about, i.e. "misunderstanding the questions they received.....?"

They ONLY answered two questions, one for and one against. Who knows if they "misunderstood" the questions (PLURAL) since they never got the opportunity to answer all of the questions.

On a side note: I'd really like to know who would be paying these appellate attorneys, or would they be working on a contingency basis also.
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Didn't KJ and Co added 1 more lawfirm that is specialises appeals to her group of attorneys during the trial?
I remember reading it but cannot remember where? To me it just shows they knew they case is weak and needed to appeal, thus early call for appeal attorney.


Ivy, any info about estate accounting?
Last accounting was last summer (July 2012), aren't we due to get yearly accounting or something?
We definately need to know if the estate has to pay any lawyers fees.

The only good thing is that executors needs judge's approval before they give any money to KJ and Co, as it seems to me that they are too nice to KJ. At least judge should put his foot down nd tell KJ enough is enough. The estate cannot even distribute 20% MJ will to childrens charity because KJ spends all the money to lawyers. :no:
 
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Bubs said:
Didn't KJ and Co added 1 more lawfirm that is specialises appeals to her group of attorneys during the trial?
I remember reading it but cannot remember where? To me it just shows they knew they case is weak and needed to appeal, thus early call for appeal attorney.
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Yes, Bubs, I remember that also.

They took those precautions very early in the trial, in my opinion.

It just adds another layer as to why they made not just one, but TWO request for a settlement from AEG.

Like a lot of us said from jumpstreet, this trial was NEVER supposed to go before a jury, because Mother and her attorneys "probably" believed that AEG would have offered them a settlement, but as we know, AEG never blinked.
 
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LastTear said:
A reality show? Oh please no. He can't become a celebrity on the back of killing someone, can he?
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He can and he will, because his victim happened to be Michael Jackson. We all know that HE is Michael Jackson's victim in the eyes of the media, even though Michael was the one who lost his f'ing life.
Michael could have been shot by gangs on the highway- the media would still spin it around and blame Michael. Heck Osama bin Laden could have bombed up This IS IT- the O2 Arena while he was performing, the media would have still blamed Michael. Murray achieved what the media and the likes of Sneddon, Zonen, Chandler/Schwarty/Jourdan/Arvizo's, Diane Diomond's, Nancy Disgrace's etc failed to do, he KILLED Michael Jackson. Murray is the media's hero. There won't be any faux outrage like there was with OJ and his vain attempt to profit with ''If I did it''. Heck, if Murray wasn't a naturalized but a born American they'd even elect him to be the next President of the United States if they could.

Maybe Katherine would like to apply for the job, publicist for their so loved doctor death?
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She should, I hope someone tells this woman when she opens her mouth about Murray and Michael -after Murray begins with his Michael rampage- that it is DIRECTLY her fault.. I don't want to see any more crocodiles and I couldn't care less if she is 83 or 103.

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Who is to say they haven't brokered deal with CM already? How else can you explain their actions?

That family has no dignity, integrity or loyalty. The only thing that matters is amount of dollars and they are ready and willing to do anything to get some money, no matter what.
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I've said on other boards and I believe here as well, it wouldn't surprise me AT ALL. I can totally see 'some' of the Jackson's backing up Murray's claims one way or the other if that means they can kick Michael and make money $.
 
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Katherine could've made sure people remembered what Murray did to MJ, but she chose not to.. Yet MJ took care of her for 45 years of his life.
 
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Well, I would not be surprised if some of the siblings joined murray on a reality tv show at some point. They do seem very capable of doing so. Katherine and mjs kids with murray in a reconiciliation session would bring a lot of attention and of course a lot of money ; something the Jacksons can't resist especially after losing AEG case.
 
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if theres any justice they will. then we will see them complain. after all its one rule for them one for michael
 
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^^ Then again, I wouldn't be a one bit of surprised that these extortonists struck a deal with CM, they don't ask restitutions, and CM won't spill a beans on them.
That would explain perfectly their insane decision for not taking restitution.
 
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Victory22 said:
I wouldn't put it past the Jackson's to join Murray. If the price is right it's a done deal.
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It wouldn't shock me either..
 
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Yeah i wouldnt be shocked. i can easily see randy and co saying poor conrad murray he tried to help druggie mj just like we did.
 
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Forget in life, Michael's been taking care of him ever since he was KILLED by Conrat's despicable recklessness. He's been paying for their life even in death. And they are still ungrateful!
 
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Tygger said:
Krikzil, there is effort in restitution.
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Hmm...a five-month civil trial was a lot of effort and money, as will be the appeal, and Katherine was/is certainly all for that. And as she just learned, with no guarantee of success. If she'd won, she'd spare no time and expense chasing AEG down for the money either.

Fact is, there would have been NO effort in securing the criminal restitution, unlike having to go forth and file this civil suit against AEG with a potential to lose. The Judge would have ordered it; done deal. Yes, she'd have to make the attempt to enforce the restitution against Murray but that's the point. To show Murray, as Ron Goldman's dad did with OJ, that she was going to make it as difficult as possible for him to profit from his crime. (And before you start on the indirect profit; Goldman proved vigilance trumps that too.)

Sorry, the choice she made speaks to expending effort only when there's a chance of a huge payoff for her to pass down to her cubs. Defending Michael's reputation apparently wasn't worth the effort.
 
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twinklEE said:
Forget in life, Michael's been taking care of him ever since he was KILLED by Conrat's despicable recklessness. He's been paying for their life even in death. And they are still ungrateful!
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And the proof of this is that Jermaine has been in deep trouble with the law for child support ever since Michael died and so has Randy. Even Ms Rebbie had to get up and go to work!!!!
 
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Krikzil, there is effort in securing and enforcing restitution for anyone seeking this remedy. It is not simple or effortless for anyone; even when their last name is Jackson.

If you feel the only way to defend Michael was through restitution, that is your choice and view. I simply disagree.

(And before you start on the indirect profit; Goldman proved vigilance trumps that too.)
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I have no clue what you are suggesting there and I am fine with that.
 
It’s fascinating to observe all the diligence, drive and motivation the Jackson’s have in perusing AEG while there is even the faintest glimmer of hope of getting a large cash settlement. These people are willing to move heaven and earth to make it happen but they have not lifted a finger from June 25, 2009 until now to protect Michael’s name or punish Conrad Murray. SMH
 
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The family definitely put a lot of time and effort into this money grab from AEG.. If they would've tried this diligently in helping and protecting MJ he might be alive today. I wish they would've worked this hard for him. Katherine said she wanted to know what happened to her son, it would've been great if she would've found out his issues when he was enduring them.
 
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Tygger said:
Krikzil, there is effort in securing and enforcing restitution for anyone seeking this remedy. It is not simple or effortless for anyone; even when their last name is Jackson.

If you feel the only way to defend Michael was through restitution, that is your choice and view. I simply disagree.
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No, there wouldn't have been any effort to secure the criminal restitution on her part. CA Penal code requires Judges to Order the defendant to pay restitution for economic loss. Walgren had done his research and when Judge Pastor sentenced Murray, a Direct Restitution Order would have been imposed. The DOC would have collected monies from his inmate account. Once he was out, the order would be referred to the FTB and it has the authority to utilize several collection methods on its own. KJ would also have been able to collect the Restitution Order as if it were a civil judgment. So yes, that last option would have required her to spare some time from going after AEG's deep pockets to enforce the restitution against Murray. But no one ever said that part would be easy so not sure why you keep repeating it like we did? Well, other than deflection from the core issue -- when is "effort" worth it to the Jacksons?

KJ seeking billions defends MJ better than preventing his killer from profiting from his crime at MJ's expense? Yip, we will definitely have to agree to disagree on THAT.


Tygger said:
I have no clue what you are suggesting there and I am fine with that.
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Not surprised.
 
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But no one ever said that part would be easy so not sure why you keep repeating it like we did?
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Krikzil, I am unsure who we is?

You have a sizable list of activities for something you deemed effortless. Please include the size of the damages that would have to be determined as well.

I still do not understand how vigilance somehow trumps indirect profit and how the Goldmans proved that but, again, no worries here.
 
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This is not a complex issue. The Jacksons did not opt for restitution, even though the judge indicated that they could have it, and the prosecutor, Walgren, said he wanted it. The clear REASON that the Jacksons did not accept restitution was because that would have meant little in financial return from Murray. They went after AEG, instead, because AEG could have provided funds for the plaintiffs, i.e. the family. The family LOST, and it's highly doubtful that an appeal will fly.

Michael supported Katherine, for many years, and it's no secret that she used some of those funds to support the "cubs." But, Michael SPOKE, in his will. The Jacksons seem to be unable to accept that. Michael gave money to his children. He gave money to his mother, to provide for her comfort, for as long as she lives. He left OUT of the will, any other family members. Those were his wishes, ok? They must now make their own ways, and that should be the END of it.

The Goldmans gave us a model of how this can work, that O.J. is forever silenced from profiting from his crime. The Jacksons had that option, and did not take it. Because the Jacksons did not take that option, Murray is totally free to gain money from Michael's death, on talk shows, in books, and in any other ways. This is a FAIL, for the Jackson family, and I can't really see any other way around it.
 
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The Jackson's spoke loud and clear. They don't care at all about punishing Murray so MJ's Will makes perfect sense. It proves MJ was not wrong nor was he blind as to his family's true colors.
 
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The Goldmans showed that if you have the will to fight to protect your loved one, you CAN succeed. But like I said for the Jacksons such battle is not worth fighting.

But in the end they got what they deserved - no money from Murray and no money from AEG. Serves them right!
 
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Tygger said:
Krikzil, there is effort in securing and enforcing restitution for anyone seeking this remedy. It is not simple or effortless for anyone; even when their last name is Jackson.
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you know that they could have hired a lawyer and/or a collection agency to pursue any and all restitution claims, right? I don't think anyone expected Katherine to personally follow what Murray did. However she could have easily hired people to do the job if the goal is justice and cost isn't the issue.

Anyway we have a thread at Trials and Tribulations about restitution discussion.
 
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Ivy it is what is. If one does not want to accept restitution, the pursuit of it is not a worrisome issue.

I look forward to seeing fans working together to prevent this killer from attempting to profit from his fatal crime.

I believe fans will be successful in this boycott initiative. Even if restitution was accepted, the boycott would still be needed.
 
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Admin Note: If for nothing more than organizational purposes, please take any further discussion about restitution to the thread available in the Trials and Tribulation's forum. We plan to have this forum and these discussion of the "Trial" archived and preserved in a sub forum. Thank you for your cooperation.
 
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