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Re: Jacksons vs AEG - Day 1 - April 29 2013 - Discussion

"The undersigned hereby certifies that he has asked the producers to hire Dr. Murray. For the appointed time in the name and at the expense of the undersigned. "

Michael Jackson

Hi Annita, is the above sentence part of Murray's not fully signed contract?
 
Re: Jacksons vs AEG - Day 1 - April 29 2013 - Discussion

Strongly suggested that Murray do something as dangerous as using Propofol in a home setting, or strongly suggest that Michael is afforded the best in order for him to be in the best shape possible. That is the question.

I'm just an outsider looking in, but I can't see the executives at AEG wanting to put Michael in any danger in order for him to be in performance shape. In my opinion, that defeats the purpose.

I agree with above. AEG honchos emailing to CM to get Michael in shape in no way mean that they were telling CM to pump Michael full of propofol, and note that CM has been giving propofol to MJ months prior AEG knew about CM.
They told CM to make Michael healthy, and I believe when the whole email chain is brought up in trial, we will not see word propofol in them, so Jackson's have to prove that they knew.
Also CM ordered propofol on his own name or his company name, paid by his own credit card or checks.
That says something, doesn't it?

So Gonga knew about propofol 20 years ago. So did many others obviously, as per Katherine's deposition.
Does that mean what happen 20 years ago, is still valid after all those years, no in my opinion.
 
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Well the only reason he wasn't paid was because Michael died, otherwise he would have gone to London and been paid.

Yes, but isn't part of the contention the fact that Murray was ALREADY performing services for Michael, way before he was scheduled to be in London?

Does anybody know if "non-essential" tour staff were already being paid. Like for instance, Karen Faye. She was hired to do MJ's make-up for the tour, was she already being paid, or would she have started being paid once she arrived in London.
 
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ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts 2m
Katherine Jackson, Randy and Rebbie just entered the courtroom. Several lawyers, bodyguards and sheriffs escorted the family.

ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts 4m
AEG Live CEO, Shawn Trell, is present too. No members of the Jackson family arrived yet.

ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts 5m
Jacksons attorney, Brian Panish and his team, is already in the courtroom. AEG's attorney Marvin Putnam and his team just entered the room

ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts 27m
There is a very limited number of seats for the media and the public. @ABC7 secured a seat. Our reporter Miriam Hernandez will be inside
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ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts 1m
Courtroom is filled to capacity. Dr. Conrad Murray's appellate lawyer, Valerie Wass, is also present. She says her client is innocent!
 
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ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts 2m
Katherine Jackson, Randy and Rebbie just entered the courtroom. Several lawyers, bodyguards and sheriffs escorted the family.

Oh the Mommy-Nappers are there.

Can't say I'm surprised to see Randy. I mean, in my opinion, this is REALLY his case. Mother is just the "face" of these proceedings.

I wonder where Janet is, I figured IF she came she would be attached to Randy's hip. Oh well, maybe she's running late, or after the whole Mommy-napping thing, maybe she's just running...........
 
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It seems to be the right time to do a bit of OT.

Just to say a big thank you to you all, and the staff at MJJC, for the updates and comments. I can't follow this very closely, so I'll be relying on you, and probably ask stupid questions every now and then.

Anyway, a big hug to you all, now that this is starting.
 
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Oh the Mommy-Nappers are there.

Can't say I'm surprised to see Randy. I mean, in my opinion, this is REALLY his case. Mother is just the "face" of these proceedings.

I wonder where Janet is, I figured IF she came she would be attached to Randy's hip. Oh well, maybe she's running late, or after the whole Mommy-napping thing, maybe she's just running...........

I'm surprised to see that Jermaine is not there as part of granny-nappers, and he loves cameras flashes on his face.

I'm glad kids were left home and they weren't paraded on front of cameras, wise decision from K's lawyers (1st one imo).
 
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Corina Knoll ?@corinaknoll 6m Opening statements in Michael Jackson-AEG civil trial have begun with Brian Panish, the Jackson family's attorney.

Corina Knoll ?@corinaknoll 3m Before trial, judge is supposed to rule on motions, including whether Michael Jackson's medical history will be made public.

Corina Knoll ?@corinaknoll 1m Judge Yvette Palazuelos is seated now. Jurors still waiting in hallway. #MJ-AEG civil trial

Corina Knoll ?@corinaknoll 1h Apparently only two Michael Jackson fans will get seats inside the courtroom via a lottery system

Corina Knoll ?@corinaknoll 25m Katherine Jackson and several other family members just arrived in the courtroom. "We love you Mrs. Jackson," someone said

Corina Knoll ?@corinaknoll 5m MJ "will be thrown under the bus by both parties. It's not really about justice. It's about who's going to make money." --fan

Corina Knoll ?@corinaknoll 7m Fan drove 70 miles: "It's nothing when you love Michael as much as I love him. Somebody has to come out and speak up for him."

Corina Knoll ?@corinaknoll 1h Michael Jackson-AEG civil trial begins today. Media and fans waiting in hallway, hoping to get a seat inside.
 
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I'm surprised to see that Jermaine is not there as part of granny-nappers, and he loves cameras flashes on his face.

I'm glad kids were left home and they weren't paraded on front of cameras, wise decision from K's lawyers (1st one imo).

Jermaine was "probably" scheduled to make an appearance, but that was BEFORE that "Deadbeat Dad" article came out. Son might be laying low for a minute. You know how it is, can't have folks screaming out questions about his lack of child support payments. That's bad for the Jackson family image.

In my opinion, the children were NEVER going to be there. That was put out there to cause a little buzz, in my opinion. Anyway aren't they in school, or is the school year over for them?
 
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And she shows up with the ones who almost cost her Michael's kids. No Mrs Jackson don't love us more try loving your son more.. oh wait to late
 
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Why is this trial in such a tiny courtroom so that there's no room for fans (only 2 seats for fans--huh?)?

Why do KJ, Rebbie, Randy need to have bodyguards IN THE COURTROOM?? I am sure the court has security guards right there--the bodyguards could wait outside and let some more fans have seats.
 
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ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts1m
Jury walking into the courtroom now. Opening statements to begin shortly.

ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts1m
They were escorted by the courtroom assistant. Opening has begun.

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I guess no word on the motions yet.

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ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts1m
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ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts1m
Jury walking into the courtroom now. Opening statements to begin shortly.

ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts1m
They were escorted by the courtroom assistant. Opening has begun.

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I guess no word on the motions yet.

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ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts1m
Watch @ABC7 Eyewitness News at 11am, 4, 5, 6, 11pm for the latest updates, video of arrivals, news conferences. We'll post stories online 2

Isn't tweeting from the courtroom forbidden? Or only camera were banned?
 
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Corina Knoll ?@corinaknoll Slide presentation of photos/details of Jackson's life: "Performing since 6 years old; 44 years in show business."
 
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ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts3m
From outside the hallway through a little windows on the courtroom's door I see presentation of MJ's video; mention of Pepsi commercial

ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts1m
Brian Panish, attorney for the Jacksons, is showing a video presentation to the jury. There was a slide showing drug Demerol.

ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts1m
There's a slide up now showing the relationship between Michael Jackson & Dr. Conrad Murray. Jury to decide who hired Dr. Murray: AEG or MJ?

ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts2m
Panish showing slide of drug Propofol. It says MJ was given the powerful anesthetic almost daily for six months

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I'm confused how Panish can say Murray gave MJ Propofol almost daily for 6 months?
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Randy and rebbie shock horror lol

so mj was given dip for 6 months. thats a new one. will there be a summary thread for each day as after scanning through this little bit i could throw up already
 
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TM and Sam de Gosson are the 2 fans in the hearing today, according to LA times article ( Posted in News today section)
 
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^^^^ It's a good job I can't comment in the news only thread. :puke:

I wonder if that ABC reporter misheard from outside the court room, cos 6 months is wrong.
 
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Panish showing slide of drug Propofol. It says MJ was given the powerful anesthetic almost daily for six months

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I'm confused how Panish can say Murray gave MJ Propofol almost daily for 6 months?
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SIX MONTHS!

I'm confused also. That has to be a mistake. I mean, I don't see how that bit of information helps Mother's case. What am I missing here?
 
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I wonder if that ABC reporter misheard from outside the court room, cos 6 months is wrong.

Or will they say Michael was given Propofol by another doc as well (Klein)?
 
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ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts1m
Brian Panish, attorney for the Jacksons, is showing a video presentation to the jury. There was a slide showing drug Demerol.

Already talking about Demerol! This makes me want to puke.
 
OPENING STATEMENTS BEGIN IN JACKSON DEATH TRIAL

By ANTHONY McCARTNEY — Apr. 29 2:10 PM EDT




LOS ANGELES (AP) — An attorney for Michael Jackson's mother says AEG Live owed it to the pop superstar to properly investigate the doctor held criminally responsible for his death.

The comments by Brian Panish came Monday during opening statements in Katherine Jackson's lawsuit against concert giant AEG Live, which she says should be held civilly liable for her son's 2009 death.

Panish says AEG is the only entity that claims it didn't know about Jackson's addiction to prescription drugs.

AEG officials have denied any wrongdoing, and its lawyers have said company executives could not have foreseen the circumstances that led to a physician giving Jackson doses of the anesthetic propofol as a sleep aid.

A jury of six men and six women will determine whether AEG is liable and any damages award.

Concert giant AEG Live owed a duty to properly investigate the doctor who treated Michael Jackson, an attorney for the singer's mother told a jury Monday morning.

"His stirring voice, his musical genius, his creativity and his generosity and his huge heart was extinguished forever," attorney Brian Panish said in opening statements of a civil lawsuit filed over Jackson's June 2009 death. Katherine Jackson is suing AEG claiming it failed to properly investigate the doctor convicted of involuntary manslaughter over Jackson's death.

"You're going to hear the whole story about what happened in the death of Michael Jackson," Panish said.

Panish made his remarks in an opening presentation filled with slides detailing the case against AEG, which was promoting Jackson's planned comeback concerts, "This Is It."

Jackson's mother, brother Randy and sister Rebbie sat in the front row of the courtroom as Panish detailed aspects of Jackson's life.

An attorney for AEG is expected to begin addressing the panel later Monday.

Millions, and possibly billions, of dollars are at stake. A jury of six men and six women will determine any damage award.

Katherine Jackson sued the company in September 2010, claiming it failed to properly investigate former physician Conrad Murray before allowing him to serve as Jackson's tour doctor. She is also suing on behalf of her son's three children, Prince, Paris and Blanket.

AEG denies it hired Murray and its attorneys have said they could not have foreseen the circumstances that led to Jackson's death at age 50. A jury convicted Murray of giving Jackson a fatal dose of the anesthetic propofol in 2011. The hospital-grade anesthetic was being administered as a sleep aid.

Panish told jurors they would be putting together a puzzle, with three pieces being Jackson, Murray and AEG Live.

He told the panel that Jackson suffered from addiction to prescription medications and Demerol at times during his life, and the problem increased when he was keeping up a rigorous schedule. Panish cited a 1984 accident that injured Jackson during a Pepsi commercial suit as causing the singer tremendous physical pain throughout his life.

"Over the years Michael family's and people who knew him believed he had a problem with prescription medication," Panish told jurors. He said the only group that would claim they didn't know about Jackson's addiction issues were AEG and its executives.

The lawyer showed a brief clip of Jackson rehearing for the "This Is It" shows and a clip of the singer dancing in the early stages of his presentation. He also showed footage of 1999 show in Munich in which Jackson was performing when a bridge dropped 50 feet with the singer on it. Despite pain, Jackson continued performing, Panish said.

Panish said Jackson turned to Demerol to relieve his pain.

Katherine Jackson and her two oldest grandchildren, Prince and Paris, are listed as possible witnesses. An AEG attorney said Monday that the company intends to call Murray as a witness in the case as well.

Murray did not testify at his criminal trial.

Panish told jurors they would have to determine who was responsible for Jackson's death.

"Michael paid the ultimate price. He died," Panish said. "Michael has taken responsibility."


Source: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/opening-statements-begin-jackson-civil-case

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AP Special Correspondent Linda Deutsch contributed to this report.
Anthony McCartney can be reached at http://twitter.com/mccartneyAP
 
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Corina Knoll ?@corinaknoll 51s Jackson's drug use started after Pepsi commercial, attorney says

(Article postd in news day 1 thread..but doesn't add much more. )
 
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  • ABC7 Court News?@ABC7Courts5m
    Morning session over. Plaintiffs halfway through their opening statements. Katherine, Randy and Rebbie out of the courtroom. Jurors out too

 
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 38s Courtroom is packed, every seat filled with attorneys, media, Jackson family.
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 53s Katherine Jackson sat in front row, with Randy on her left and Rebbie on her right-hand side. #jacksontrial

Court day started out with AEG objecting to use of several slides in Jacksons’ opening statements. Judge overruled many of them.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 40s AEG also didn’t want a heavily redacted email shown to jury about Conrad Murray’s strip club visits.
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 25s AEG preferred explicit mention of clubs to redaction.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 1m For those interested, AEG attorney Marvin Putnam said this morning that they’re not contesting Jackson’s death.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 1m On strip clubs reference, the judge made plaintiffs slightly alter the slide.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 1m Conrad Murray’s appellate attorney Valerie Wass is also in the coutroom. Panish (KJ attorney) gave her a shout-out this morning

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 1m There were roughly 25 minutes of objections to the proposed opening presentation by plaintiff’s attorney Brian Panish. Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 1m “Clearly Mr. Jackson died.” _ AEG attorney Marvin Putnam. Last week, plaintiffs tried to make point AEG wasn’t conceding Jackson was dead.



Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 1m Plaintiff’s side also objected to several AEG slides, including one that apparently listed the $40 billion damages estimate.

Plaintiff’s attorney Kevin Boyle argued that the figure was thrown out there to preserve Jackson family’s rights.
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 1m Panish accused Wass of sitting near AEG attorneys. She was in a back row with reporters and a deputy. AEG folks are in front rows


Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 20s AEG had problems too, Panish said during openings, arguing they were feeling pressure from concert promoter Live Nation.
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 30s Panish detailed Murray’s money problems. He also used a slide drawing a line directly from AEG logo to picture of Murray.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 42s Panish said MJ family, friends, knew about Jackson’s addiction problems. He says only one who claims it didn’t know is AEG.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 52s He tells jury that MJ’s addiction worse when he was under intense schedule, lots of pressure.
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 59s Panish’s openings focused heavily on Jackson’s addiction to prescription medication.
Cited Jackson’s Demerol treatments.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 1m He told jury that they were there to assess the loss of Jackson to his mother and children. No dollar figure given.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 1m Panish’s opening statements began with a clip of Jackson rehearsing for “This Is It” tour.” He briefly detailed singer’s life.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 1m Jacksons (Katherine, Randy & Rebbie) all stood when jurors entered. Probably first people many saw when entering courtroom.


Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 4m Judge said before bringing in jury that two have sent notes to court. She said they can be addressed later. (No word on note's contents.)
Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 5m $40b Statement not filed in court, Boyle argued. Judge is going to allow AEG to show damages slide to jury.



Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 1m That takes us to the lunch break. Court will resume at 1:30 p.m. Pacific Time. (I'll post an updated story link shortly.)

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 1m Panish showed slide showing that Conrad Murray owed back child support, facing foreclosure, while caring for MJ.


Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 2m Before lunch break, Panish discussed AEG not performing background check on Conrad Murray.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 2m Panish used videotaped deposition one of AEG’s experts, Marty Hom, to make point about $5 million being red flag.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3m He told jurors that AEG ignored red flags, including that Conrad Murray initially asked for $5 million to serve as MJ’s tour doc.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 7m Panish showed a number of emails between AEG execs Paul Gongaware and Randy Phillips about MJ’s condition.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 8m Panish walked jurors briefly through Jackson’s contract with AEG. Lots of slides, and jury seem to be looking at them, some taking notes.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 8m “They didn’t care who got lost in the wash.” _ Brian Panish on AEG’s involvement in Jackson comeback concerts.

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 8m Jackson’s London shows were a solution to AEG's problem, and it was basically win-at-all-costs, Panish said.



Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 3m Katherine Jackson's attorney talked for about an hour and 15 minutes, which is half his allotted time.
 
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After reading Mr. McCartney's tweets, I'm not impressed with Mr. Panish's opening statement, thus far.

Maybe he's saving the best for last. He still has an hour and some change to go. We shall see, I guess.

As to Michael's so-called "addiction problems," I'm no medical expert, but didn't his autopsy basically prove that he was NOT abusing prescription medication?
 
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Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 2m Panish used videotaped deposition one of AEG’s experts, Marty Hom, to make point about $5 million being red flag.

I also believe that after Murray made the initial request for FIVE MILLION DOLLARS, the AEG executives wanted no part of his greedy behind.
 
Corina Knoll ‏@corinaknoll 1m "You know what AEG’s problem was? They were not No. 1 in the concert business but they wanted to be." Jackson family's attorney

Corina Knoll ‏@corinaknoll 1m "You do what you gotta do if you want to be No. 1 in this rough business of concert promotions.” -Jackson family's attorney

Corina Knoll ‏@corinaknoll 1m “Forget about helping Mr. Jackson. The show must go on.” -Jackson family's attorney

Corina Knoll ‏@corinaknoll 1m Court resumes @ 1:30. Jackson's family attorney expected to take another half-hour. Then it's defense's opening statement.
 
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