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Whatever happens will you still love him?

Agent M said:
It depends on what that "something" is. If it was incontrovertible evidence (not allegations or hearsay) of his guilt or culpability in a grave, particularly criminal, matter, then I would not "still love him."

However, I do not anticipate that ever being the case so the condition alluded to in my previous statement will likely be perpetually consigned to the realm of the academic.
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I find the bolded very interesting. To me, if you love someone, it does not matter what they do. I love the person, not the action or behavior. This reminds me of the Ryan White incident. Instead of people hating AIDS, they hated Ryan and withdrew their love. Think about the hurt lack of love can cause. I try to understand the human errors that cause certain people to comment crimes, etc. Once I understand that, then I can love them and have compassion for them. I do not think a murderer simply wakes up one morning and say "from now on I am going to kill and be happy about it." Something caused the person to reach this conclusion, and it is best to find out what it is instead of withdrawing love. Therefore, to answer the question, there is nothing on the face of this earth that will make me not love Michael Jackson, and also you too, Agent M.
 
My love for Michael is forever. nothing and no one will ever change how i feel about him. Ive loved him since i was very young and i will love him for the rest of my life. they always tried to break him and get us to stop loving him and defending him but they never ever convinced us otherwise. Michael means so much to me and i will never stop loving him. ever. i dont care what comes out bc what eles can anyone say about him that hasnt been said already? they cant hurt him anymore.
 
As a fan I went through so much with Michael - good times and bad times. And I never stopped loving him. Even when I didn't follow him every day (on the news, I mean) I always loved him and respected him and admired him. And it will never change. Nothing anyone could ever say will change the way I feel about him.
 
One thing in life I am absolutely 100% sure is the fact that I LOVE MICHAEL JOSEPH JACKSON with every fiber of my body. I've been loving him for over 20 years. Through the good times and bad times my love for him never ever wavered. As a matter of fact during those terrible times, my love probably became more intense.

He's the most important human being in my life, he's giving me hope, joy and happiness when I needed it most, and I will forever be grateful to him for that.

I don't see how anything could come up about Michael that hasn't come up already. They've been throwing stones at him for years and I am still here loving him like never before.

I will love him always and forever until the day I die and beyond. :angel:

I can't stop loving you Michael and it is for all time!
 
Well I can't anticipate how I would react if I found out something really horrible about MJ, that was proven to be 100% true. Though it would have to be pretty horrific to change my feelings for him at all. All I know right now is that I love him with all my heart.
 
There's nothing or noone able to make me change my mind. I loved him, I love him and I always will - no matter what can happen, the worse has been said and did, I still love him from my deepest soul.:angel:
 
I will always love him and I will always miss him. I hope in time he will get the respect and acknowledgment he deserves. I am talking about the general public here. Michael was too good for this world and he deserved better than what he got. I will always feel strongly about that.
 
Love either is or love isn't. I don't tie it anymore upon conditions. And this question does not have to do with Michael, it's more the question, can you love at all?

The guy was accused of horrible crimes, had his genitals photographed and his porn stash documented for the world- what more can you possible try and do to this man? If you read the trial transcripts- I just want to hug him and say, gosh, I'm sorry, so sorry, here, let me help with the load.

He lived his life with a huge amount of adversity, I am the last one to even want to imagine "what else". Let him be. There is nothing that could weigh more than what was already done to him. We all have done things we probably wouldn't want in newspapers and court rooms examined- not of criminal nature- but you know, the stuff we're happy NOT to share with anyone. It's called 'life'.
This man carried such a load- most would crumble at the sheer sight of it.

This has nothing to do with Michael, but the question of criminal behavior is a different one- where is the point at which it becomes a hypocritical stance on crime? Again, this has absolutely nothing to do with an innocent man called Michael, but it's a good question none the less.

I truly believe that we have first to come to love ourselves. If we love ourselves, we become somewhat unable to commit certain acts. And by loving ourselves I don't mean some megalomaniac "I'm the Greatest" complex, but true self love- that is not driven by egoistical impulses.
Culture teaches us that deny ourselves our own self worth, there's a lot of self-loathing going on.
If you don't know what there is to love about you- how can someone else even attempt to love you?
I'm not the greatest Osho fan (and that video opening makes me cringe...), but he makes some good observations.



If we loved the child in us, the child that we are- we wouldn't be able to walk by a crying child without feeling the need to act.
We'd be so moved that someone else's pain is so real to as if it were ours. Because all that oneness talk that Michael loves makes sense.
If we loved ourselves, we'd simply be unable to take someone else's life (I'm talking about rape and cold blooded murder, not accidents or self-defense).

Aside from that, I expect huge amounts of dirty mud to be slung at a dead man (Murray's trial) who can't defend himself anymore. I just hope he knows and feels that petty nonsense is not going to make a dent.
 
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Petrarose said:
I find the bolded very interesting. To me, if you love someone, it does not matter what they do. I love the person, not the action or behavior. This reminds me of the Ryan White incident. Instead of people hating AIDS, they hated Ryan and withdrew their love. Think about the hurt lack of love can cause. I try to understand the human errors that cause certain people to comment crimes, etc. Once I understand that, then I can love them and have compassion for them. I do not think a murderer simply wakes up one morning and say "from now on I am going to kill and be happy about it." Something caused the person to reach this conclusion, and it is best to find out what it is instead of withdrawing love. Therefore, to answer the question, there is nothing on the face of this earth that will make me not love Michael Jackson, and also you too, Agent M.
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Yes. This is interesting. And this is probably the highest form of love. Indeed, Jesus didn't say he only loved good people. In fact, he sat together with sinners for which he was heavily criticized by his enemies. So yes, I agree that real love has to be unconditional. Still there are behaviours and actions which make it hard to love someone. But this has to be the goal: loving instead of judging. This is also what Michael said when he didn't judge James Bulger's killers but wanted to visit them and said there had to be a reason which made these kids kill. And everybody, including his own wife (LMP) criticized him for this.
 
.yes.
....yes.
and that yes would NOT be becos id be a "deluded "fan "...but simply,because i too,belive in an unconditonal love and try to pratcise that , to have great compasion ,empathy,. to try see the persons other side,see with their eyes (if we can) and to try not to judge them ,no matter what it is......in some cases, we can understand and we would find a way.and in some cases we just cant fathom.... this however is sb.(or bs.) so, yes.id do my damned ultimate best to understand whatever the situtaion might be and no id never leave his side.,Very thougth provoking thread, toppy . thanx you for it.love you:praying:
 
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Agent M said:
It depends on what that "something" is. If it was incontrovertible evidence (not allegations or hearsay) of his guilt or culpability in a grave, particularly criminal, matter, then I would not "still love him."
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I will always love Michael no matter what.

I agree with Petrarose...................I would hate the sin, but continue to love the sinner.
 
Always and forever..we fans know and understand mike more than any1,he was pure nd a beautiful human being..i pray 2 c headlines of jordan and gavin confessing.i love u mike..unconditionally
 
Well, I've come to the conclusion that almost everything said about him dead or alive has been lies. Thats including stuff his family says. So, I wouldn't believe it anyways. :p
 
Always and forever. He's been with me for 13 years now, so without him I wouldn't be who I am. You take away Mike, You take away me.
 
I had spent nearly 30 years of my life loving Michael Jackson. There is absolutely nothing that anyone can say or do that can ever make me stopped loving him. My L.:heart:.V.E. that I have for Michael is forever eternal. And I am forever proud to be a fan of his. I even wear a silver heart with a picture of Michael's face engrave in it around my neck to show the world who I L.:wub:.V.E. the most in the entire world. :heart: :wub:
 
^^OHHHH, that silver heart, beautiful. I wear watches with his face on it too. I have a collection so that I can match them with my outfits. Sometimes during the day I glance at my watch and say a little prayer for him--if that is not love, then I do not know what love is.
 
Ofcourse thats what being a true fan is all about standing through yoyr artist through thick and thin. There's no way that I could totally hate MJ, even if he was guilty of those 1000000% fake claims and trials I still would be a fan even though I know I shouldn't, I've been a fan my whole life I don't know how not to be !!
 
I will always L.O.V.E. that man with all my being no matter what! :give_rose:
Michael stole my :heart: and no other man couldn't do that anymore.
 
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what can anyone do to him? There is a saying. A good name is better than gold. Michael jackson's good name is established. Anybody who is knowingly, in their heart of hearts, trying to ruin his good name and cause derision, will only hurt themselves.

Michael joseph jackson won my heart a long time ago.
To try to undo him, is to try to undo me.
He was and forever is an instrument in reinforcing my faith in god.

I love michael joseph jackson, forever. And i forever love god for bringing michael joseph jackson into my life.
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The question sounds strange on the forum like this. Are we going to listen to some bad news again ?

Michael helps us to understand that we have to think first and not to believe media lies.

I love him much and will love forever.
 
To borrow a phrase for which I can think of no other legitimate use;
To infinity and beyond.
 
Geez, I hope nothing else bad happens. I mean, the worst possible has already happened. But yes, I will always be a fan, listen to his music and miss him.
 
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