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Do I believe It Is Michael On The Three Tracks In Question.

  • Yes

    Votes: 152 39.6%

  • No

    Votes: 135 35.2%

  • I Can Not Decide

    Votes: 24 6.3%

  • Maybe in Parts

    Votes: 73 19.0%
  • Total voters
    384
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Sony knows the name Michael Jackson means BIG $$$. Michael is probably the only artist that makes me spend my money irrationally. Like Bumper, I own all Michael Jackson albums. Yet, I kept buying the greatest hit collections. When I go abroad, I look for the King of Pop collection; even though I'm fully aware that I'm buying duplicates.

I bought the This Is It Blu-ray; even though I don't have a Blu-ray disc player. I'm going to buy a BR disc player just for playing This Is It. I bought Vision; even though I own all of Michael's DVD's.

Instead of buying individual songs from iTune, I bought MICHAEL the album. And, there are many many fans who behave just like me.

Giving how well the album has performed thus far with limited promotion, no hit single, Sony is going to play smart in the future. Sony is going to mix some genuine great tracks with sub-par tracks and know damn well that the album will sell no matter what.

This is how powerful the name Michael Jackson is. This is how strong the brand Michael Jackson is. He worked so so so hard in his life to build his own brand. So now, the Estate and Sony can take advantage from.
 
AnnieRUOkay89 said:
DYKWYCA, STTR, and BG aren't marketable in this day and age. It's a sad fact, but the possibility of any of those three songs becoming a hit record is low..
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All of those tracks sound infinitely better than any and all of the Cascio tracks. Michaels vocals on all three are incredible. And authentic.

AnnieRUOkay89 said:
That's why they weren't included on the album.
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That's an assumption on your part. And not a statement of fact. Not by a long shot.

AnnieRUOkay89 said:
one of the Cascio tracks has the potential to be a hit record, and that's "Monster". I'm not saying this off of personal belief, I'm speaking solely on the praise it's gotten from fans and critics alike since the album came out
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You seem to have ignored the comments of every fan that actively hates the bogus Cascio tracks and all of the 'critics' who A. Haven't reviewed the leaked tracks that you mentioned (DYKWYCA for example) and B. Have laughed at the terrible lyricism and production.

But, of course, that wouldn't suit your purpose.
 
Annie, there are 15 tracks in HIStory.

1. Scream
2. TDCAU
3. SIM
4. This Time Around
5. Earth Song
6. D.S.
7. Money
8. Come Together
9. You Are Not Alone
10. Childhood
11. Tabloid Junkie
12. 2 Bad
13. HIStory
14. Little Susie
15. Smile

When they finished recording HIStory, the length of the album exceed CD capacity. So, there were two options. One, to cut one song. Two, to cut a few bars from certain songs. Michael chose the second option.

Michael actually wanted to put as many songs as possible. The length of his albums always push the limit of CD capacity.

I don't think Michael would have put just 10 songs in his albums.
 
AnnieRUOkay89 said:
DYKWYCA, STTR, and BG aren't marketable in this day and age. It's a sad fact, but the possibility of any of those three songs becoming a hit record is low. That's why they weren't included on the album, whether you like it or not, at least one of the Cascio tracks has the potential to be a hit record, and that's "Monster". I'm not saying this off of personal belief, I'm speaking solely on the praise it's gotten from fans and critics alike since the album came out. I would've preferred Blue Gangsta as opposed to Breaking News, but in 2010, in the eyes of the industry, the song is nothing more than a novelty item for us hardcore fans.
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Any song is marketable. Anything is marketable. When I see what they broadcast on TV, it makes me throw up. Series with same and rehashed dialogues over and over again. Rotten reality shows such as temptation island, loft stories where people live together is nothing else but voyeurism, fabrication of a 15-minute stars such as American Idol, or Best dance crew, or whatever. As far as music industry is concerned, what I see today is rehashed and autotuned remakes (Lady Gaga stole the idea from ABBA's Fernando and music from the German band Ace of Base,...)

If garbage can be marketable, Michael's good (old) songs for sure can too.

What happened to quality TV from before when we had:

Sledge Hammer, Max Headroom, Alf, Spin City, Twilight Zone, Miami Vice, The Cosby Show, Mr Bean, Love Boat, Star Treck, or movies such as Back To The Future, Terminator, The Planet of the Apes, Star Wars, Beverly Hills Cop,...

Where have gone: Tina Turner, Terence Trent D'Arby, Prince, George Michael, Duran Duran, A-Ha, Metallica, Guns 'n Roses, Stevie Wonder, Cool and the Gang, Phill Collins, and other bands and singers who actually made music?

Michael still has that potential to bring back the music where it belongs - to the music industry.
 
Sorry samhabib, but i gotta agree with AnnieRUOkay89 there. Although we, the fans, can fully appreciate those songs. They are not suitable for the current pop world. Which i know sucks, i personally HATE the way the "popular2 music industry works. to me, they ONLY thing that should be a factor in record sales is talent, but thats just not the way it works. Its all about whats the trend, whats the 2sound2 and who is on the news the most. if talent had anything to do with it, no one would have a clue who twats like n'dubz and lady gaga were, and the x-factor would be lucky to be on Bravo(uk) let alone primetime mainstream tv!
 
love is magical said:
Annie, there are 15 tracks in HIStory.

1. Scream
2. TDCAU
3. SIM
4. This Time Around
5. Earth Song
6. D.S.
7. Money
8. Come Together
9. You Are Not Alone
10. Childhood
11. Tabloid Junkie
12. 2 Bad
13. HIStory
14. Little Susie
15. Smile

When they finished recording HIStory, the length of the album exceed CD capacity. So, there were two options. One, to cut one song. Two, to cut a few bars from certain songs. Michael chose the second option.

Michael actually wanted to put as many songs as possible. The length of his albums always push the limit of CD capacity.

I don't think Michael would have put just 10 songs in his albums.
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Adding "Blood on the Dance Floor" to "History."
 
BudzMJJ said:
Sorry samhabib, but i gotta agree with AnnieRUOkay89 there. Although we, the fans, can fully appreciate those songs. They are not suitable for the current pop world. Which i know sucks, i personally HATE the way the "popular2 music industry works. to me, they ONLY thing that should be a factor in record sales is talent, but thats just not the way it works. Its all about whats the trend, whats the 2sound2 and who is on the news the most. if talent had anything to do with it, no one would have a clue who twats like n'dubz and lady gaga were, and the x-factor would be lucky to be on Bravo(uk) let alone primetime mainstream tv!
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You're going to agree that the great Michael Jackson singing about something as profound as child abuse in Hollywood is less salesworthy in 2010 than Jason Malachi singing about 'Mama say mama got you in a zigzag'? If you do then I'm insulted on Michael's behalf.

The greatest artist of all time recording a song about a subject matter that resonated with him to the core is not salesworthy? Unbelievable. That's all I can say.
 
BudzMJJ said:
Sorry samhabib, but i gotta agree with AnnieRUOkay89 there. Although we, the fans, can fully appreciate those songs. They are not suitable for the current pop world. Which i know sucks, i personally HATE the way the "popular2 music industry works. to me, they ONLY thing that should be a factor in record sales is talent, but thats just not the way it works. Its all about whats the trend, whats the 2sound2 and who is on the news the most. if talent had anything to do with it, no one would have a clue who twats like n'dubz and lady gaga were, and the x-factor would be lucky to be on Bravo(uk) let alone primetime mainstream tv!
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Well, play to your friends non MJ fans "Slave to the rhythm" and "Breaking news".

First see to which song will they bounce, and second see their reaction if they'll actually recognize Mike on BN at all, compared to Slave to the rhythm.
 
samhabib said:
All of those tracks sound infinitely better than any and all of the Cascio tracks. Michaels vocals on all three are incredible. And authentic.



That's an assumption on your part. And not a statement of fact. Not by a long shot.



You seem to have ignored the comments of every fan that actively hates the bogus Cascio tracks and all of the 'critics' who A. Haven't reviewed the leaked tracks that you mentioned (DYKWYCA for example) and B. Have laughed at the terrible lyricism and production.

But, of course, that wouldn't suit your purpose.
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:sigh: You never quit do you? You're right, it is an assumption, I'm willing to bet though, if you could speak to anyone from the Estate/Sony, and ask why they weren't included on the album, that would be the reason why. As far as those tracks sounding "infinitely" better that's your opinion, not that I disagree, that's just your opinion, not a fact. Crisp and incredible, 100% healthy Michael Jackson vocals still aren't enough to equal a hit record, maybe in the 80's, not now. If that's the case Dangerous and History would've had a lot more billboard spots, there would've been a lot more videos and almost all his songs, from those albums would be on a #1 countdown, they weren't.

As far as "every fan" hating the Cascio tracks, how can you even speak a lie like that? As far as facts go, there's a 50/50 split between fans regarding these Cascio tracks, and yes, I'm ignoring this board when it comes to what qualifies as a hit record, because this forum only makes up a small population of the world. Non-fans, enjoy this song, casual fans, enjoy this song, hardcore fans, enjoy the song, who care's if you don't? All critics don't agree, so your comment was irrelevant, majority of them though, feel as if the song is one of the few on the album that can qualify as a hit record. Also, why would critics have to review those other leaked records? They don't have to, and there's no guarantee, at all, that hearing those songs will change their opinions on that one specific song (Monster). So again, that comment was irrelevant.


love is magical said:
Annie, there are 15 tracks in HIStory.

1. Scream
2. TDCAU
3. SIM
4. This Time Around
5. Earth Song
6. D.S.
7. Money
8. Come Together
9. You Are Not Alone
10. Childhood
11. Tabloid Junkie
12. 2 Bad
13. HIStory
14. Little Susie
15. Smile

When they finished recording HIStory, the length of the album exceed CD capacity. So, there were two options. One, to cut one song. Two, to cut a few bars from certain songs. Michael chose the second option.

Michael actually wanted to put as many songs as possible. The length of his albums always push the limit of CD capacity.

I don't think Michael would have put just 10 songs in his albums.
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Very well, like I said I wasn't sure. But Off The Wall, Thriller, and Bad had ten songs, Leave Me Alone was a bonus track, which made it 11.
 
love is magical said:
Giving how well the album has performed thus far with limited promotion, no hit single, Sony is going to play smart in the future. Sony is going to mix some genuine great tracks with sub-par tracks and know damn well that the album will sell no matter what.
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to me this is the reality of posthumous release and the answer of why debatable songs are included in the album.

for multiple album releases they will divide the strong/complete songs between the number of albums planned to be released and fill the rest with whatever they might have in hand.
 
samhabib said:
All of those tracks sound infinitely better than any and all of the Cascio tracks. Michaels vocals on all three are incredible. And authentic.



That's an assumption on your part. And not a statement of fact. Not by a long shot.



You seem to have ignored the comments of every fan that actively hates the bogus Cascio tracks and all of the 'critics' who A. Haven't reviewed the leaked tracks that you mentioned (DYKWYCA for example) and B. Have laughed at the terrible lyricism and production.

But, of course, that wouldn't suit your purpose.
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
:sigh: You never quit do you? You're right, it is an assumption, I'm willing to bet though, if you could speak to anyone from the Estate/Sony, and ask why they weren't included on the album, that would be the reason why. As far as those tracks sounding "infinitely" better that's your opinion, not that I disagree, that's just your opinion, not a fact. Crisp and incredible, 100% healthy Michael Jackson vocals still aren't enough to equal a hit record, maybe in the 80's, not now. If that's the case Dangerous and History would've had a lot more billboard spots, there would've been a lot more videos and almost all his songs, from those albums would be on a #1 countdown, they weren't.

As far as "every fan" hating the Cascio tracks, how can you even speak a lie like that? As far as facts go, there's a 50/50 split between fans regarding these Cascio tracks, and yes, I'm ignoring this board when it comes to what qualifies as a hit record, because this forum only makes up a small population of the world. Non-fans, enjoy this song, casual fans, enjoy this song, hardcore fans, enjoy the song, who care's if you don't? All critics don't agree, so your comment was irrelevant, majority of them though, feel as if the song is one of the few on the album that can qualify as a hit record. Also, why would critics have to review those other leaked records? They don't have to, and there's no guarantee, at all, that hearing those songs will change their opinions on that one specific song (Monster). So again, that comment was irrelevant.





Very well, like I said I wasn't sure. But Off The Wall, Thriller, and Bad had ten songs, Leave Me Alone was a bonus track, which made it 11.
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You two, you should get married, it is cute to see you playing around :)))
 
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
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Very well, like I said I wasn't sure. But Off The Wall, Thriller, and Bad had ten songs, Leave Me Alone was a bonus track, which made it 11.
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That is because LPs could hardly contain more than 10 to 11 songs! With CDs it was different.
 
AnnieRUOkay89 said:
You're right, as the times changed more songs were included on the album. I forgot about the differences between LP's/vinyl's and Compact Disc, my mistake.
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I am always right lol!

Joking...

I am never wrong, re-lol! :)
 
What would you all prefer. a 70+ minute album with about 15 tracks or a 40-50 minute album with 10-12 tracks?

Just curious
 
It depends, if we had Dangerous/History type of songs as opposed to OTW/Thriller type songs, I'd prefer the latter.


If this was "Michael" type songs compared to Dangerous/History, I'd prefer the latter.
 
AnnieRUOkay89 said:
It depends, if we had Dangerous/History type of songs as opposed to OTW/Thriller type songs, I'd prefer the latter.


If this was "Michael" type songs compared to Dangerous/History, I'd prefer the latter.
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I think that with my next comment you will again have to say that I am right:

Would you like to have BAD album with 11 tracks or with more leftout tracks such as:

-Todo mi amor eres tu
-Fly away
-Streetwalker
-Cheater
?


By the way, would it hurt to have Sunset Driver on Off The Wall album? :D
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
I think that with my next comment you will again have to say that I am right:

Would you like to have BAD album with 11 tracks or with more leftout tracks such as:

-Todo mi amor eres tu
-Fly away
-Streetwalker
-Cheater
?


By the way, would it hurt to have Sunset Driver on Off The Wall album? :D
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:lol: I agree again, just leave off I Can't Stop Loving You en espanol. I never got into it, it was most likely the language barrier.

And I'd LOVE Sunset Driver on the Off The Wall album.
 
Dark Artist said:
Can we go back to hating each other now please?
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Yes, you are right loooooooooool!!!!!!!!

But if there is one thing that I would die to see, is Samhabib and AnnieRUOkay giving a hug to each other! That would worth all the L.O.V.E. Michael was preaching for!
 
AAAAwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww that's sooooooooooooooo cute : )))))))))))

Samhabib, come on fellow give her a hug! She really deserves it! :
)))))
 
Dark Artist said:
Can we go back to hating each other now please?
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man where's your Christmas spirit? :cheeky:

joking aside this just shows us that we are human beings that have some common ground and some differentiating opinions. so let's love each other :wub: (even though we might respectfully disagree on stuff)
 
samhabib said:
You're going to agree that the great Michael Jackson singing about something as profound as child abuse in Hollywood is less salesworthy in 2010 than Jason Malachi singing about 'Mama say mama got you in a zigzag'? If you do then I'm insulted on Michael's behalf.

The greatest artist of all time recording a song about a subject matter that resonated with him to the core is not salesworthy? Unbelievable. That's all I can say.
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Be insulted, like i care! its not jason malachi on the songs, that kid can't sing in tune, FACT. Anyway, i'm not getting into that argument again, its done, i've formed my own opinion and it won't change unless hard evidence proves me wrong. But, back to the subject at hand. I LOVE 12-o'clock, its one of mikes best songs ever!! But it wouldn't sell well. Aside from the fact that there is nothing new or original in the song. The main chrous line would juist cause far to much bad press and we know it. Don't get me wrong, i don't agree with it, but thats just the way the world is. I've already had friends of mine make comments when i'm playing that song. Things like "probably hidden in his bed" or other ignorants comments like that. And those closeminded ppl, sad as it is, are the main music buying ppl=( Blue Gangster might do well, if they left one of the many, MANY raps lines from the other versions in. Again, i love the proper, rapless version, but i also understand how the pisspoor modern music sales industry works.
 
AnnieRUOkey, if you don"t get any hugs from Sam I am sending you deserved hugs, despite our disagreement on Cascio songs ;-)
 
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