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Michael - The Great Album Debate

azsummergirl said:
i agree, i absolutely hate the fact that this thread is in the "controversy" forum. This is not a controversy. this is a FACT. Seriously, how anyone could still argue that there's anything to wonder about after hearing all 12 tracks is completely beyond me. if you STILL think it's michael, you're either lying or you are really really really really confused.

Whether people "want" to see this topic or not, it should be out there. mj fans deserve to know what went on with this release.
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Oh But This is a Controversial topic no matter which side of the fence you sit and the fan base is still very divided. This is the perferect forum for this discussion - It is The never ending controversial Great Album Debate _ statistics show fans come in to view this topic everyday Its not hidden from them. In fact the term controversy makes a fan more inclined to click.

Definition of CONTROVERSY

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: a discussion marked especially by the expression of opposing views : dispute
 
qbee said:
Oh But This is a Controversial topic no matter which side of the fense you sit and the fan base is still very divided.This is the perferect forum for this discussion - It is The never ending controversial Great Album Debate _ statistics show fans come in to view this topic everyday
Its not hidden from them.

Definition of CONTROVERSY

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: a discussion marked especially by the expression of opposing views : dispute
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Too bad non-members can't read the thread because you have to be registered to have access. Am I right?
 
You are correct Pentum. Michaelmania, Michael in the mirror, What About Us, 2300 Jackson, Controversy and other forums can not be viewed by non-members. Many fan boards dont allow ANY access unless you join. So its not like we are trying to censor - we are just giving fans an incentive to join the board for more information and access.
 
Yeah, but it's just that I/we(?) feel that this thread is something that should be accessible for absolutely everyone - non-members or members.

I mean, 3 songs NOT sung by Michael Jackson on his own album??!!
 
a discussion marked especially by the expression of opposing views : dispute

that's my point. i don't understand how there can BE opposing views. anyone who is actually exposed to all of the complete information about these tracks cannot possibly think there's anything here to wonder about. this isn't like "was aeg behind mj's death" or did jordie actually admit nothing happened" or anything speculative. This is a fact. there's nothing to argue about, and anyone that disagrees is 1) lying 2) doesn't have complete information or 3) needs to listen to more michael jackson.

hence, NOT a controversy.
 
So if this is paramount and so very important - where else are you trying to get your message out
Do you have blogs where you try to get follower are you getting folowers on twitter. Have you created
you OWN message board as many fans have done - why is everyone still in this small circle allowed here
Go out and conquer the world .. If its really that important to you . Other fans have done it for thier interests.
 
I mean, 3 songs NOT sung by Michael Jackson on his own album??!!
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Let me exlpain the reasons why we have this thread set up fpr you to continue your discussion
We want you to be able to voice your opinion and any fans who wish to join in this discussion.
We even have it stickied it for you

But 3 songs Is not a reason to derail every topic and distruct the positive things being done for Michael on this boardwhich is what would happen if this discussion was allowed out side this forum. We tried remember -
It was Caos on the board.

Just like we dont allow TINI to turn every thread into a conspiracy discussion or belivers to turn every thead into Michael is alive. Or Sony boycotters to bash every kind of merchadise put out for MJ fans. Even now the casico debate comes into other threads to bash new albums - Books etc etc becuase of these 3 songs _ so its best for the fans and peace on the board the Casico song discussions be contained in this forum becuase it does cause arguments, controversy and derails the topic of discussion in other threads on the board.

In fact its going on right now which gives us further reason not to allow the discussion outside this forum. Not all fans here want to throw everything down the shoot over 3 songs .. Fact is you are the minority on this board - you do not represent the majority of fans on this board ...

That being said - I complelty agree with your assessment of the 3 Casico songs.
 
qbee said:
So if this is paramount and so very important - where else are you trying to get your message out
Do you have blogs where you try to get follower are you getting folowers on twitter. Have you created
you OWN message board as many fans have done - why is everyone still in this small circle allowed here
Go out and conquer the world .. If its really that important to you . Other fans have done it for thier interests.
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It is still being talked about on Twitter, there are hundreds of videos about this uploaded on the internet, a page where all info is going to be gathered and MORE is in work, letters from fans has been sent to Sony/The Estate, people have tried contacting friends of Jason and Michael, people on Facebook, and even more. I'd say a lot has been done.

"If its really that important to you" - wow, really? If having fake songs on Michael's album is that important to me? No, not at all.
 
I spread the word every day to all my facebook friends Twitter friends and real life friends and family and anyone else. I will continue to spread the truth and also will spread it even more if they decide to put more Cascio songs on any future projects.
 
it just seems the board is afraid to take a stand. why should we be good little fans, and stay in our corner for crazy conspiracy theorists? this is NOT a grey area. it hasn't been, since day 1. by pushing this thread into a lesser-read section that people CERTAINLY take less seriously, we're just helping them win. they're going to do this again and again.

the fans who cannot see this thread are the ones most hurt by it. casual fans and non-members are less likely to realize what went on here. They're the ones that should have the most access to this information. Instead, they don't even know it exists.
 
Okay, so I wanted to find out whether this thread is just an obscure little thread hidden in an obscrue insanity valley. I did a quick research.

Michael Debate Thread (this one here) - View count: 680,918; Number of post: 19,433
The Hoax Theory Thread (the second post popular thread in the controversy section) - View count: 107,821; Number of post: 5,387

I'm also interested to know what the statistics look like for threads in the News sub-forum (most visible section of this board):

The most popular thread is no other than the "New Album" thread, referred to Michael (of course) - View Count: 784,596; Number of post: 11,171
The 2nd most popular thread is the Michael Forever tribute thread - View count: 205,368; Number of post: 4,074
The 3rd most popular thread is the 2010 Grammy thread - View count: 167,865; Number of post: 3,614

Do the above statistics show anything? Even this thread has been moved to this "member only" controversy sub-forum, it's still one of the most viewed thread of this board. Bumper, Pentum, Arky, Aniram and myself can not make up to over 600,000 views. The 600,000 views imply that people still come to this thread to check the updates. Just because many people are no longer actively participate in the dicussion doesn't mean people forget about the existence of the controversial tracks.

Now, is it that difficult to explain why the term "Cascio tracks" is brought up all the time by people in other threads? It seems to me that fans still think about authenticity of the songs. Unfortunately, this issue is not something that we can get over easily. As far as I'm concern, the moderators can react quickly to warn members whenever the term "Cascio tracks" is brought up. The mods can limit the discussion to only this forum. The Cascio tracks will still be in fans' minds. The view counts do not lie. No offense to the mods here. All of your moderation efforts in limiting the Cascio tracks disccusion to this particular thread seems like ignoring the big elephant in the room.

You can argue that the people who view and participate in this thread remains a minority of the general fan pool. Oh well, I don't disagree with you as there is no way to proove. However, you cannot deny the people who are interested in this topic make up a substantial portion of members of this board, as evidenced by the 600,000 view counts, more than 700,000 view counts of the Michael thread and the other closed Cascio tracks related threads.

After reading the stat, I honestly don't care where this thread is at anymore. No matter where it is, people will find it.
 
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Pentum said:
I wasn't even suppose to mention it but I couldn't keep my mouth shut.
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Sounds like a fakemichael.com part 2! Would love to see something like Fake Michael taken to the next level to get the truth out.
 
Happy birthday, Bumper! I just got in, so give me 'til around tomorrow and I'll have your present sorted out!
 
So after many days of careful consideration and months of thought. I have concluded that Mr. Michael Joesph Jackson is not singing on the lead vocals of the Cascio tracks. As convinced as i am by monster, i just have to admit its not him.
 
Also a happy birthday to you Bumper Snippet! (or what's left of it). I'm always late...:smilerolleyes:


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Billyjeanplxiv said:
So after many days of careful consideration and months of thought. I have concluded that Mr. Michael Joesph Jackson is not singing on the lead vocals of the Cascio tracks. As convinced as i am by monster, i just have to admit its not him.
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"And the truth shall set you free!" :D

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It truly is interesting to see how people change their minds after listening the leaked songs. Oh well... they are indeed very bad - so bad that I didn't even bother saving them.
 
Happy Birthday Bumpy!! I know it's late but it's the first time I've been able to get on here :D
 
Hey guys. I'm currently trying to put together a table containing all the arguments we have so far. Both pro and contra and without subjective opinions. It's for a better overview and to see if there is a balance between the arguments or if some are much more strong/weak than others, so it's especially for people who don't have much info yet.
Speaking for myself, I used to be a Cascio defender during the launch of "Michael". But in the past few months my attitude changed. Now I'm not 100% sure that we have Malachi singing on those songs, but I think I'm more on the doubter's than the believer's side (especially after hearing Soldier Boy, Burn Tonight and snippets of the new leaks).



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This is my table so far. If someone has more infos, arguments, I'd like to hear em :)
 
thiron said:
This is my table so far. If someone has more infos, arguments, I'd like to hear em :)
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what about Mgical Processing? singing in the shower, the (supposed) deleted work tapes.
and i think the unprocessed demos sound a little different melody and speed wise that the final michaeled up version.
 
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