Parties came to a settlement agreement. Per settlement agreement Estate will be getting 200 photos from Victory tour and the parties agreed that Estate owns the copyrights of the photos.
Any idea if there were more than 200 pictures involved? And if so, I guess they can be sold as long as the buyer is informed that the estate holds the copyright for reprint?Parties came to a settlement agreement. Per settlement agreement Estate will be getting 200 photos from Victory tour and the parties agreed that Estate owns the copyrights of the photos.
Any idea if there were more than 200 pictures involved? And if so, I guess they can be sold as long as the buyer is informed that the estate holds the copyright for reprint?
I guess since the ownership dispute was confusing and took so long to settle, the Estate might have had to pay something in this settlement. Is that logical? Or is that just the normal delay in these kinds of court proceedings?
If Victory is ever released officially, there will be no excuse for a gorgeous photo book to not accompany the DVD and live CD.
Release Victory now Estate/Sony. Estate, please do not gain 200 photos only to hide in a vault away from fans.
If Victory is ever released officially, there will be no excuse for a gorgeous photo book to not accompany the DVD and live CD.
Release Victory now Estate/Sony. Estate, please do not gain 200 photos only to hide in a vault away from fans.
Just so you know - most (if not all) of the photos have been public for some time. This is the Vaccaro photos. He opened a pay per view site for them in 2005 (some fans took it from there and shared them publicly), these photos have been used in Katherine Jackson's book etc. So they aren't hidden and I'm sure we have seen most of them in some way or another.
Where are the photos?
I believe there are more than 200 photos. If you remember during the auction Estate asked them to add a note saying that the copyright was disputed and some people agreed to get the photos only with no copyright.
The agreement is public and Estate isn't paying anything. The reason it took a long time is they needed to find who the consignor is and then deal with all the discovery etc.
Just so you know - most (if not all) of the photos have been public for some time. This is the Vaccaro photos. He opened a pay per view site for them in 2005 (some fans took it from there and shared them publicly), these photos have been used in Katherine Jackson's book etc. So they aren't hidden and I'm sure we have seen most of them in some way or another. It's just that after all these years and the photos changing hands multiple times (first sold to Howard Mann and then given to Mann's lawyer Durst) and multiple lawsuits (starting from MJ's lawsuit against Vaccaro, Estate's lawsuit against Mann & Vaccaro and Estate's lawsuit against the auction house and Mann's lawyer Durst), Estate was finally able to establish their copyright.
So someone is out of pocket and has had to hand over 200 images of the tour?
So someone is out of pocket and has had to hand over 200 images of the tour?
and if you didn't see them before, you are welcome. now you don't have to wait for Victory release to see them.
I have not seen the majority of these photos.
Very unfortunate they are being viewed on an auction website instead of being released in context via a Victory release.
The Estate has copyright ownership now; let us hope they do something valuable with the photos instead of what they are currently doing with them.
hmm a little hard to answer, not much out of pocket IMO.
everyone is paying their own legal expenses so they had that expense. They are returning Estate the 200 or so images and agreeing Estate is the copyright owner of the photos.
the proceeds of the auction was held in escrow account. the people who thought they were getting the photos AND the copyrights will be refunded their money. people who agreed they are just buying the photos WITHOUT the copyrights, will get the photos they purchased and the money they paid for the photos will be given to the Estate.
In short they agreed Estate is the owner of the photos. Durst and Premiere is paying their own legal expenses. The rest is being handled with the money from the buyers of the auction.
otos instead of what they are currently doing with them.
Thank you, also to add to the loses would be whatever the memorabilia store paid for them int the first place, unless they were simply a 3rd party for advertising benefits. (?)
I don't think they have them yet. All I saw was a notice of an agreement, nothing to confirm that the agreement was executed. Plus given the history involving these items / Vaccaro items, they had a hard time enforcing anything with that group of people. We'll see if this will be different.
I, they were just the auction house for the items. They hadn't paid for them. Mann paid for these items to Vaccaro and then Mann gave these as a payment to his lawyer Durst. So I guess Durst is losing a payday.[/QUOTE]
If that is the case then I would call that the icing on the cake.
Plus given the history involving these items / Vaccaro items, they had a hard time enforcing anything with that group of people. We'll see if this will be different.
Questions please: I know there were issues with the Estate and Vaccaro in the past but, are you stating the Estate is not able to enforce judgments against Vaccaro/group? What prevented the Estate from enforcing past judgment(s) against Vaccaro/group and what will prevent the Estate from enforcing this judgment against Vaccaro/group?
So given the history of these items and these people , I personally would wait to see if the agreement will be executed properly. I wouldn't be surprised if there was any problems with enforcing the court rulings and/or settlements.