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    Default Thriller Exhibit at Hollywood Horror Museum

    So...hollywood horror musuem (@horrormuseum) tweeted that they will be having a Thriller exhibit to celebrate the video, in anticipation of possible complaints they tweeted an explanation of why they're including it. Because they're now receiving so many negative tweets from fans they're reconsidering the exhibit!

    This is crazy!!! why are we being so self destructive?

    Please consider tweeting support at them to keep it, personally I'd love to see it & as they say themselves it's part of history.

    As a fandom sometimes we react without thinking, as it's almost like a reflex to react to anything that appears negative about Michael, but these guys want to have a Thriller exhibit for the public, so why would we wreck that?

    We need to support public displays like this as it keeps Michael visible in a world where the media want to cancel him

    and I know some will not be happy with their having an explanation & the wording in their tweet, but what's important is that they keep the display in the museum

    please let them know how much you're looking forward to seeing it, if they know it'll attract visitors they'll keep it

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    It’s another instance of an attempt to “separate the art from the artist” that we recently talked about in another thread. They want the attention (and the money) that the exhibit generates, while at the same time implying that MJ was guilty. The criticism is justified, in my opinion. In fact, I’m one of the people who criticized them. We’ll see more of that now that canceling MJ hasn’t worked. They’re trying to hold on to Michael’s art while canceling the person, and they can put their exhibit where the sun don’t shine, in my very humble opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    It’s another instance of an attempt to “separate the art from the artist” that we recently talked about in another thread. They want the attention (and the money) that the exhibit generates, while at the same time implying that MJ was guilty. The criticism is justified, in my opinion. In fact, I’m one of the people who criticized them. We’ll see more of that now that canceling MJ hasn’t worked. They’re trying to hold on to Michael’s art while canceling the person, and they can put their exhibit where the sun don’t shine, in my very humble opinion.
    Disagreed in this case.

    Going after anyone who has not even expressed their belief on whether MJ is guilty or not is completely uncalled for. Fine to leave a casual comment about it, but repeat messages going after them does not look good at all. (not talking about you) Cant expect everyone to actively take a stance for MJ either.

    They dont have an" interest" either way and as such wont spend time researching the case. Without research its foolish to make any assessment. They just protect their business as MJs name is connected to controversy, thats undeniable sadly. They did not he was guilty, and they obviously have no idea if he is or not.

    They even said BYE to someone who expressed that MJ was guilty and said they would not support them anymore.

    The reason they put that sentence in their first post was to avoid having a hatestorm from regular folks who happen to despise child molesters. Could they have just dont put that first message there? Yes, but then even more regular people would give them the stick.

    Essentially they cant win, either they piss off MJ fans, or they piss off other people.

    Separating the art from the music would in my opinion be something stronger than this statement: "It may include people accused of or having committed crimes, or other controversy" Thats not only meant for MJ either. They are just implying there is controversy, not saying anything about guilt etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightbringer View Post
    Disagreed in this case.

    Going after anyone who has not even expressed their belief on whether MJ is guilty or not is completely uncalled for. Fine to leave a casual comment about it, but repeat messages going after them does not look good at all. (not talking about you) Cant expect everyone to actively take a stance for MJ either.

    They dont have an" interest" either way and as such wont spend time researching the case. Without research its foolish to make any assessment. They just protect their business as MJs name is connected to controversy, thats undeniable sadly. They did not he was guilty, and they obviously have no idea if he is or not.

    They even said BYE to someone who expressed that MJ was guilty and said they would not support them anymore.
    Perfectly fine to disagree. It’s a complex topic. I do see a wave of keep-the-art-and-cancel-the-person attempts coming, though, and personally I will confront people when I see it happening. But I usually just leave one comment, not argue on end.

    About “not having interest either way”: If they won’t look into the case, they have to presume MJ’s innocence and not make ambiguous posts that can be interpreted either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    Perfectly fine to disagree. It’s a complex topic. I do see a wave of keep-the-art-and-cancel-the-person attempts coming, though, and personally I will confront people when I see it happening.

    About “not having interest either way”: If they won’t look into the case, they have to presume MJ’s innocence and not make ambiguous posts that can be interpreted either way.
    They dont have to presume MJ to be innocent they are not a court of law. they are not discriminating MJ, they dont have an obligation to put any MJ related art up for display. They are just doing whats best for their business.

    If they had cancelled an MJ art piece and said: "Because of the horrific allegations against Jackson", then I would have been more mad at them.

    But, I do agree with you to some extent also, its disturbing if everyone starts saying these things. This is actually a topic where I can read your post, and I both disagree and agree at the same time. As you said the topic is complex, probably one of the most difficult topics I have come across with MJ related stuff.

    I think what bothers me most is that some MJ fans take it too far and say that they should put on the art and declare that MJ is innocent in a way to try to calm the regular public, thats just unrealistic. And getting aggressive is not right. You have to do ALOT of research to reach any conclusion, so sending them a few links is not going to change their minds in that aspect.

    And this is coming from someone that is a pretty loco MJ fan, I mean I am not the most fanatic fan, but still

    EDIT: I do think they could have added that they dont know whether MJ is guilty or not to their first posts. Sheesh. My head is spinning from arguing with myself over this matter.
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    You know, they could just have put up the jacket for display and ignore the haters. We all know it’s always only a handful anyway.

    And finding out that LN is bullshit takes less time than they took to argue with people in the comments. It’s 2020 and I’m no longer buying the “Oh, we don’t know, but let’s cater to a small but vocal group of haters” crap. Either they educate themselves or give MJ the benefit of the doubt – if the presumption of innocence outside a court is not mandatory in that country.

    At this point, it’s pure ignorance, and personally I’m done with that. But again, we can peacefully disagree. You do you.

    Just watch out for that new “separate the art from the artist” trend. It’s coming, and I think it’s better to fight it now before it gets too big.
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    Yup, they don’t even see why their tweets are problematic. They literally brought it on themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightbringer View Post
    They dont have an" interest" either way and as such wont spend time researching the case. Without research its foolish to make any assessment.
    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    About “not having interest either way”: If they won’t look into the case, they have to presume MJ’s innocence and not make ambiguous posts that can be interpreted either way.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lightbringer View Post
    They dont have to presume MJ to be innocent they are not a court of law.
    I agree with ScreenOrigami here, sure the presumption of innocence is a legal term, but should be also the way to go when there's no interest to look further - which is perfectly fine BTW, and fortunately no one has to make any assessment, as it's already done by the justice system: just accept the fact that MJ was more than thoroughly investigated, wasn't even charged due to lack of evidence in one case and acquitted in the other - end of story.

    I'm aware it's a bit idealistic expectation, but it's a very disappointing possibility that anything can be said about anyone (especially the dead) without any consequences, while damaged reputations are accepted as a matter of fact. Like by acting "neutral" about it, which in reality is just laziness (and again, it's not that everyone should research the case, just realise that a court decision in a criminal trial weighs much more than some random accusations with the aim of getting money and fame).

    And if someone comes with the "courts can be wrong too" argument, sure, that's a possibility in general - but that's already a step to look into the case further, and on an individual basis as it should be, so go read the court transcripts then. Ż\_(ツ)_/Ż

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightbringer View Post
    This was the first announce, right? Sorry, but the wording seems unnecessary and like it deliberately tries to shift the focus to the negativity and provoke reactions (and then act like "victims" of vile MJ fans, in a quite immature manner. Sorry, but this "choregraphy" is too familiar).

    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    You know, they could just have put up the jacket for display and ignore the haters. We all know it’s always only a handful anyway.
    I agree. Please don't accept that "it's unfortunately mandatory to mention the allegation". It's not, there's no such general protocol, it was always the choice of the press whether to include it or not. Interestingly, they managed to write about quite a lot of individuals for decades without ever mentioning allegations against them, if they chose to.

    E.g. about Roman Polanski, which was quite an achievement as they had to ignore not only his court case but his "escaping" the US too, resulting in the fact that he couldn't even accept his Oscar. The me-too era ended this and now he's mandatorily criticized, but you'll find quite a lot of essays about him from the earlier period without any reference to his case (not to mention the standing ovation for him at the 2003 Oscars).

    But then again, great arguments from both sides, thanks for the thought provoking debate.
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    In my opinion it should stay up. whatever people feel like he guilty (which he not). it not the museum to please everyone. people can go or not.

    whatever we don't like it or not Michael is/was controversial topic. it's sad but that just how is.

    also us as fans need to stop harassing people etc just because some people believe he guilty etc. we already look bad in this fandom already we don't need to look much worst then we already do.



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    Quote Originally Posted by NatureCriminal7896 View Post
    also us as fans need to stop harassing people etc just because some people believe he guilty etc. we already look bad in this fandom already we don't need to look much worst then we already do.
    Harassing people is of course not good, but taking a firm stand against injustice is. Be assured, the fans seem way less crazy to outsiders than you would assume. I’ve only recently come from the “outside” and know both sides first hand. The outrage about MJ’s treatment is absolutely justified.
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    Yeah but it a way to do it. i'm not gonna force anyone to believe he's innocent (which he is) because i know he innocent. yeah it hurts but it's life it's best for us just accept it.

    one MJ fan said that they was gonna kill someone if they believe Michael is guilty. that too much and way over the top. this why our fandom look bad when it comes to these people.

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    This is the discussion section of the forum, though, so people will obviously discuss their opinions.
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    It goes without saying that harassing others is unacceptable. But I still see some contradiction here: "But we've been hearing the threats towards us for 5 years if we dared include a Thriller exhibit." and this: "unbelievably negative and irrational reactions to this post from presumably Michael Jackson fans. Even the haters weren't this nasty". How come negative comments from fans can be worse than threats from haters?

    Maybe some fans overreacted a bit (understandable considering the situation with MJ), but the CEO - who's supposed to be a professional, unlike the commenters - did the same. The initial post was wrongly worded and should have been changed IMO, that could have prevented the drama. Reading the much more correct newer posts by the HHM there seems to be some double talk here, like the first announcement and comments are done by different individuals then the others.

    And I still think it is wrong to accept that if someone was once falsely accused they can be considered "controversial" from then on. While it's not entirely the same as blaming the victim, but still letting them take the blame and suffer the consequences of the wrongdoings of others, and suggesting that society should just accept this.

    Some comments I agree with:

    The problem is not with the exhibit, it’s not the part that needs reconsidering. The problem is with your comments insinuating guilt of a black man who was found not guilty of any wrongdoing. In light of the recent social awakening, one would expect you‘d reconsider THAT.
    Your CEO may be over reacting. An opinion or two shouldn’t stop a show. If it does, perhaps it was never meant to happen. I, for one, would still love to see it.
    Because it is about a topic that we have been dealing with for years: people doing business with his name, but never wanting to solve the debates around him.
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