Verdict Reached: AEG NOT Liable - Discussion- Katherine Jackson vs AEG

[Korgnex]

Regarding Randy Jackson, as a reminder, some facts:

@stella

I have seen you ask Randy's history - lawsuits & criminal

- Randy was arrested in 1988 for driving without a license and a warrant for a failure to appear on a minor traffic offense. Jackson posted $262 and was released.

- In 1991, Randy was arrested for a misdemeanor battery charge with Eliza Jackson, his wife. Eliza alleged that Randy had hit both her and her daughter, Steveanna. Randy pled guilty to one count of battery, was placed on two years' probation and ordered to attend domestic violence classes, however Randy did not comply with the d.v. class requirement. Eliza called the police again, because she said the violence had not stopped and Randy was arrested again. This time, Randy was ordered to Pine Grove Hospital to take his domestic violence classes. Pine Grove Hospital is a psychiatric facility.

- In 1996, Randy Jackson filed for bankruptcy. However, he pled guilty to bankruptcy fraud in 2001 because he failed to report a 1995 Chevrolet Suburban that he owned. He was fined $21,100.

- In 1997, Randy was named to the Board of Directors of Modern Records. Randy bought out the majority share of stock from Paul Fishkin. There are reports that Modern Records, under Randy Jackson, leaked information that stated that the Jacksons would sign with the label, but were vague regarding Michael's signature. Jackie, Jermaine, Marlon and Tito were hired as consultants in 1998. By 1999, Randy was in trouble again with bankruptcy court. "According to reports, Jackson failed to turn in nearly 12 million shares of Modern Record, Inc., a company he runs with members of the Jackson family." By the year 2000, Modern Records sued Randy for mismanagement of funds. Modern alleged Randy "failed to pay quarterly employee withholding taxes and health insurance premiums. The suit also alleges that Randy misspent promotions money - most notably on apartments for him and a girlfriend, and to pay off the charges the couple ran up on their credit cards. And the suit says, he failed to disclose that he previously filed for bankruptcy." The new Board of Directors ousted Randy, but it took a lawsuit for Randy to finally recognize that his stint at Modern Records was over.

source: http://mjandjustice4some.blogspot.com/2012/07/randy-jackson-one-side-of-coin.html

so one traffic violation, one domestic violence, two bankruptcy frauds and one civil claim of fraud. 3 arrests (one traffic, 2 domestic violence) , 3 or 4 pleading guilty (traffic, domestic violence, one or two bankruptcy fraud).

 

[Bubs]

Re: Verdict Watch - Discussion- Katherine Jackson vs AEG

Welcome to the club, I am an AEG plant.

I have to say, I feel a bit left out that for some reason I'm not called plant for any party:-(

I would like to know how those fans claiming other fans to be Sony/Estate/AEG plant explain their reasoning for such a thing, how would it work in reality?

Sony/AEG/executors contact on some fans and ask them to be in their side and they should try to turn MJ fans to their side, and promise to pay them some money? Then those people come here and talk favourable terms of AEG or other parties. How that is going to help AEG in any way? Trial are fought in courtrooms, not in fan boards?

Lets look at this poll, 71 of them said AEG is not liable. Does that mean all those people are paid by AEG. When and if AEG asks judge to order Jackson's to pay costs for this trial, would AEG send a billing to Jacksons which includes salaries for those plants or do those plants get paid under the table?


Honestly, you should take it as compliment, those who accuses you and others for being plant of Sony/AEG/Estate, they just feel threatened by you, and feel that you are too reasonable and logical with your explanations to be just a plain Michael Jackson fan
This goes with Ivy, Korgenex and others who has been accused with such a name.

 

[ivy]

And you know what? Because of emotions people have been targeting Ivy for some time now, just yesterday her haters wrote an article that says Ivy would be an "Estate-sponsored PR plant secretly manipulating fans"...

I understand how emotions resulted in targeting me, on and off this board. for some people this trial was important ant they preferred the biased approach of "AEG the horrible" or "team Katherine Jackson". However in reality there's no place for emotion at trials and I dared to also bring AEG's side to the table. Unfortunately as the other people were Pro-Jacksons, it made us look like we were pro-AEG when we weren't. As far as I'm concerned everyone here & following me on twitter got a better and more true picture of what was going on and they were a lot more ready for the verdict. they weren't caught by shock. For example there was one fan group who reported about Jacksons closing arguments but refused to report AEG's closing arguments. When you do that you no longer operate in reality. We operated in a reality, it might not been a pretty reality but it was reality.

Also when presented with inconvenient truths blaming other people seems to be an easier route. rather than accepting AEG had a chance to win this trial, blaming me seems to be easier. Rather than accepting there are people who criticize Jacksons, blaming me for manipulating them seems to be an easier route to take.

Gosh, those fan wars are so pathetic. If they only realized how much time they are losing to think about all this BS, telling oneself to know exactly the reasoning of one person and they would have "exposed" that person as some sort of spy or whatelse they could come up with.

and what did they expose? that I'm an educated professional that knows what I'm talking about. It's just a waste of their time. I also personally don't get people who say they are "for Michael" and justice and etc but all they can do is google people, harass them and try to extort them to leave. I don't get such behavior and I have no time for such behavior.

I love when we get some humor in all this and the bold is hilarious. If Michael Jackson fans could be manipulated, ESPECIALLY by PR, there would be no Michael Jackson fans.

see that's the thing. saying I have some sort of influence in the community isn't really an insult to me. It shows people respect me. However stating people can be manipulated is insult to the fans. In reality everyone has brains. Just because they follow me or read what I write doesn't mean they would blindly accept everything I say. People use their brains to question and challenge me and they choose what to agree with or not. So saying people are being manipulated by me or anyone else, is actually insulting to those people. Also it brings the question of - if it is so easy to manipulate people, why can't they manipulate people to think their way?

Dear Ivy
Thank you so much for all you have done for the Kat vs AEG Trial. I know you worked very hard to bring us all the information for over 5 months. Updating the news, doing the summaries and explaining legal matters etc etc. I'm very sad you have been attacked and vilified by certain factions of the fan base outside of MJJC as you were doing this for us. But you never gave up or quit on us. Please know how much you are loved and appreciated for all you do. :heart:

^^I second that.

this sums it all up - thank you - so much it is very much appreciate and I've learned a lot about the american law.:flowers:

But sometimes the american law goes not conform with my feelings as a fan of Michael.

Thamk Ivy you are the best beautiful job you did and you took the time to explain it.

Thank you everyone. Yes being attacked wasn't a nice thing but they did not know me. I try to be as nice as possible and I don't take well to threats and extortion attempts. I'm also comfortable in my own skin about who I am and my love of Michael. I don't have anything to prove to anyone.

I'm curious how attorneys and KJ knew that there is going to be verdict?
ABC7 tweeted this at 10:08
Day 4 of deliberations. Jury began work at 9:37 am PT. Several attorneys here today: Kevin Boyle, Brian Panish, Marvin Putnam, Kathryn Cahan

and at 1:54 ABC7 tweeted that verdict is in? When verdict came in CM vs. People, KJ was at home but she was called in. This time she was already there like her side knew the verdict was coming today?

ABC7 said that jurors came dressed up today so they expected it. Also in my opinion jurors working without taking a break in the morning showed that they are closer to a verdict. Normally jurors will be relaxed, and if they are close to the verdict they would minimize the breaks so that they can reach to a verdict and be done.

or Q & A with Randy?

Randy who? Jackson or Phillips?

and actually let's start discussing Q&A's. Who do you want me to try with? I can't promise anything but I'll definitely reach out and ask.

 

[SheilaMJFan4Ever]

If you look your own posts, they are full of hate for AEG, so we are the same, the direction of hate is only difference.
You can say my post is full of hate toward Randy and some other Jackson's, but the hate is there because what they did to MJ and they still are doing to Michael's kids, and today is the day for celebration for me because he lost his case, and rightly so.

Btw, which part of what NG said is not true, and can you back up your claims?
What NG said, I can back up what she said with list of thing about Jacksons.

You say I cannot say so because I don't know if it is true (insert eyebrown lift here).
You say based on what you have read, heard or saw last 4 years, EG should have known.

According to yourself, no you cannot say that because you don't know if its true.
Or do you mean that you can say, but I can't because I'm going against your beliefs?

Btw no 2, it is funny that you say AEG should have known, but people living in the house didn't have a clue, but you are great that you could say you knew, even though you weren't in the house.

Well said, Bubs! I'd like to add to your points with this FACT: Michael left his siblings and father NOTHING in his will (which they tried desperately to discredit and that blew up in their faces too). Michael himself cut them off and it was his right to do so. If that FACT doesn't speak volumes to fans like mjchris, then NOTHING WILL.

 

[Tygger]

I wonder how many of the jurors had made up their minds before the trial that Michael was an addict and therefore was partially responsible for his own death?

The one juror who talked about Michael's addiction and his supposed willingness to doctor-shop does not seemed to interpreted the evidence the way some of us did on the board. I was hoping that being privy to some of Michael's personal details, there would have been more compassion, empathy and understanding.

For this one juror, that does not appear to be the case.

But this too will blow over and Michael's legacy will continue to thrive.

Agreed. Answering no to question two made Michael 100% responsible for his own passing. The doctor will most likely get his licenses back. This verdict supports that if it was not for Michael, this fit and competent doctor would have never killed him by negligently administering propofol. Michael asked for propofol and no one says no to Michael Jackson.

Yes there was evidence to show they didn't know .. but There was no evidence to show they did know about Murray being negligent or propofol.

Refresh my memory please. There is no evidence to show AEG did not know and there is no evidence to show Michael hired the doctor. Phillips and Gongaware testified they did not recall if the doctor was there to treat Michael's sleep issues.

^^ Did Matt offer for Murray to come to the show, or did Murray volunteer? And if Murray volunteered, did Lauer reject or accept the offer?

And I agree that we need to be proactive as opposed to reactive. We need to make it clear that treating Murray like a celebrity, instead of a criminal, is disgraceful and unacceptable.

But he is in jail for homicide I hear he is due out next month. He should serve his whole sentence. Hope he never practises again. He should not be allowed to write a book on the subject. How many out there would pay for this.

The majority of mainstream media has not supported Michael Jackson. This verdict proves Michael is 100% responsible for his passing. There is no reason why the media will not court the doctor as they have been successfully profiting from courting him during his two years in prison. As per this verdict, this doctor only killed Michael because Michael asked him to administer propofol and the doctor did not have the authority or responsibility to say no to Michael Jackson.

He will mostly likely get his licenses back and I hope he does. I also hope he will pen the book many have been wishing and hoping for. Some fans will support it by buying it, distributing it, and discussing it which will keep the doctor's legacy of killing the man this board is named after alive.

Don't you think when Michael was shivering & disoriented he asked Murray what was going on? And Murray likely gave him an explanation that satisfied Michael otherwise he would have been calling Klein, Metzger & other doctors for help. Michael was no fool. I'm not a medical doctor, but based on the testimony from both the criminal and civil trials, we can safely reason that the "deterioration" was a combination of symptoms related to the propofol and the normal/customary (for MJ) stresses of rehearsing. The coroner, once again, characterized Michael as "healthy."

The jurors weren't confused.

Michael questioning the doctor about his deterioration is not in evidence however, he did question Lee and that is in evidence in both the criminal and civil trial. There is also no evidence the deterioration was from stress of rehearsing. Evidence showed deterioration was from lack of sleep.

I believe the jurors were confused and every interview with a juror cements that belief for me.

There was no evidence Michael hired the doctor and there was no legal reason to question if AEG knew about propofol and yet jurors have repeated this endlessly in their interviews. Michael passed from negligent propofol administration not from his addiction to propofol that was also not proven in court.

 

[ivy]

Re: Verdict Watch - Discussion- Katherine Jackson vs AEG

I have to say, I feel a bit left out that for some reason I'm not called plant for any party:-(

I would like to know how those fans claiming other fans to be Sony/Estate/AEG plant explain their reasoning for such a thing, how would it work in reality?

Sony/AEG/executors contact on some fans and ask them to be in their side and they should try to turn MJ fans to their side, and promise to pay them some money? Then those people come here and talk favourable terms of AEG or other parties. How that is going to help AEG in any way? Trial are fought in courtrooms, not in fan boards?

Honestly, you should take it as compliment, those who accuses you and others for being plant of Sony/AEG/Estate, they just feel threatened by you, and feel that you are too reasonable and logical with your explanations to be just a plain Michael Jackson fan
This goes with Ivy, Korgenex and others who has been accused with such a name.

there's no real logic behind it.

The way it happens is that in any topic you express an opposing opinion. These fans cannot accept opposing opinions. As they see themselves as the only real fans of Michael and strongly believe that their way of thinking is absolutely correct, they see these people with different opinions as plants paid by Sony/ AEG / Estate and whatever. It's just the inability to accept that other fans might have different opinions.

Furthermore there's no proof behind such claims. They act like their assumptions are facts when they are nothing more than delusional fantasy. For example they call me Estate or AEG plant, but the reality is I have never even communicated with Executors or anyone from AEG or anyone from Sony. I got my own day job and weren't paid by Estate / AEG or Sony. Estate / AEG or Sony aren't even aware of a single personal detail about me. And obviously I can prove it all but I don't really see the need. If people want to live in delusional fantasies and call me a plant, they can do it. To me it's actually kinda hilarious.

 

[Korgnex]

^ I'm having a déjà-vu right now.

 

[WhoIsIt89]

there is no evidence AEG didnt know what murray have done.
i'm sure they have known. AEG is lying in depo, AEG is lying in court. jury says, ok we believe. AEG not liable. lol

to the verdict. i have no words.
that means. when i am hiring an doctor for my mother, and he kills my mother, i am not liable?
and so everyone that wants to kill someone, hiring an doctor. the doctor kills the guy. and everything is ok.
cool justice.

There's no evidence that AEG knew what was going on with Michael and Murray during the late evenings in his home, either. And thankfully, doesn't rely on what a person thinks when they have no evidence to support that thought. The burden of proving that with actual evidence lied with Katherine's legal team. They couldn't do it, thus the correct verdict came down.

 

[maviefly]

So it is over. Finally we got the verdict. What a shame.

AEG may feel as a winner now. But in the long run they will be the losers. They lost their face and they lost their reputation.

In the long run they will pay. Pay for Michael's life.

 

[LastTear]

So when Murray does the rounds it will be because of the verdict of this trial? Is there nothing that can't get turned around?

Murray was going to do the rounds regardless, the only difference now is that thanks to this trial he can do so and earn money doing it.

I am at a loss to understand how this verdict places blame on Michael............

 

[xosweetseducingsighsxo]

So it is over. Finally we got the verdict. What a shame.

AEG may feel as a winner now. But in the long run they will be the losers. They lost their face and they lost their reputation.

In the long run they will pay. Pay for Michael's life.

^ Don't forget the Jacksons..they'll pay too

 

[serendipity]

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I am at a loss to understand how this verdict places blame on Michael............

The jurors stressed out that this verdict does not vindicate Murray at all. I don't see how it places the whole blame on MJ either. Murray is still as guilty as he was before.

 

[SmoothGangsta]

Well, I think this was the right verdict.

 

[ivy]

btw let me point out this. On september 10 I did an update about Jacksons proposed verdict form.

September 10 Update

Katherine Jackson / Plaintiff's proposed verdict form


1. Was Conrad Murray unfit or incompetent to perform the work for which he was hired?
Yes / No

If you answered Yes then answer question 2. If you answered No stop here answer no further questions.

So as you can see Question number 2 on the final verdict form was Jacksons first proposed verdict question.

 

[Mneme]

Re: Verdict Watch - Discussion- Katherine Jackson vs AEG

I have to say, I feel a bit left out that for some reason I'm not called plant for any party:-(
I would like to know how those fans claiming other fans to be Sony/Estate/AEG plant explain their reasoning for such a thing, how would it work in reality?

Sony/AEG/executors contact on some fans and ask them to be in their side and they should try to turn MJ fans to their side, and promise to pay them some money? Then those people come here and talk favourable terms of AEG or other parties. How that is going to help AEG in any way? Trial are fought in courtrooms, not in fan boards?

In this forum in Germany where I was a member I and a few others were called "Branca's fan club" but more bad was "you are on the payroll by Branca".

Once, I mean it was in spring 2010, I get a forums intern mail from another member and she wrote "We know you works for sony but watch out then you are not a anonym person and we can find where do live."
I was really afraid because this was my first memberhood in a forum and this anonymous thread was uncanny for me. I put this letter in an posting and mad it openly in this forum...... and after 10 minutes the moderator deleted it. That's all.


And there are much more fans who could tell more stories about this theme.

 

[ivy]

From Radaronline

Katherine Jackson’s Contingent Fee Lawyers Lose $484M Payday In Failed Michael Jackson Death Trial

If Katherine Jackson is the biggest loser in the failed wrongful death lawsuit against concert promoter AEG Live, her team of high-powered and high-priced lawyers are a VERY close second.

Brian Panish and Kevin Boyle had hoped to score a whopping 33 percent of the $1.6 billion in damages they’d asked the jury to award the King of Pop’s family, RadarOnline.com is exclusively reporting. That equates to more than $484 million.

“Panish and Boyle had taken on the case on a contingency, meaning, they wouldn’t charge her, but would have taken a third of any award the jury had given Michael’s mother,” a source close to the case told RadarOnline.com. “For the jury to not award one penny to Katherine means her lawyers walk away with nothing. Plus, Katherine does not have to pay her lawyers anything.” Added the legal insider, “It was a huge gamble for Katherine’s lawyers and unfortunately for them, they lost.”

Had the Los Angeles-based lawyers billed the Jackson family matriarch on an hourly basis, the legal bill would have exceeded $15-20 million, the source added. “This case was filed over three years ago and there were hundreds of depositions taken, expert witnesses to be paid, all which came out of the pocket of Katherine’s lawyers,” the source said.

It’s standard practice in California for lawyers that take cases on a contingency basis to take 33% of any settlement or jury award.

While Katherine is coming to terms with the verdict, “she is already being pressured by youngest son, Randy, to appeal the decision,” a Jackson family insider told Radar.

“But Katherine’s lawyers are now heavily in the red on this case, it would seem unlikely they would continue to represent her if she is persuaded to appeal. The fact the decision was unanimous also doesn’t bode well for Katherine’s chances of mounting a successful appeal.”

 

[jamba]

I'd like to thank Ivy too, and the MJJC forum, for the great work helping us to understand the trial and the various witnesses, legalities, etc. One day I would like to read the entire transcript, but maybe not for a while as it has been a marathon.

Putnam said that he thought the judge should have dismissed the case, and I wish she had done that as there was precious little in terms of hard facts to support the idea that AEG negligently hired, supervised CM. That's why they had to resort to 'trial by emails' and why they had the train wreck witnesses they did (KF, Erk, etc). Judge let the trial meander and go into every nook and cranny (even a seance!) and under her non-guidance it became the mess it turned out to be. She let Panish get away with so much inappropriate behavior and she did little to run a tight court room a la Pastor.

I'm glad it's over.

 

[LastTear]

btw let me point out this. On september 10 I did an update about Jacksons proposed verdict form.

September 10 Update

Katherine Jackson / Plaintiff's proposed verdict form


1. Was Conrad Murray unfit or incompetent to perform the work for which he was hired?
Yes / No

If you answered Yes then answer question 2. If you answered No stop here answer no further questions.

So as you can see Question number 2 on the final verdict form was Jacksons first proposed verdict question.

Oh the irony!

 

[MIST]

In the long run they will pay. Pay for Michael's life.

Don´t you think Murray had something to do with Michael´s death?

 

[twinklEE]

I see the mental one -Steven, is at works again. It must be a huge slap across their faces.
Someone tell Randy my local mall has the perfect job for a man of his qualifications. They are looking for someone to scrub the restrooms. I can send in his application if he wants to.

 

[twinklEE]

Special thanks to Ivy from my side as well, for her continuous efforts. Thank you a lot Ivy, your work is greatly appreciated

 

[MIST]

In this forum in Germany where I was a member I and a few others were called "Branca's fan club" but more bad was "you are on the payroll by Branca".

Once, I mean it was in spring 2010, I get a forums intern mail from another member and she wrote "We know you works for sony but watch out then you are not a anonym person and we can find where do live."
I was really afraid because this was my first memberhood in a forum and this anonymous thread was uncanny for me. I put this letter in an posting and mad it openly in this forum...... and after 10 minutes the moderator deleted it. That's all.


And there are much more fans who could tell more stories about this theme.

It seems like some fans don´t understand Michael´s message about love and understanding.

 

[Tygger]

Question two dealt with conflicted interest. The word "unethical" could not appear in that question as the defense would combat that word being added to that question quite easily.

An unethical doctor is not fit and is incompetent. The jurors equated the doctor being fit and competent to him completing school and getting medical licenses. It speaks to their confusion.

The jurors believed Phillips and Gongaware when they said they do not recall if the doctor was there to treat Michael's sleep issues. The jurors did not believe Payne who testified he was of the opinion that the doctor was there to treat Michael's sleep issues and that Gongaware was aware of that as well.

The jurors stressed out that this verdict does not vindicate Murray at all. I don't see how it places the whole blame on MJ either. Murray is still as guilty as he was before.

The jurors are not appeal lawyers thus, Wass' audible gasp.

 

[shelly_webster]

Re: Verdict Watch - Discussion- Katherine Jackson vs AEG

I have to say, I feel a bit left out that for some reason I'm not called plant for any party:-(

I would like to know how those fans claiming other fans to be Sony/Estate/AEG plant explain their reasoning for such a thing, how would it work in reality?

Sony/AEG/executors contact on some fans and ask them to be in their side and they should try to turn MJ fans to their side, and promise to pay them some money? Then those people come here and talk favourable terms of AEG or other parties. How that is going to help AEG in any way? Trial are fought in courtrooms, not in fan boards?

Lets look at this poll, 71 of them said AEG is not liable. Does that mean all those people are paid by AEG. When and if AEG asks judge to order Jackson's to pay costs for this trial, would AEG send a billing to Jacksons which includes salaries for those plants or do those plants get paid under the table?


Honestly, you should take it as compliment, those who accuses you and others for being plant of Sony/AEG/Estate, they just feel threatened by you, and feel that you are too reasonable and logical with your explanations to be just a plain Michael Jackson fan
This goes with Ivy, Korgenex and others who has been accused with such a name.

It's because they can't accept the idea that people have a different opinion. They also believe AEG was on trial for screaming, slapping MJ and lots of other stuff which was not the case.

 

[LastTear]

@Tygger Question 2 dealt with whether Murray was hired negligently, even if the word ethical was in there I don't believe it would have changed the outcome - given what the question actually was.

You believe the jury came to their verdict because they were confused?

Sleep issues CAN come under the umbrella of general medical care, obviously Michaels issues were chronic but AEG were not to know that.

 

[passy001]

It will at least go down in history that AEG hired Murray and not Michael as so many have claimed.

you forgot the most important bit. AEG did so at the request of MJ. it's MJ who wanted Murray. not AEG.

 

[Petrarose]

^^If based on an oral contract AEG hired Muarry, then it stands to reason that based on an oral contract Michael hired Muarry too. You can use the same definition of an oral contract and apply it to Michael and Muarry's situation. Their behavior, what each expected of each other, and the dynamics certainly shows an oral agreement between them. By question 2 the verdict was reached anyway.

 

[Mneme]

Re: Verdict Watch - Discussion- Katherine Jackson vs AEG

It's because they can't accept the idea that people have a different opinion. They also believe AEG was on trial for screaming, slapping MJ and lots of other stuff which was not the case.

Maybe I'm wrong. But I think this is not about different opinions but very simply because business with Michael (his name, likeness, all what is called "merchandising")

See, in the time since Michael's trial there was in relation to Michael's business a sort of wild west and there were a sort of gold-digger (like Melissa Johnson, Dieter Wiesner,...)who mad business with the name Michael Jackson for her own pocket. Their customers were/are the MJ-fans.
This all had an end as the executors Mr. Branca/McClain came in.
And now see the relationship between Johnson, Wiesner and parts of Michael's family.

I would not surprised if there were some of them as sitting on Katherine's table in her kitchen and were working for business concepts in the expectation of the AEG money rain.
Because Mr. Branca has closed many loopholes for their dirty business with the fans from Michael.

 

[Tygger]

Last Tear, AEG knew better than to equate Michael's sleep issues with general care. Phillips and Gongaware testified they do not recall if the doctor was there to deal with Michael's sleep issues and that is what the jurors believed.

You yourself said the jury could find that AEG hired the doctor without negligence. If the doctor was fit and competent, it means he was not conflicted. If he became conflicted it was not due to his employment by AEG.

The verdict proves the doctor committed a negligent act because Michael asked him to do something he was not qualified to do. The doctor did not have the authority or responsibility to say no to Michael as no one says no to Michael Jackson.

There was a post about the doctor being conflicted and the only one who could have created that conflict was himself or Michael. There was no scenario where AEG could be liable. As per this verdict, that scenario is now reality. Wass can successfully pursue the doctor's licenses being removed from suspension. This verdict rendered him fit and competent for general care as it was Michael's request and fault the doctor's good name was put in jeopardy. The verdict means a little more than just no damage payout although that was the focus for some. How humorous some fans fretted about Michael being 20% responsible for his own passing. He is now 100% responsible. They were right however; the jurors did increase the percentage. laughs

Although the jurors may find support for their decision from some, they will not from many others. That is the beautiful thing about the fan community; its diversity does not allow for one, shared, majority view no matter what.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Verdict Watch - Discussion- Katherine Jackson vs AEG

I second this. And you know what? Because of emotions people have been targeting Ivy for some time now, just yesterday her haters wrote an article that says Ivy would be an "Estate-sponsored PR plant secretly manipulating fans"...

As I'm usually called a "Sony spy", I can understand people's obsession with one nickname.
Gosh, those fan wars are so pathetic. If they only realized how much time they are losing to think about all this BS, telling oneself to know exactly the reasoning of one person and they would have "exposed" that person as some sort of spy or whatelse they could come up with.


And about emotions, I can understand what SOME (not all) people feel:

• MJ family = MJ
• Philipps/Gongaware + that "freak" dude [can't remember the name] = whole AEG ==> AEG = evil bad company
• Mesereau recommending Pansih to KJ ==> justice
• the trial would be about "the search for the truth"

However the reality is this:

• MJ's family consists of various individuals that had their own lifes and their "lion cubs" leeching philosophy is what they revealed themselves as well as their actions speak for themselves (Randy eg being a convicted criminal), they are NOT MJ
• Philipps/Gongaware + that "freak" dude [can't remember the name] are 3 individuals and NOT AEG Live as a whole, their private emails are not making AEG Live an evil bad company, the trial showed that some were suspecting Klein and that they consulted with MJ and Murray about his health
• Mesereau as a good lawyer saw a chance of winning this and thus recommended another good lawyer to KJ ==> lawyers aren't about justice in the first place (the court is!), they are representing the interests of their clients
• the trial was about money

You are talking too much sense again.

About Ivy and the attacks, and I am sorry to have to say this, but Ivy is attacked (I don't mean having disagreements or differing points of view), not because her opinions differ from those who engage in the attacks, but because her views show that there is a lot of rational thought behind it; there is also research/facts/information backing up most of her opinions; and she does not sway unless she gets some more facts/information to change her stance. These attackers can't handle people like that, because they recognize the intelligence, are resentful of it, they can't change her mind, so they attack. I have been looking at this behavior for a long time, and recognize it for what it is. There are others who have to deal with this as well.

About Muarry's reasoning, oh dear. He reminds me of something here--AEG hired Muarry, so Michael did not hire Muarry. It is like those who do not understand the answer for question 2. They don't understand there is a specific standard for determining the fitness of the job Muarry was hired to perform. Even if you explain what the jury had to look at, e.g., credentials, licenses, they still don't get it and look at faults in personal judgment/character/sloppiness, etc. By that reasoning anytime people make mistakes at work, postpone decisions they have to make, steal the office supplies, try to cover up their mistakes, we would all be fired as unfit.