Michael Jackson Scream - The Album

However some of the really bad decisions are what is the issue. The questionable tracks on Michael, releasing This Is It as a compilation album rather then a "live" album with the vocals taken from the rehearsals instead, re-releasing Off The Wall without anything new on it other than a piece of chalk and a documentary no one wanted, no Dangerous25..an album that's highly regarded as one of Michael's best moments of his career, and now yet ANOTHER compilation type album no one needs or wants with a bad remix we can live without.

Releasing the Cascio tracks was a big mistake but Estate had no reason to not trust the Cascio family as Michael was pretty close to them. They got duped by the Cascios but they have come out and said that they won't release any more Cascio tracks so they have realised their mistake.

As we all know, Michael didn't really give his all during rehearsals. He wanted to save his voice for the concerts so it wouldn't have been a good idea to release an album with MJ mumbling his words or skipping several verses.

Off The Wall documentary was very good. Please speak for yourself. And as far as new material is concerned, I don't think there is much if any unreleased songs from Off The Wall era. I think all material from that era has already been released so I don't fault the estate for not releasing unreleased songs with the re-issue. The chalk thing was a big joke though, I give you that.

Dangerous 25 was something we all wanted but it didn't happen and it's about time people stop moaning about it. We have already got re-issues for Off The Wall, Thriller and Bad. That's three albums that have got an anniversary re-issue. Not every album can get that treatment. And lets face it, Dangerous might be MJ's best album but it isn't an iconic album in the sense that it hasn't impacted music industry in the same vein as Thriller, Bad and even OTW. Every music fan has heard of Thriller, most have heard of Bad and many have of OTW but I doubt many non MJ fans have heard of Dangerous. Only the more famous and iconic albums get anniversary editions and although I'm sad that D25 didn't happen, I can sort of understand why the Estate didn't do it.

Scream album is selling relatively well on Amazon which shows that at least there are some people that are interested in it. I personally like the remix. I think it's quite good. Please stop assuming that your opinion is shared by everyone.
 
"The Estate is killing Michael's legacy." A comment I've read from many MJ fans on here & twitter recently that has infuriated me. If two child molestation accusations didn't kill his legacy, then no way in hell is a release of a compilation album featuring some of his finest songs kill his legacy.
 
Compilation albums are needed because they can get new fans that way. But I wonder if the most buyers are new fans or people who already have all the songs?
 
Compilation albums are needed because they can get new fans that way. But I wonder if the most buyers are new fans or people who already have all the songs?

Right now I imagine it's mostly Michael Jackson fans (especially the collectors), but upon release you'll have a much greater portion of casual fans.

You know what's funny, this compilation made me a fan of the song Torture haha. I had heard the song some years ago but it never caught on. I've also never been a huge fan of the album Victory, so I never felt inclined to play it again.

Seeing it on the track listing made me go check it out again a few days ago, and well... right now it's playing through my sound bar again :p
 
HIStoric (I'll post it here as well ;) ), your comparisons with other artists seem to focus on quantity rather than quality. There is certainly no lack of quantity - in fact, I think the Estate has put out too much unreleased material over the past 8 years. As Prince of Pop says, it's the quality that is the problem. Of course it is cool that we have gotten unreleased demos, but the context in which they are released matters tremendously. Yes, we got 6 new songs on the 'Michael' album (albeit versions finished by producers to varying levels of success), but they were surrounded by 3 songs performed by a vocal impersonator (give me any other Estate that has made such a gigantic mistake - you won't find it). Yes, we got a number of new demos on the 'Xscape' album, but look at the context: you had to pay extra money to get them, most of them were mastered horribly, and the project focused entirely on 'contemporized' mixes by external producers who did not even listen to Michael's original work (and made fun of it afterwards, which the Estate thought would be good to release on dvd) and a hologram of Earnest Valentino.

That, to me, is an utter waste. It is exactly because there is only a finite amount of unreleased Michael Jackson material left, that you should treat each outtake as a small treasure. Give us their backstory, take us back to the time they were created and some insight into what they could have become - give each of these songs their moment in the spotlight. Don't present them as afterthoughts, badly mixed, randomly thrown together from different eras, and without context and background information. I would gladly go 20 years without the release of any new material and just repackages if it meant that Michael would get the kinds of releases he deserves by that time (which is one reason why I don't see why some people think this 'Scream' repackage is a problem).

Anyone who genuinely expects posthumous releases to be as good as products Michael created while alive, is being unrealistic. But I think most fans who criticize the Estate simply want them to focus on Michael's work: demos, outtakes, alternate versions, live concerts, stories documenting the unreleased projects, etc. It is not about expecting releases to be as good as when he was here, it's about celebrating and respecting the integrity of the work he left behind.
 
HIStoric (I'll post it here as well ;) ), your comparisons with other artists seem to focus on quantity rather than quality. There is certainly no lack of quantity - in fact, I think the Estate has put out too much unreleased material over the past 8 years. As Prince of Pop says, it's the quality that is the problem. Of course it is cool that we have gotten unreleased demos, but the context in which they are released matters tremendously. Yes, we got 6 new songs on the 'Michael' album (albeit versions finished by producers to varying levels of success), but they were surrounded by 3 songs performed by a vocal impersonator (give me any other Estate that has made such a gigantic mistake - you won't find it). Yes, we got a number of new demos on the 'Xscape' album, but look at the context: you had to pay extra money to get them, most of them were mastered horribly, and the project focused entirely on 'contemporized' mixes by external producers who did not even listen to Michael's original work (and made fun of it afterwards, which the Estate thought would be good to release on dvd) and a hologram of Earnest Valentino.

Heya! It does focus on quantity, you're correct, but I do that because I feel that most of the projects the Estate have delivered us have been high quality (even if they haven't interested me personally).

I mean, you really only criticised 2 projects out of 8 projects, which is still a good run I feel. Few will disagree with you on the Michael issue. It's the project I dislike the most, I really don't like the sound of the album. It dated horribly fast (months, I say), you have the Cascio issue and I think some of the songs on there like Hollywood Tonight and Much Too Soon (which is actually fine as it is on the album) deserve another shot. I don't listen to it, I don't even have it in my library and frankly it doesn't deserve Michael's name on it.

Xscape on the other hand, I still play that today. I think it was only one of the producers who didn't listen to the original demos. I don't think it was acceptable, but on the other hand, most of the contemporisations were good in my eyes (well, ears). The rest of the producers like Stargate, John McCain did (he had to!) and as for Rodney Jerkins... well he worked on the original so he knew it better than anyone else!

As for the issue with money, I don't see that as an issue. If you can afford to spend $12 on a CD, you can afford to spend a few extra dollars and get the deluxe version too. The thing with Xscape is that it was a project that was aimed at practically everyone, the casual listeners AND the hardcore fans. Casual listeners won't really care about demos/original versions, and a cheaper version with just the new contemporised versions would probably entice them to buy it and check it out. You're getting extra material so it only makes sense to pay a little bit extra. I think the approach was fine and look, at the end of the day everyone got what they wanted material-wise and that's what really matters.

That, to me, is an utter waste. It is exactly because there is only a finite amount of unreleased Michael Jackson material left, that you should treat each outtake as a small treasure. Give us their backstory, take us back to the time they were created and some insight into what they could have become - give each of these songs their moment in the spotlight. Don't present them as afterthoughts, badly mixed, randomly thrown together from different eras, and without context and background information. I would gladly go 20 years without the release of any new material and just repackages if it meant that Michael would get the kinds of releases he deserves by that time (which is one reason why I don't see why some people think this 'Scream' repackage is a problem).

Anyone who genuinely expects posthumous releases to be as good as products Michael created while alive, is being unrealistic. But I think most fans who criticize the Estate simply want them to focus on Michael's work: demos, outtakes, alternate versions, live concerts, stories documenting the unreleased projects, etc. It is not about expecting releases to be as good as when he was here, it's about celebrating and respecting the integrity of the work he left behind.

I feel I should point out that at least on Bad 25 and Xscape, the booklet does go into some detail about each of the new demos/songs presented. I don't know how much in depth as I'm too lazy to go get my copy of the CDs and check, but I do remember that. Joseph Vogel even wrote an essay detailing the Xscape tracks for it's booklet, I enjoyed reading that the day it came out.

Michael I felt was all over the place, but Xscape was so much more of the standard I expect. I enjoyed the quality of the songs given (Helped by LA Reid's policy of only picking songs Michael recorded multiple times and had a clear interest in), I enjoyed most of the contemporisations, the songs were given background info and context in the booklet. The mixing/mastering issues, I've never really personally noticed myself? The mastering is loud on some of the contemporisations - mainly APWNN - but I put that up to the general mastering style of today. Chicago's demo is in mono but I never would've noticed if you guys didn't point it out. I feel there might be a legitimate reason for that we don't know of though, I feel that because it is something rather big to slip past the engineers + QC. Different eras? It's a fair comment, it's more evident in the demos than the contemporary versions, which are what I listen to more often. I feel other fans listen to the demos more so I can totally get why it stands out for you guys more :)

While I feel Xscape hits many of those marks, I would love your approach with the rest of the material. Time and time again I have said I'd really love a project that is similar to The Beatles Anthology series actually. Get a whole bunch of demos/alternative takes/unreleased songs/studio chatter and present them in deluxe albums where we can hear them in context with the other songs of the era, as well as find out so much information on them.

The below image is taken from the CD booklet of Anthology 2 (right click > open image in a new tab for full size!). Each song is presented with great detail along with great behind the scenes imagery to compliment. There was so much care and detail into these packages that it was such an incredible project, it provided a superb insight into the minds of some of history's greatest musicians. Look at the technical details in these notes! It's discussing both the history and technical details of the track. The Beatles are artists that deserved the treatment, and so does Michael! Also it's great to hear studio chatter, the Fab Four have great banter haha.

I feel such a project could offer an insight into Michael we rarely see, the Beat It demo went viral back in 2014 and I had a friend come up to me at school, telling me she heard it and thought it was so cool that Michael worked that way.

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Great points by both HIStoric and SoCav. As a hard-core -most of us are hard-core's on here I guess- I'm of the opinion that MJ is deserving of a separate Legacy label like Elvis. SoCav has a great insight into how Elvis has been presented -from discussion we've had -Legacy releases and the stunning FTD (Follow That Dream) editions of classic Elvis albums. HIStoric has a great insight into how The Beatles have been presented -the superb Anthology series is something that MJ's adult solo career screams out for and deserves! I think Elvis and The Beatles should be the joint blueprint for how MJ is presented after the current contract ceases. The first decade of the posthumous legacy has been a mixed bag and they've almost released too much. Apart from all that HIStoric has listed there's also been the complete digital collection and two Cirque shows! What other artist has had a Cirque show that has done a world tour and has a permanent Las Vegas residence? That is quite something. Then there's been over a dozen concerts leaks online plus leaked demos. Perhaps Thriller 3D, Halloween animated special and the Scream compilation are the end of this current way of doing things.

It is time for them to present MJ in more of an artistic format surely.
 
there is only a finite amount of unreleased Michael Jackson material left, that you should treat each outtake as a small treasure. Give us their backstory, take us back to the time they were created and some insight into what they could have become - give each of these songs their moment in the spotlight.

The way the MJ Estate treated (read: totally ignored) 2014's XSCAPE title track has shown us that they have no idea how to present his modern recordings to the public or the fans, they are forever stuck with the myth of how the King of Pop conquered the music business. That's why they took yet another 80ies demo recording and promoted the hell out of it with a feature by both a currently popular music artist and producer.
While the title track (the original version) isn't as danceable as LNFSG, creative minds could actually create a haunting visual experience. But that requires hard work and they will always prefer easy pickings.

Timbaland's (IMO horribly dull) work on XSCAPE went totally unnoticed except for the alternate chart-topping LNFSG mix.
That shows you how miserably they failed to reimpress people with new MJ music - be it unreleased or crap..., erm "contemporized".


Do not expect them to change. Money isn't being made with unreleased music, especially not if the name is MICHAEL JACKSON. There is a way more lucrative business portfolio.
 
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Same here I also have no interest in it. Just like I still have zero interest in ever getting Xscape. It's been like what 7 years since the Michael album came out. And it still is in the original plastic wrapper. I wish now I never had gotten it.:(

To be fair, Xscape is a lot better than the Michael album. I got Michael album for Christmas that year :(
 
For me, Xscape blends better and clearly had more time spent on it. However, I can't help but listen to (the seven real songs) on Michael and just grin. That album truly feels like Michael Jackson, whereas Xscape feels like a modern producers approximation of what Michael Jackson would sound like today. (Plus, the demos don't ruffle my feathers all that much.)
 
For me, Xscape blends better and clearly had more time spent on it. However, I can't help but listen to (the seven real songs) on Michael and just grin. That album truly feels like Michael Jackson, whereas Xscape feels like a modern producers approximation of what Michael Jackson would sound like today. (Plus, the demos don't ruffle my feathers all that much.)

I feel the same way. In particular about songs such as Much Too Soon, Best Of Joy, Hollywood Tonight, Behind The Mask. These songs to me are classic MJ. I don't feel that about any song on Xscape even though I really like the album.
 
New compilation album: Best of Posthumous Michael Jackson (basically those four tracks from Michael and the 8 from Xscape)
 
The mistakes they made with Xscape to me were giving priority to the contemporized versions instead of including Michael's original work as part of the promotion as well. In regards of the demos, the reason why they sound horribly mixed is that the estate didn't contact the sound engineers to provide them with either the last take Michael and co. worked on or those engineers to properly mix them. Blue Gangsta and Escape and I think LNFSG were examples of it, those were leaked on Michael's lifetime and sounded better than the ones in the album.
 
The mistakes they made with Xscape to me were giving priority to the contemporized versions instead of including Michael's original work as part of the promotion as well. In regards of the demos, the reason why they sound horribly mixed is that the estate didn't contact the sound engineers to provide them with either the last take Michael and co. worked on or those engineers to properly mix them. Blue Gangsta and Escape and I think LNFSG were examples of it, those were leaked on Michael's lifetime and sounded better than the ones in the album.

Yeah, appreciated!. the leaked versions sounds better!
 
You know what, I think I'm gonna post the same post in this thread that I posted in the 2000 watts section since it's appropriate for this thread also:

Let me see, we've got an album with a fake MJ singer, a video box set on DVD with VHS picture quality and no surround sound, we've got a bad tour show on DVD with VHS picture quality, we've got a remix with Pitbull (WTF), we've got an 'immortal' soundtrack with awful production mixes, we've got off the wall with a piece of chalk and we've got a horrible hologram.

Oh and about the unreleased songs we got there are two important details I want to address. The mixes are awful and not on par like the Bruce Swedien mixes. And we got a lot of songs that already was available online for a decade.

My god, this estate is pissing on the same people who supported Michael all the way, who created his fame and the rise of his star because he always put quality over quantity.

Yes Michael chose Branca to take care of his legacy but the execution is horrible. Instead of pleasing the fans who supported Michael from day one of his career they are focusing on the new generation, the people who are used to crap music like Taylor Swift and the like.

Now we are getting another compilation album with random tracks from all eras (horrible). And the estate is marketing the album like its new and never heard before. Honest to god, this is shameless.

The estate is not listening to us fans, the ones who helped rising Michael's star throughout his career. The decisions they make, makes me realize even more that he is not with us anymore and that he surrounded himself with the wrong people.

The only projects I thought were good were This Is It (the film) and the Xscape project. The latter lacked promotion after release and was dropped to soon.

That's my take. I'm tired of all these disappointments.
 
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To me Xscape was the best combo of music that they could release making the largest range of fans (hardcore to casual) happy. I don't blame them for using more so contemprised music to promote simply because that is more what the general public would care about.. The demos were in there only for US.. us mega fans emailing the estate, on forums that care enough to complain.. We should be happy that the aftermath of 'Michael' and us speaking up did something.. We got those demos.

I promise you if 'Michael' was not released and we did not jump up and down about having original material 'Xscape' would have been only the contemporary versions. I would bet my money on that one..

There will never be a 'perfect' album that satisfies everyone, if there are big fans that would not even open the xscape album than there will always be something to hate about any other future release.. Simply because Michael is not here to make new music and vet what he wants vs. what he doesn't want released.
 
KOPV- Simply because Michael is not here to make new music and vet what he wants vs. what he doesn't want released. So True. I know how we all feel about the Michael cd i was so excited to get it but when it came out about fake tracks on there i was so mad i stop listening to Michael i want a cd that was all Michael. I am glad the fans complain about that album because as you see we did get Xscape which was all Michael. The Estate really need to do something about that cd because it was a flop having the fake tracks on there ruin it. What would really makeup for this is a Dangerous25 thought i throw that in there wishful thinking.


I like Michael Jackson Scream album i did hear the tracks and it is good some songs do not need to be on there but it songs that do not get that much attention i hope it sale well and we get a new generations of Michael Jackson fans.:)
 
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I like the idea of SCREAM and I will of course support it and buy it but I just have to say that the tracklist doesn't make sense at all! Nice to see Somebody's Watching Me and Torture and especially Threatened, but I simply can not understand why they didn't include 2Bad and also Is It Scary. 2Bad is a masterpiece (both the song and the video) and Is It Scary actually has the scary theme (music, lyrics, the video and the title itself!). Better title for the album would be Is It Scary although Scream is also cool.

Still don't understand the inclusion of Dirty Diana (the most), but also Leave Me Alone and some other tracks.
 
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I totally agree with them, it is hauntingly beautiful and stunning design. I like the album teaser too.
The cover itself is a good enough reason for me to buy this, but I haven't made up my mind whether I get glow in the dark album that I cannot play because I don't have that thingy that you need to use to play albums, or will I get cd:dancing cat:
 
I am still in debate about the LP it is 34.98 on Amazon i did get the cd. Should i or should no

That what is missing 2Bad and Is It Scary those would have been perfect on this album.

I wonder if my store Walgreen will sell this we have in the pass sold Michael Jackson cds if we do i will make sure it sell out.
 
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I was thinking about getting this. But after seeing the songs on this album I am definitely not getting it. I mean why in the world do I want an MJ album with songs that I already have. When are they going to released an MJ album with songs that us MJ fans never heard before? I have For The Record book and there are a lot of his songs listed in that book. That us MJ fans have never heard before that he did actually record. It says so in the book. But I will admit that image of the cover is nice. That is all that I like about it. But I am not wasting my money on MJ album with songs I heard countless of times before.
 
I am still in debate about the LP it is 34.98 on Amazon i did get the cd. Should i or should no

That what is missing 2Bad and Is It Scary those would have been perfect on this album.

I wonder if my store Walgreen will sell this we have in the pass sold Michael Jackson cds if we do i will make sure it sell out.
Good for you!!! :) I've seen the Michael album at Walgreens once in awhile.

I think I just want this as a poster. I do hope this is the soundtrack to the animated special-and that's why they used Leave Me Alone, etc. And I like that they used some obscure songs (for the mainstream), to get people interested in other later songs.
 
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