Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date April 2, 2013

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The media will be salivating thanks to the jacksons. no wonder they filed this motion
 
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^^And we all know who they are supporting. They want a lot of dirt to bash Michael even further. I really hope the family looses this case and the trial is completed very quickly.
 
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Yeah and the jacksons are offering mjs head on a platter to the media for the chance of big bucks.
 
AEG Live seeks records from Michael Jackson’s dermatologist in defense of suit


http://wavenewspapers.com/arts_and_...cle_878b1e42-c6d3-11e1-b6e8-0019bb30f31a.html



Posted: Thursday, July 5, 2012 11:59 am
By Wave Wire Services
Attorneys for AEG Live want Michael Jackson’s dermatologist to turn over medical records regarding the pop star, whose mother is suing the entertainment conglomerate alleging its officials negligently hired Dr. Conrad Murray to care for her late son.

The suit was filed in September 2010 by the Jackson family matriarch on behalf of herself and Michael Jackson’s three children, Michael Jr., Paris-Michael Katherine and Prince Michael, alleging the company was negligent in hiring Murray.

In documents filed Tuesday with Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos, AEG Live attorneys want Dr. Arnold Klein to turn over all of Michael Jackson’s medical records dating back to January 1984, or show why any of them are privileged and therefore not subject to the company’s subpoena. A hearing is scheduled Sept. 12.

So far, Klein has only produced records from 2008-09, while another 12 pages of documents he did not turn over were received instead from the District Attorney’s Office, according to the AEG Live court papers.

AEG Live lawyers say they need the additional documents to assist them in their defense of the company and that they previously reached an agreement with Michael Jackson’s estate concerning the scope of medical records they could receive from the singer’s physicians.

Michael Jackson was set to perform a string of 50 shows in London for AEG Live, but he died June 25, 2009, of acute propofol intoxication in Los Angeles while rehearsing for the concert series.

The complaint alleges AEG Live is responsible for the medical decisions made by Murray, who was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in Michael Jackson’s death and was sentenced Nov. 29 to four years in prison.


 
Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date delayed to April 2, 2013

I'm scared what is going to come up from this:(
 
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Tbh id be surprised if this was granted as isnt it out of the scope? its along way to go back.

its hard supporting AEG because obviously we know why they are doing this. but the jacksons are the ones who gave AEG this defence so of course they are going to look for evidence to support it. personally other than mjs issues that are documented i doubt AEG will find much especially through the 80's even though the family press and even some fans have helped to shift things onto klien when inreality he maybe an asshole but at this stage theres not much evidence of anything else
 
marc_vivien;3667116 said:
AEG Live lawyers say they need the additional documents to assist them in their defense of the company and that they previously reached an agreement with Michael Jackson’s estate concerning the scope of medical records they could receive from the singer’s physicians.

That means the doctor-patient relationship will be respected and the documents will be marked as confidential? I hope so...
 
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Not sure that they would be marked as confidential as what use would they be to AEG. if they are used in the trial they become public record. i would presime the agreement was more to do with tinespam and what records they could have
 
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I'll do an update later today about multiple events
 
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^ Thanks.

Klein's medical records on mj have already been looked at by sneddon back in 93/4. I'm assuming they're asking back to 1984 because of the myth that has appeared that mj has been hooked on painkillers since his pepsi burn.
 
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Thanks ivy. yeah agree re that myth bonnie. AEG would be stupid not to look for evidence to support their case. i doubt they will find much
 
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its hard supporting AEG because obviously we know why they are doing this. but the jacksons are the ones who gave AEG this defence so of course they are going to look for evidence to support it.

I agree. This is a serious mess. But Katherine filed the lawsuit against AEG basically blaming them for what happened to Michael. And AEG have a right to defend themselves. Unfortunately that could mean that Michael's name will get dragged through the mud. Personally, I think the family went too far in using the "druggie" angle, hoping to boost this case for Katherine. Because it is very likely going to be used against her in court.
 
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^^Sad but true. AEG has to go with everything to protect themselves, not only financially but its name too.
Katherine went way too far. Sometimes I wonder if she comprehends the damage she's doing to Michael. Does she realize she's tainting her son's name for money? Just hope all goes well for AEG so the Jackson don't get a penny.
 
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Well we all know that AEG's defense is that Michael is a druggie and Muarry and drugs killed him not AEG. We have Katherine to thank for this of course. Elusive I am with you on the 80s thing. I can't see the judge allowing information from that time and I can't see AEG getting any information from that to help their defense. If they have a judge last Pastor, then the 80s information will not be included. They should stick to the evidence--that Michael 's death according to the coroner is a direct result of actions in June of 09 and not from actions in the 80s. However I guess AEG want to spill some dirt as well, even though it may not be pertinent to the allegations. A pity the family's need for free money is greater than their love and respect of dead Michael. In all of this, Katherine forgot that Michael's children are alive and would learn of all this nastiness directed at their father. As fans, here we are on the side of a company that will hold Michael up to ridicule, but we are forced into this position by Michael's own family. We are between a rock and a hard place here.
 
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Well we all know that AEG's defense is that Michael is a druggie and Muarry and drugs killed him not AEG. We have Katherine to thank for this of course. Elusive I am with you on the 80s thing. I can't see the judge allowing information from that time and I can't see AEG getting any information from that to help their defense. If they have a judge last Pastor, then the 80s information will not be included. They should stick to the evidence--that Michael 's death according to the coroner is a direct result of actions in June of 09 and not from actions in the 80s. However I guess AEG want to spill some dirt as well, even though it may not be pertinent to the allegations. A pity the family's need for free money is greater than their love and respect of dead Michael. In all of this, Katherine forgot that Michael's children are alive and would learn of all this nastiness directed at their father. As fans, here we are on the side of a company that will hold Michael up to ridicule, but we are forced into this position by Michael's own family. We are between a rock and a hard place here.

I was having this discussion with someone the other day, although I'm not happy with Michael's past being dragged you need to understand that there are some differences as well.

first of all civil trial are a lot more broader than criminal trials. So you'll see a lot more stuff come into play. Asking Tito if he missed any alimony payment is equally broad as asking for Klein's medical records going back to 1984.

Second the criminal trial was focused on Michael's homicide, he died because of Propofol under Murray's medical care. That was the only relevant thing in that lawsuit - who gave what and how and who is responsible for what happened. Here the civil trial is a lot more broad. Don't forget that Katherine in her lawsuit alleged that it was AEG that controlled and directed Michael's healthcare, they were in full control of Murray and forced Michael to medical care coming from Murray. Basically she alleged what Murray gave to Michael - propofol - was AEG's doing. So it brought the defense of "we had nothing to do with Propofol look Michael had decades long history with it and/or with other drugs". You also remember that it was Jackson's that gave the probable cause for AEG to dig more and more with their intervention talks.

anyway I'm off to work on the update
 
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Thanks ivy. look forward to the updates. thank you for doing them
 
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AEG May / June updates

Medical records: As expected AEG had requested medical records for Michael and MJ Estate had mentioned their objections. There's an agreement reached with MJ Estate in regards to Michael's health records. It was limited to 3 years before his death (2006 to 2009) and the records were to be sent to MJ Estate first. MJ Estate had the right to redact the documents claiming doctor - patient privilege / private info and relevance before sending them out to AEG and / or KJ. Latest documents show that there's a second agreement that made the time period 1984 to 2009, although it's not clear if this is only limited to Klein and some witnesses or everyone. Still the rest of the rules are in place. Estate is still redacting any private and irrelevant information before sending the medical records out and the documents are still marked as confidential.

Klein: There's not much to say about Klein's medical records. He was asked for them, he sent 27 pages of medical records all for 2009. LA District Attorney's office gave the copies of the medical records they had. They had 34 pages, 12 pages were different than waht Klein sent to AEG and it included 2008. As the medical records sent didn't cover the initial time period (from 2006) and the second agreed time period (from 1984), AEG has tried to ask for them. However they got no response from Klein and his office and couldn't find who (what lawyer) is representing Klein so they are asking the judge to order Klein to turn over the documents.

I also have to add that in a May 2012 letter, Klein is objecting to the deposition and document requests.

KJ's motion to compel against AEG: Actually this has been going on since mid-May but I have been waiting for more information to report about it. Just as AEG filed and won a motion to compel (get the judge to order Katherine to answer their questions and document requests) , KJ has also filed a motion to compel request against AEG.

Although there are hundreds to thousands pages of filings from both sides I'll keep this short.

Katherine's lawyers filed a motion to compel request against AEG claiming the "rolling discovery" is not acceptable and they have not answered or sent documents that they have asked. Now normally discovery requests are answered once, "rolling basis" means you send out responses/ documents in parts over time.

AEG's response is a lot more interesting than KJ's motion to compel. AEG argues that this is just a retaliation act for the motion to compel they filed and won against KJ. AEG says they could only do rolling discovery as there was close to 3 million pages of documents. AEG first put all the documents into an electronic database and then started to send them to KJ. They asked KJ's lawyer how they wanted them and they said in paper format so AEG sent them 5,000 pages in a hard copy format. They waited for a confidentiality agreement which KJ's lawyer agreed - disagreed- agreed and so on. At this time KJ's lawyers asked for electronic submission. After the confidentiality agreement was signed AEG did 4 more submissions in total of 30,000 pages in TIFF format. Then KJ's lawyers asked for PDF format, AEG did 2 more submissions in PDF format for around 180,000 pages. So in short AEG had sent 222,499 pages in 7 separate productions, AEG also says that the documents they sent are in chronological order.

AEG also state that their document production is almost complete. The number of pages that Katherine sent for AEG's requests is 140.
 
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Ivy I have a question. IF Katherine were to win this would the money go to the children or would Katherine get some as well?

Katherine has plenty of money now. More than enough IMO. She says she loves Michael then for the love of Michael she needs to drop this before it becomes another lets drag MJ through the mud frenzy

Makes me sad when it is Michael's estate that is the one protecting Michael and not his mother. Why???
 
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Ivy I have a question. IF Katherine were to win this would the money go to the children or would Katherine get some as well?

Katherine will get some (or all) as well
 
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I might be in the minority here but I don't think any of this will hurt Michael's legacy or the love people have for him. Don't get me wrong, I don't want Michael dragged through the mud or anything like that. I don't think anything that will be said we haven't heard before.

If anything it will make the Jackson family look bad. They said Michael had all these problems yet they had no problem taking his money and making sure he provided for them. They wanted to help him? It looks like they took advantage of him. It seems that Michael paid for living expenses, house payments, child support payments, alimony payments, school payments and the list goes on. How many times did they try to make Michael go on tour with the brothers? Helping someone is not pressuring them and make them feel like he owes the family anything. I don't think Michael will be on trial, I think it will be the family and their actions on trial.

The sad thing is his family should let Michael rest in peace. They should be grateful for everything he did for them. They should wonder if the shoe was on the other foot would any of them if they could support and take care of the family like Michael did? I doubt it.

I am not a big supporter of AEG. i am sure they gave Michael a hard time about things. But I don't think they are responsible for his death. That was Murray. The trial showed that they wanted nothing to do with Murray. It's like the family didn't pay attention to what happened in the trial.
 
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Thanks ivy. so you would say kjs lawyers are playing silly buggers interms of the filing the compell motion? serms they are just messing aeg around interms of asking for docs in one format than another.

good that the estate are doing what they can to protect mj through the med records

this case will only hurt mj as the media will only report info that makes mj look like a d.a. they wont report info about how mj supported his family how they were deadbeats. imo the media will protect the family as they have offered mj on a plate to the media hence the request to report on this
 
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AEG May / June updates
Estate is still redacting any private and irrelevant information before sending the medical records out and the documents are still marked as confidential.

AEG's response is a lot more interesting than KJ's motion to compel. AEG argues that this is just a retaliation act for the motion to compel they filed and won against KJ. AEG says they could only do rolling discovery as there was close to 3 million pages of documents. AEG first put all the documents into an electronic database and then started to send them to KJ. They asked KJ's lawyer how they wanted them and they said in paper format so AEG sent them 5,000 pages in a hard copy format. They waited for a confidentiality agreement which KJ's lawyer agreed - disagreed- agreed and so on. At this time KJ's lawyers asked for electronic submission. After the confidentiality agreement was signed AEG did 4 more submissions in total of 30,000 pages in TIFF format. Then KJ's lawyers asked for PDF format, AEG did 2 more submissions in PDF format for around 180,000 pages. So in short AEG had sent 222,499 pages in 7 separate productions, AEG also says that the documents they sent are in chronological order.

AEG also state that their document production is almost complete. The number of pages that Katherine sent for AEG's requests is 140.

Thanks you Ivy for this update. Firstly, I'm glad that the estate is there looking after Michael and what goes out.
You wrote that these documents are marked as confidential, my question is:
There was a request for media coverage when the trial starts. If the request is allowed, would these documents still be confidential or will they become public record then?

As for latter part, whats with that request for different forms, same pages in a different form? Don't they have a people there who can convert these same papers to different form, looks idiotic to me!
Katherine's lawyer's got 222,499 pages from AEG, and AEG lawyers got 140 pages from Katherine!
 
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Katherine will get some (or all) as well

When this case was filed, it was filed as Plaintiff's: Katherine Jackson, individually and as Guardian Ad Litem for MJ's kids(names)

I don't know s it important or not but she is not GAD for kids, Margaret Lodise is GAD. If it was purposely done like it is, would it affect on how the money is distributed (if they win the case) between plaintiffs, or could it be that if they win the case, Katherine would get the control of all the monies as she also is GAD for kids? If that is the case, there is nothing to stop her to distribute money to her "cubs".
I don't know how these kind of cases work, what is common procedure if plaintiffs wins case like this? The jury decides who gets and how much?
 
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Michael supported this family all of his life now they expect him to do so in death. His will made it clear he didn't want to anymore. If they when this money from AEG it is BLOOD MONEY. I say shame on them. I have no idea how they sleep at night.

marebear, thank you for your post. I agree 100%
 
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Thanks ivy. so you would say kjs lawyers are playing silly buggers interms of the filing the compell motion? serms they are just messing aeg around interms of asking for docs in one format than another.

I'm not saying it, AEG is saying it. We will know if the judge agrees with it or not.

But the truth is AEG has been producing a lot more documents than Katherine and it does seem to be impossible for them to identify the give the 222,499 pages all together once.


You wrote that these documents are marked as confidential, my question is:
There was a request for media coverage when the trial starts. If the request is allowed, would these documents still be confidential or will they become public record then?

confidential means they can't be showed to other people and if it needs to be filed with the court it will be marked confidential and sealed from public. But if the trial happens and if it's shown in open court, they will become a public record.

As for the media I forgot to say that the request was only for June 22 hearing.

As for latter part, whats with that request for different forms, same pages in a different form? Don't they have a people there who can convert these same papers to different form, looks idiotic to me!

well AEG says before they started sending the documents they asked KJ's lawyers how they want them and they said paper copies. So AEG gives the first 5,000 pages as paper in hard copy format. Then they talk and ask if the paper format will be okay as there are substantial amount of pages, KJ's lawyers say send them in electronic format. AEG's lawyers send them in TIFF format which is widely used and acceptable format in discovery. Only in April - after 4 submissions- KJ's lawyers ask for PDF and the last 2 submission is done in PDF format.

Oh and also KJ's lawyers complain that the individual defendants, Phillips, Gongaware and Leiweke has not produced documents. AEG says that they do not have many documents in their individual capacity and most documents are in the possession of AEG and is sent from AEG. Still Gongaware produced 20,697 pages and Phillips produced 501 pages. Leiweke only 1 page.

Katherine's lawyer's got 222,499 pages from AEG, and AEG lawyers got 140 pages from Katherine!

yep

When this case was filed, it was filed as Plaintiff's: Katherine Jackson, individually and as Guardian Ad Litem for MJ's kids(names)

I don't know s it important or not but she is not GAD for kids, Margaret Lodise is GAD. If it was purposely done like it is, would it affect on how the money is distributed (if they win the case) between plaintiffs, or could it be that if they win the case, Katherine would get the control of all the monies as she also is GAD for kids? If that is the case, there is nothing to stop her to distribute money to her "cubs".

Lodise is GAD for MJ's kids only in Estate related matters. She's appointed by the Probate judge and her only duty is to make sure that MJ's kids rights and benefits are protected in regards to what Estate executors do.

I don't know how these kind of cases work, what is common procedure if plaintiffs wins case like this? The jury decides who gets and how much?

Money amount will be determined by the judge / jury. Compensatory damages (actual losses) is determined by some logic , some calculation based on factual information (for example if 2 million is spent for funeral costs - which is proven by the receipts, money paid- can be determined to be an actual loss). Punitive damages are totally at jury's control and they can decide any number they want.

Any win would be divided among the plaintiffs - in this instance between Katherine and MJ's kids. As MJ's kids are minors their share can be put into a bank account until they are 18, or it could be put into a trust which is managed by a person - which would be generally their legal guardian (such as parents or who have their custody) - until they are 18.
 
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Actually Michael has it set up the same way he did in life. Through his Mother. She uses the money as she sees fit.
Michael never directly supported his syblins or father it was through katherine. And so it still is... what she gives
or doesnt give to her family is her business. Its HER Money from Michael to do with as she pleases.
 
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Can Katherine file an appeal if she loses the case?
 
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