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mj_frenzy;4236228 said:I know that there are subtle differences in the syllables in that hook (in these two songs).
I just wanted to present the Dibango case in one sentence, so I avoided getting into such details which do not change the fact.
That change everything about what you have said, the difference between a plagiarism (so identical to the song), and a strong inspiration, because these two sounds are very different.
mj_frenzy;4236228 said:Frank Dileo’s contribution to the success of the ‘Thiller’ album was huge (at that time he was Vice President of Promotions at Epic Records).
But especially Dileo’s idea about shooting & releasing the ‘Thriller’ video, which boosted even more sales of the album.
It was because of those contributions that MJ thought that he should hire him as his manager, which he did in March (1984).
You don't know Dileo contribution except his own quotes (so not objective), yes he have helped Jackson (with the release of the singles Beat it/Billie Jean) because it was his commercial role, but in artistic role about music ? just lol, look we know near nothing about his role; maybe he was also part of the team "don't use money for Thriller video"from Epic.
See my quotes with the direct Jackson artists teams, who have clearly said, and among them, Quincy Jones, one of the biggest critic against Jackson post-mortem, that the decision was already in place for a Thriller music video during the recording, they don't have said that in the same time, but during different years and events; also if I trust Moonwalk book, Dileo have just said you should make another music video; nothing indicate he have said "Thriller", but Swieden himself have said it was an obvious choice for a mini-movie, a plan who was already in Jackson mind during the creation of the album, nobody have "pushed him" to do that.
Look, my problem with Dileo quote, he sound he have influenced Michael about music and I quote him: "you should dance with zombies"; like he have created the concept of this music video, it's simply a joke, and again Michael has already done a short movie music video with "can you feel it", Thriller was just the continuity of that.
Also, yes the sales was better thanks the music video, but it was already the biggest selling album in all the time in US/worldwide according the Guiness in Feb 1984 (the award clearly said that it was during the year of 1983, so before Thriller music video who was in Dec. of this year).
mj_frenzy;4236228 said:All your quotes you posted come after MJ’s death, too.
Yes but they were present during the artistic process of the song and don't have said "that because of me, thanks to me !!! applause my influence, my genius and my creativity !!!", something they could have easily said, and like with Dileo, you would have trusted them, again Dileo is not an artist, also we can't really accuse Quincy Jones to be nice with Jackson after his death, the quote is indirectly toward the music video, he talked more about the Poe elements of the song; and regardless, that two sources who give credit to Jackson and not themselves, against one who give credit to himself, again nobody have confirmed the Dileo version.
mj_frenzy;4236228 said:Do not rely on such public, positive events (like the MJ’s part of the 2013 Dubai Music week festival), when you want to gather unbiased, reliable information about MJ.
The aim of such events is to portray MJ in a positive light because they want to promote his posthumous legacy.
They even advertise that particular aim they serve.
Also, Bruce Swedien always butters MJ up, so, do not take everything he says about MJ as fact.
Why ? Because they have said something positive about Jackson ? Look, I don't have quoted Swieden, but Temperton, the guy was extremely discreet, very shy, and Jones in general don't hesitate to insult in public Michael, also they are far more objective than me, you, or Dileo, and others guys from Epic/Sony etc..., because they were present during the built of these albums, during all the process, they are a direct source.
mj_frenzy;4236228 said:MJ settled the Dibango case out of court not because they found a compromise, but because he knew he would lose the case, so he wanted to avoid further, huge legal damages.
No, people settled in court to don't have futur problem (see for example Ray Park Jr/Huey Lewis fiasco), in fact most of them have a clause of silence, it's an agreement, but you know we can take also the problem in the other side, Dibango have accepted the proposition and don't have fought for a far more important royalties, because he know that he will lose the case in a trial and he is aware that ultimately the two sound of mama etc... are very different, imo they have agreed because it was the best insterest for both at this moment, both avoided the eventual damage public image, but accept that don't mean your are guilty.
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