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William Wagener: Sneddon should be in jail!!!!

Did you try the link? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lVak-gVDgvE

Here is another ...

http://youtu.be/lVak-gVDgvE

Or look up the first video in this thread and click on the you tube symbol at the bottom of the video and go to his home page to find the latest video there.

Hope this hleps!:)


This is the statement made under the video...


William Wagener, objective TV Host & Reporter who was the only TV personality to predict correctly 100% not Guilty for Michael Jackson in 2005, leads a dozen M.J. Fans to call for INDICTMENT by a Special Prosecutor of the "dirty 4" , Tom Sneddon, Ron Zonen, Gordon Auchincloss, and Mag Nicola. At the August 14th, 2012 meeting they looked the 5 leaders of the Santa Barbara County, square in the EYE and asked them to read the AFFIDAVIT of William Wagener and appoint on outside Special Prosecutor to investigate, Indicte, arrest , convict and sentence for former S.B. Prosecutors of Michael Joe Jackson , to prison. The Supervisors had never heard the FACTS , did not attend the trial, and were visible shocked to hear that Sneddon and Snakes "fabricated" false evidence and conspired to do so. In so doing, Sneddon committed 3 felonies at least, and William Wagener, an admitted non- Michael Jackson fan in 2005, wants justice to be applied equally to the alleged dirty 4 prosecutors who allegedly committed crimes against the Court,called FRAUD on THE COURT, by fabricating false evidence.

The Supervisors, did not respond as they are prohibited by law to do so unless it is on the agenda. They could ignore it, send the Affidavit of Will Wagener to County Counsel, or just appoint a special prosecutor once the item is put on a future agenda, in Sept. or October , or November. Bill Brown the elected Sheriff plus 5 other deputies were there to make sure all the rules were obeyed. William Wagener did NOT get to finish his statement, but his back up team did. The Supervisors now a constructive NOTICE of a CRIME by Sneddon, and have a duty to do something about it.
 
Sneddon willingly and knowingly put perjurors on the witness stand as well.. The former employees and also the lying Arvizo's. If the prosecutors don't do anything I pray that God will. Sneddon is a snake and he knew the Arvizo's were lying because he told them to lie. Right after Bashir, Sneddon sought them out and he along with Diane Demon promised to take care of the Arvizo's if they accused MJ.. May they all rot in hell!!! God sees all and he knows what they did.
 
jaydom7 said:
God sees all and he knows what they did.
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You know that's right!

I pray they ALL get what's coming to them, because as far as I'm concerned they ALL had a hand in Michael's death.

They chipped away at the man's soul. I'm sure there were a FEW reasons as to why Michael couldn't get a good night's sleep, and I bet one of those reasons was what Sneddon and the media tried to do to the dear man. It makes me SO sad to think what he had to endure because of them and to be honest, I'm surprised that he was able to survive for as long as he did. The strength he had was definitely one of a kind. I miss him so much!
 
yeah Big Apple I miss him too... I hope whatever God has in store for those liars and crooks that I will be around to see it
 
We will follow this and hopefully this will bring the allegations officiall brought up in court now to light .. if nothing comes of it at least it will be on the record. That Sneddon was called out legally in court for his actions (Dirty deeds).

It was also addressed by William Wageners followers that Tom Mez never stated he supported William Wageners Documentary. They Stating it was fans that percieved that becuase he was interviewed by W.W. .. but some fans were angry that he implied that by ommision. In that he never denied that when fans would state Mez supported his Doc.
 
I told my mom about this and she agrees that Sneddon should be jailed, she understands that people like Sneddon takes adventage of Michael.

But later on, I got into a dispute with deviantArt member regarding this, saying I'm guessing a she, she loves Michael, but her heart goes to Sneddon and told me I shouldn't hate, I kept on telling her I have right to hate Sneddon, then keeps on and on with me and I told her "I can smell MJ hate on you", okay I didn't mean to say that, but her lecturing is provoking me so much. I put her name on the block list to ignore her. I guess some people don't understand all this.
 
I don’t trust this guy. My gut tells me that although he talks a good game his bottom line is to scam MJ fans out of money. After all he is an ex-con and there is no way to verify the amount or what he is using fans money for. I would advise fans to be very cautious.
 
I am confused.. is there a special prosecutor looking at this case?
 
Victory22;3690633 said:
I don’t trust this guy. My gut tells me that although he talks a good game his bottom line is to scam MJ fans out of money. After all he is an ex-con and there is no way to verify the amount or what he is using fans money for. I would advise fans to be very cautious.
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I agree 100%.

And he sounds like a nutjob conspiracy theorist when you read, for example, his recent comments about Murray and David Walgren (see the Controversy section). I know MJ fans are desperate to let the world know that MJ was innocent, but I think associating us with this rather shady character would only do harm to our case. Rather than really vindicating Michael, he seems to be motivated by his hatred to Sneddon, which is because of his personal reasons. He just uses MJ fans and MJ's name in his own personal war against Sneddon IMO.
 
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jaydom7 said:
I am confused.. is there a special prosecutor looking at this case?
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no not yet they just brought it up before the board .. there is a video - they each has 2minbut many wasted that
on unrelated issues rather then getting to the point. They were not very organised when it came to orally presenting their case... BUT a written plea is submitted with all the info along with their oral tesitmony. Now they just have to wait for the board to review it and decide how it will proceed.


But further than him helping to bring this to court _ I dont not trust all the side agenda he brings to the table for MJfans
or his ... soliciting MONEY$$$ from them. He also bashed David Walgren :( and attcked his integrity over the Murray trial to support his conspiracy Agenda. He says 2 others are involved in killing MJ and Murray was just the fall guy and that David Walgren knows this and covered it up and that was why he was elected judge. ???? :doh: etc etc. as well as his agenda against the MJ Estate .. Wagener has some very creepy conspiracy theories even beyond all this. If you check out his channel .. I think most of what he does is self serving .. IMO




http://youtu.be/lVak-gVDgvE
 
qbee said:
But further than him helping to bring this to court _ I dont not trust all the side agenda he brings to the table for MJfans
or his ... soliciting MONEY$$$ from them. He also bashed David Walgren :( and attcked his integrity over the Murray trial to support his conspiracy Agenda. He says 2 others are involved in killing MJ and Murray was just the fall guy and that David Walgren knows this and covered it up and that was why he was elected judge. ???? :doh: etc etc. as well as his agenda against the MJ Estate .. Wagener has some very creepy conspiracy theories even beyond all this. If you check out his channel .. I think most of what he does is self serving .. IMO
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If he's making up such a crazy conspiracy theory like the one about Murray I don't trust him in representing this case well in court. I fear eventually he will only make MJ and his fans look ridiculous and this will harm more than do good. Sneddon is evil, but he is no fool. If Weneger will come up with crazyness in court and if his evidence is not strong the case will be thrown out of court and it will only give the impression that Sneddon was right after all.

I don't like this at all.
 
bluetopez said:
The second one was the 1108 law. Which allows the state to bring alleged past bad acts against a defendant in a current similar trial of the same kind of allegations to show a suppose pattern! Which help Sneedon get the allegations of 93 in the 05 MJ trial! So MJ literally was fighting against more then one case against him when you really think about it and he was acquitted of all of them! So Sneedon plan didn't work! It actually helped Michael in the end! :D LMAO!
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About the 1108 evidence I think the law change that Sneddon made because of the MJ case was that third party witnesses now were allowed to testify instead of the alleged victims. This was because Sneddon was unable to find other alleged victims. So he brought in ex-employees with an axe to grind instead to testify against Michael. But then the guys about whom they claimed that they saw MJ molest them went on the stand and testified that Michael never molested them (Brett Barnes, Macaulay Culkin, Wade Robson).

Here is a very good article from CNN legal analyst, Joanna Spilbor about why all this, that third party witnesses were allowed to testify against Michael, potentially violated Michael's constitutional rights:

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/31/spilbor.jackson/
 
Here is a legal response to the comment made to the Fans. It is a comment of Michael’s “not guilty” verdict being over turned if Sneddon is brought up on charges. A question which may frighten the truly loyal and loving and cause them to not support or not continue to support the Affidavit.



(COMMENT)
“Michael was found Not Guilty, despite the actions of Sneddon and the
let’s ponder on the ramifications of having William Wageners affidavit accepted and the verdict voided.

Is that what MJ fans want?

Do we want the Not Guilty verdicts voided? We think not.

So if a fraud upon court is proven all of the orders and judgments are voided
and this voids the verdict"

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Question put to JB Umphrey attorney at law

Scenario: officer(s) of the court are found to be guilty of "Fraud Upon the Court" after a case has been tried.

The defendant was found NOT GUILTY

QUESTION: If the officers of the court are found to have committed "Fraud Upon the Court" does this overturn the not guilty verdict for the defendant?
Optional Information:
Country relating to Question: United States
State (if USA): California

Response from JB Umphrey attorney at law
Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:44 PM EST
Welcome and thank you for your question!

"The answer to your question is "no." The defendant was found not guilty and that's how things will remain. The defendant cannot be tried twice for the same crime (double jeopardy)."

http://en.wikipedia....Double_jeopardy


I have been told Wagener did not properly submit the Affidavit nor to the correct Govt body. I do not have a legal answer whether he did or not properly submit; my answer is one of common sense. If Mr. Wagener did not properly submit nor submit to the correct people I suspect they would have informed him if not before surely during if only to embarrass him.

Santa Barbara reporting on Affidavit and Board Meeting:
http://www.newspress.com/Top/index.jsp

Blogtalkradio interview with Wagener and several person who attended the meeting. Get their impression of what went on and the reactions to the Affidavit. Thurs 8/16/12 12 PST, 2 CST & 3 EST
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cadeflaw/2012/08/16/william-wageners-affidavit-a-rolling-stone-part-2
 
Is this about William Wagner?

http://santamariatimes.com/news/local/article_97a1a168-faa3-5ca4-a1d7-64e9457b41e4.html


Wagener arrested for seeking office


March 01, 2002 12:00 am • Karen White / Senior Times Writer

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SANTA MARIA 77 Fifth district supervisorial candidate William J. "B.J.// Wagener has been taken out of the running for violating his probation in connection with an arrest warrant in Wisconsin.

The arrest warrant charges Wagener with violating the terms of his probation in connection with felony bail jumping. As a convicted felon on probation, the California Constitution prohibits him from running for office or even voting. Running for office violates his probation status.

Wagener, 57, was arrested Thursday afternoon at the Santa Barbara County Probation Department in Santa Maria, where he was called by a local probation officer. He is on probation from Wisconsin through Feb. 11, 2004. Supervision of his probation was moved to the local area from Wisconsin in 1998.

If returned to Wisconsin for violation of probation, Wagener could be required to serve 30 months in state prison there. An extradition hearing must first be held.

Wagener was booked about 4:30 p.m. into the Santa Barbara County Sheriff/s Jail on the no-bail warrant and later was transported to Santa Barbara.

He also is facing charges of failure to pay child support in connection with children he fathered outside of wedlock who live in Wisconsin.

The candidate, a libertarian, is an outspoken advocate of personal freedoms and less government and is producer and host of the ComCast cable Channel 22 TV political show, "On Second Thought." He is a former property manager and real estate salesman.

Wagener was convicted, after a jury trial, in January 1998 in the Kewaunee County Wisconsin Circuit Court. Although the reason for the conviction was not detailed in Wisconsin court records, Wagener was convicted and sentenced to six years probation on Feb. 11 of that year on two counts of felony bail jumping, after serving 27 days in jail.

The issue involved Theresa S. Choe, the mother of two of his children, and according to his own written words "my non-legal plural wife." They came together, court records show, when she was 18, and were united by a marriage contract he wrote himself, records show.

Wagener also has a legal wife and five children in Santa Maria.

Originally from Wisconsin, Choe returned with the children to her home area. Court records show Wagener owes nearly ,14,000 in child support to Choe.

He failed to appear for a Feb. 19, 2002, hearing in the Wisconsin court dealing with child support. His excuse to the court was that he had a serious illness. But the next day he played host to the state Libertarian convention in Santa Maria.

The Wisconsin court has been advised of these facts by Choe, according to Pam Brown, a local woman who is the adoptive mother of one of the sons of Carole and William Wagener.

Court records show that Wagener/s past has involved several of what he calls "non-legal" wives. For many years, Carole and William Wagener lived in a polygamous relationship that involved at least four other "wives" and seven children, according to evidence presented in a 1993 child support and custody case in a local court.

Wagener became embroiled in the battle when Choe sued for child support and custody. He filed for bankruptcy shortly after the case went to court.

In a written statement filed with the court, Wagener said he didn/t believe he should have to pay child support to Choe because she was using their children "as a meal ticket as she used me and Carole for eight years for fun and games and a free meal ticket."

Wagener ran in November 2000 for a seat on the Santa Maria City Council and then for the Santa Maria Public Airport Board.

Carole Wagener was a candidate for trustee of the Santa Maria-Bonita School District in November 2000.

They lost the elections.

In his campaign statement for supervisor Tuesday, Wagener said "Over 30 years of making my living outside the government payroll is what sets me apart from my opponents."

He added, "we need a citizen-worker, not bureaucrats in this elected position."

* Senior Staff Writer Karen White can be reached at (805) 739-2217 or by e-mail at kwhite@pulitzer.net.

March 1, 2002
 
I would say so thanks Annita. Boy he has a shady past! I wonder what else there might be. Did you just google to find that?

Do you guys think he has made a turn around since then,..as this is a concern!?
 
Dialdancer;3690929 said:
Here is a legal response to the comment made to the Fans. It is a comment of Michael’s “not guilty” verdict being over turned if Sneddon is brought up on charges. A question which may frighten the truly loyal and loving and cause them to not support or not continue to support the Affidavit.
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here's my non-legal response

Re: Fraud upon court, Sneddon, Wagener

Every single MJ fan would like to see Sneddon pay for what he did to Michael but at the same time I believe we stand to benefit a lot from being realistic.

Soon after Michael’s death Wagener was promising that Sneddon can be indicted for “malicious prosecution” however this was wrong as “malicious prosecution” could have been only brought by Michael and only within a certain time period. When corrected by the fans, Wagener (or most probably his supporters) came up with “fraud” or “fraud upon the court” claims. Fraud claim is also limited to certain time period from “discovery date” which is also passed because the knowledge about what Sneddon did is not new; we knew it since 2005 when T-Mez actually mentioned the fingerprints and such.

That leaves us with “fraud upon the court” which looks really nice on the paper with no statute of limitations and serious consequences that could include fine and perhaps even jail time in addition to firing and disbarment. However it’s not correctly understood (probably due to the fact that it’s highly specialized and quite rare).

Read the definition please

“Fraud upon the court is fraud which is directed to the judicial machinery itself and is not fraud between the parties or fraudulent documents, false statements or perjury. ... It is where the court or a member is corrupted or influenced or influence is attempted or where the judge has not performed his judicial function --- thus where the impartial functions of the court have been directly corrupted.”

Now read it again.

Fraud upon the court is NOT – again NOT – fraudulent documents or false statements. So from this definition you see that false fingerprints are not fraud upon the court.

Fraud upon the court is when the court cannot be impartial.

Here comes the MOST important question: How can you argue the court could not perform its impartial functions, when the verdict was “not guilty”?

The answer is simple: You can’t. Your basic common sense and logic should tell you that you can’t really argue that the court was corrupted and could not perform its impartial functions when the verdict was “not guilty” and indeed an innocent man was found innocent because the court was able to do its job.

That’s why the online lawyers Mary Brookins contacted told you that a “not guilty” verdict will hold because there is no basis for a fraud upon the court claim in this scenario.

What the people said about the fraud upon the court principles and how the judgment would be voided was also true and all you need is again your common sense and basic logic to realize that this is the truth. If the court is corrupted to the point of not being able to be impartial, that would void any and all decisions of that court as everyone is entitled to a fair trial. This is clear in the legal wording as well which says “"Fraud upon the court" makes void the orders and judgments of that court. Under Federal law, when any officer of the court has committed "fraud upon the court", the orders and judgment of that court are void, of no legal force or effect.”

Furthermore “fraud upon the court” can only be brought by the person who has been damaged by such fraud – which was Michael. That’s why you aren’t seeing a complaint to the court because neither Wagener nor the fans have any legal standing. Wagener only talked to County Supervisors hoping that they would start an independent investigation.

So where all of this leaves us? Nowhere to be honest. What Wagener did was to take the stand at a meeting where anyone from the public can talk and mentioned his suspicions. You are hoping that the supervisors will take it seriously and start an investigation themselves otherwise you have no legal standing to bring any complaint. You are then hoping that your claims would hold and it would uncover something and then hoping that it would result in a consequence which is more serious than firing and disbarment which has no meaning to the blissfully retired Sneddon. That’s a lot of hoping and a lot of dreaming. I’m even hearing that Wagener participating in blog talk radio saying that nothing will probably happen and/or there needs to be law changes for Sneddon to be held responsible. To me it seems like even Wagener is aware that this is just a dream. Furthermore if you have been a long time fan, active during 2005 trial and know the 16+ cases that have been filled against Sneddon when he was the DA and you would also know that nothing came out of those that would punish Sneddon for what he did. At most some lawsuits were dismissed and the verdicts were overturned but Sneddon continued to be the aggressive and corrupt prosecutor. As one of fans mentioned during their speech, it’s highly unlikely that any county supervisor would even start an investigation of Sneddon especially given the fact that you don’t have a complaining victim (Michael), the victim is dead, Sneddon is retired and it’s been over 7 years. So these are the sad but true facts.

I can understand if some have an emotional response and feel like they need to at least try this effort but they also need to understand that having a realistic approach and saying “well probably nothing will come out of this” is not being a hater or being a fake fan. Again I’m absolutely sure that every MJ fans would love – LOVE – to see Sneddon being held responsible for what he put Michael put through but if realistically this is not possible then our time is better spent on focusing on other things. Furthermore to be brutally honest, this unrealistic approach is what causes MJ fans to have a reputation of being “crazy” or “delusional”. Just the comments under the local news story include “Mad MJ fans”, “Do these people have any lives what so ever?” and “A number of people with a lack of purpose in their lives showed up”. Is that how we want to portray the MJ fan base?

Honestly sometimes I wonder how much of this attempt of trying to indict Sneddon is done for Michael and how much of it is based on Wagener’s own history with Sneddon. I believe Michael Jackson was the only person that could bring charges against Sneddon for judicial fraud, malicious prosecution and prosecutorial misconduct but he didn’t and the statue of limitations has run its course.

But that’s not the only thing, there’s Wagener’s documentary. Again we all know his position and reporting during the 2005 trial and thankful for it. So getting the story of the 2005 trial out, exposing evidence tempering, changing the public perception, expressing Michael’s innocence seems to be a far better effort for Michael’s legacy. You know, it’s possible to convict Sneddon in the court of public opinion.

I want to end this by saying that everyone is entitled to their opinion and can decide on what to support or not. My position is to be realistic and focus on stuff that I know can actually make a difference. I wish everyone all the best in what route and effort they wish to take.

PS: Please let’s all of us stop with this “hater” and “fake fan” bs, it’s called a difference of opinion and most adults can respect a person’s right to an opinion even though it’s totally opposite of their opinion.
 
Two or three weeks ago I found on one of facebook accounts this petition http://www.thepetitionsite.com/662/...ct-of-tom-sneddon-2005-michael-jackson-trial/

In my opinion they should try give proofs that Seddon broken law and he should go to jail.
About Murray case- maybe Wagener have right that Murray was pawn others people to kill Michael. Of course Murray is guilty and i haven't any doubts for it, because he did this, but i think others was mixed to this case too. Maybe mafia, maybe illuminati or maybe someone other because for me is many proven and putative people that treated Michael in wrong way for many "reasons".
 
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