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Michael - The Great Album Debate

StellaJackson said:
KingMikeJ - is it the coolcat75 snippets that you were listening to of Ready 2 Win etc or the high quality ones without tags?
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The snippets named "CASCIO_SONGS" is the only thing I downloaded a few weeks ago. I don't remember there being tags. I don't have any demos of any leaks or full versions of the recent leaks.
 
Guys, big rule of the internet: don't feed the trolls. He's discredited himself with that comment, it's best to ignore him now.
 
KingMikeJ said:
The snippets named "CASCIO_SONGS" is the only thing I downloaded a few weeks ago. I don't remember there being tags. I don't have any demos of any leaks or full versions of the recent leaks.
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Yeah that's what I meant. There are also demos of Monster, Breaking News, Stay, All I Need, Burn 2Nite and KYHU. The Monster demo has to be heard to be believed. It's the original slow version as well.
 
I am really trying hard to understaned the believers, but when I listen to the snippet of "Fall In Love" for example, not only I don't recognize Michael, but it is completely another singer. There is no trace of even slightest similarity with MJ's voice.
 
StellaJackson said:
Yeah that's what I meant. There are also demos of Monster, Breaking News, Stay, All I Need, Burn 2Nite and KYHU. The Monster demo has to be heard to be believed. It's the original slow version as well.
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Really? I don't have any Cascio demos, are they very different than the already leaked versions?
 
Two more points :

1- Ivy might be right : 50 Cents' rap is credited to him personally, so the use of the "king has risen" line in the Immortal show might not bring any money to Cascio/Porte. But since the rap is embedded in "Monster", that song is bound to be mentioned in the credits for the show and the CD. So that means Sony/the Estate still think the songs are authentic; otherwise, they wouldn't dream of even mentioning them again on another release . One would think that if the songs were fake, nobody would know it more -- now at least -- than the Estate.

2- The "Michael" album WAS a disappointment in terms of sales, there is no point in denying it. They shipped a lot more copies than they sold, which meant they expected to sell more. But the relative failure had nothing to do with the inclusion of the Cascio songs : how many people do you think actually decided not to buy the album just for that? The album failed because the big "MJ love-in" that followed his death was already over by December 2010, and the general buying public was already, at that point, only interested again in the old hits and MJ nostalgia. So the album ended up only interesting the usual hard-core MF fandom -- not a minuscule group by any means, but not numerous enough to reach stellar numbers, at least not in the current music industry.

If they do release another album of new, unreleased music, expect Sony to go the "deluxe, boxset" route, where they will expect less copies to be sold, but sell each of them at a higher price.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
I am really trying hard to understaned the believers, but when I listen to the snippet of "Fall In Love" for example, not only I don't recognize Michael, but it is completely another singer. There is no trace of even slightest similarity with MJ's voice.
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I know. I just don't get it. It's an out of tune amateur singer. But that begs another question - why the hell did Sony pay money for these? Blind faith? Misplaced trust? By the way I think Water is the worst. Dreadful. Like an XFactor reject.
 
StellaJackson said:
How dare you make such an accusation? We are basing it on the evidence and the fact that the songs sound like Malachi and not Michael. Like we have said, Sony and the Estate got duped. They weren't in on it. And they themselves were investigating Jason before Breaking News even streamed, so someone who isn't even a fan clearly recognised him first.
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So why isn't SONY and The Michael Jackson Estate not suing the Cascio's for fraud ?
 
StellaJackson said:
I know. I just don't get it. It's an out of tune amateur singer. But that begs another question - why the hell did Sony pay money for these? Blind faith? Misplaced trust? By the way I think Water is the worst. Dreadful. Like an XFactor reject.
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The singer clearly struggles with high pitches in WATER. He stays almost voiceless and out of breath.
 
Jesta said:
Wow, insulting. That's convinced me, you're sounding just like a troll. In fact, you remind me of a troll I faced on YouTube once... OK guys, we know what to do with trolls: let's just carry on with our normal selves.

So Bumper, have a sex joke up your sleeve? Maybe Arky, or Love?
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Okay so I guess I'm a troll now for being a believer SMH
 
okay everyone time to cool off

thread closed for a period of time
 
That was interesting... I don't think ADKIc3mAnX is a troll, you guys, but I read their profile and this person is 20 years old. They are NOT a highly educated Michael Jackson fan as others of us, that is a fact. Something to always consider... the age of those posting here.

edit: I just want to add that I don't really mean this as an insult to the younger people here. I am also young, I'm 22 years old, and I admit to once being a believer(not really too long ago), albeit with a few doubts but nonetheless supported the songs for quite some time.

And a lot of the time I wonder if it happened to be because I still needed even more time to bond with MJ's voice and understand it and learn about it inside and out before I realized the songs are fake.

I really think I had to realize the soulfulness, the power, the perfection, the quality, the texture, the uniqueness, the wonder that is Michael Jackson's beautiful magical voice, truly know it, listen to every Jackson 5 song and Jacksons song and all the demos from Off The Wall and Thriller and every scrap I could find and every note and every interview and little acapella and live performance, before I realized the voice in the Cascio songs is not Michael Jackson.
 
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Aniram said:
That was interesting... I don't think ADKIc3mAnX is a troll, you guys, but I read their profile and this person is 20 years old. They are NOT a highly educated Michael Jackson fan as others of us, that is a fact. Something to always consider... the age of those posting here.

edit: I just want to add that I don't really mean this as an insult to the younger people here. I am also young, I'm 22 years old, and I admit to once being a believer(not really too long ago), albeit with a few doubts but nonetheless supported the songs for quite some time.

And a lot of the time I wonder if it happened to be because I still needed even more time to bond with MJ's voice and understand it and learn about it inside and out before I realized the songs are fake.

I really think I had to realize the soulfulness, the power, the perfection, the quality, the texture, the uniqueness, the wonder that is Michael Jackson's beautiful magical voice, truly know it, listen to every Jackson 5 song and Jacksons song and all the demos from Off The Wall and Thriller and every scrap I could find and every note and every interview and little acapella and live performance, before I realized the voice in the Cascio songs is not Michael Jackson.
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age is no excuse, im 21 and knew right away that there was something wrong with these songs, at first i tried to rationalize my thoughts into believing that MJ sang the cascio songs but logic says otherwise, there are too many undeniable signs, after hearing all 12 of them i dont see how anyone can believe it is him, that being said i actually like some of the tracks such as all i need and stay lol but once again age is no excuse, im 21 and know his material from J5 till invincible and after, so dont pardon this person on that note alone.
 
Aniram said:
That was interesting... I don't think ADKIc3mAnX is a troll, you guys, but I read their profile and this person is 20 years old. They are NOT a highly educated Michael Jackson fan as others of us, that is a fact. Something to always consider... the age of those posting here.

edit: I just want to add that I don't really mean this as an insult to the younger people here. I am also young, I'm 22 years old, and I admit to once being a believer(not really too long ago), albeit with a few doubts but nonetheless supported the songs for quite some time.

And a lot of the time I wonder if it happened to be because I still needed even more time to bond with MJ's voice and understand it and learn about it inside and out before I realized the songs are fake.


I really think I had to realize the soulfulness, the power, the perfection, the quality, the texture, the uniqueness, the wonder that is Michael Jackson's beautiful magical voice, truly know it, listen to every Jackson 5 song and Jacksons song and all the demos from Off The Wall and Thriller and every scrap I could find and every note and every interview and little acapella and live performance, before I realized the voice in the Cascio songs is not Michael Jackson.
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Yes, it's about knowing his abilities. At 20 you're old enough to know that, so to me it's not the age, but more the knowledge you have.
I realize I'm heading into dangerous territory now...:D, but as far as I'm concerned you can have all his music, own rare collectors-items, been to a lot of his concerts, and still don't know his voice. Also, being a fan for many years is not a measurement for recognizing as far as I'm concerned.

I love what you wrote in bold. I wish the people who are responsible for this did the same. Then they would realize you can't replace Michael with just a voice that's trying to sound like him. To me the Cascio singer is...well...just a singer with a specific sound. And there are lots of those. I don't think it's special.

I recommend also these YT's. Destiny Tour in London, 1979. Especially focus on the ad-libs (or improvisations) for all 'believers'.
http://youtu.be/Ct0zxC1PwiM
http://youtu.be/KwzDb7vuPUI
http://youtu.be/SSQpwTDGms8
http://youtu.be/7TCI9heTvlk
 
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ivy said:
so you own that album it's just you didn't pay for it.
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Well, that's the point, to not pay for it, because to have a physical copy of this CD means someone had to pay for it, regardless of whether you bought it yourself or if you got as a gift. A payment for this album is the completion of this scam, it's the last link in the chain, it's what the scammers counts for. I do not want and I will not support them with my money and it doesn't matter how cheap the record is. It's about principle. I do not condemn anyone who bought it, but from my point of view buying it when knowing that it contains fake songs is irrational.
A physical CD itself is the embodiment of this scam, and that horrible cover became its face. In contrast to the files on disk, you cannot do anything about it, you cannot delete fake songs and replace them with something else, you cannot pretend that they are not there. You cannot edit it, its an indivisible whole. No wonder that some people feel revulsion to it.
 
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With the many testing I've done (not the comparisons of the doubters) I made comparisons with Burn Tonight and several other songs and am still convinced the voice is different. Sorry Jason, but it has to be said that Jason as a singer is just horrible. He's an amateur and 100 times worse than "the cascio singer" which is Michael.
You see, MJ's not perfect, not even his voice, and I won't make any comments about most stuff because just like all of you guys I don't know anything you guys don't. But if we're talking about hearing something.. Then I have to say it's totally MJ for me.

Now for the doubters,
We as believers also have a hard time (imo). I really like the songs and really WANT to support them because just like some doubters we all wish MJ DID sing them, correct?
Well.. until I heard Water and Fall In Love I was completely sure. Now things got a bit harder because I admitted before that Fall In Love is just pretty much horrible and the Water song sounds very good but the ending DOES remind me of Jason because that is what I hear. But all in all, people still get confused by Jason many times (his songs, thinking it's MJ). He's kind of considered a copycat (as far as he can actually copy MJ). So yeah, imo, it's not that weird that MJ can sound like Jason if he wants/don't wants to. I just know that if the "truth" somehow comes out and if appears Jason sang the songs I would still like them (as songs). Same with MJ singing the full lead vocals. I might even love them more. So yet again I think there is no reason we should all start insulting each other again because at this very moment I think the doubters and the believers are kind of the same. We DO have doubts and the believers (not all) would like the songs to be sang by MJ. We only need some proof, something Sony/the estate/Jason/Cascio's is not willing to give, and that people is pissing me off. =)

Have a nice day.
 
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