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Michael - The Great Album Debate

Garden said:
Stella, why information is still not yet together after all this time and where is that information? Why waiting so long?
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There is no information, just pure speculation. They use Google and blog entries to make up stories for any kind of information they can find. E.g. Stuart Brawley allegedly adding copy-pastes when they saw him simply blogging about working on the tracks. You know instead of crediting him for the music, he's now a part of an alleged fraud. The same way they slandered Frank DiLeo and the ridiculous tabloid "journalist" Roger Friedman. They even dare to think the estate would have taken notice of that guy and bought the tracks due to him breaking the news when in fact he's got sources close to the executors who leak info to him all the time.
Someone else even went that far to claim in early 2012 that the Jacksons would join him in a "highly talked about consumer fraud case" that statements from various long-term producers who signed a non-disclosure agreement would be seeked.

Of course...
 
Korgnex said:
There is no information, just pure speculation. They use Google and blog entries to make up stories for any kind of information they can find. E.g. Stuart Brawley allegedly adding copy-pastes when they saw him simply blogging about working on the tracks. You know instead of crediting him for the music, he's now a part of an alleged fraud. The same way they slandered Frank DiLeo and the ridiculous tabloid "journalist" Roger Friedman. They even dare to think the estate would have taken notice of that guy and bought the tracks due to him breaking the news when in fact he's got sources close to the executors who leak info to him all the time.
Someone else even went that far to claim in early 2012 that the Jacksons would join him in a "highly talked about consumer fraud case" that statements from various long-term producers who signed a non-disclosure agreement would be seeked.

Of course...
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You are also claiming you know the songs are real and that you know informations that we don't, but you are always mysterious, answering only when it's good for you and not proving anything about Cascio tracks.

Just like you said you know that MJ is not singing on Jay-Z's Girls Girls Girls (although Jay-Z said that he is) but when you were asked for your source you didn't answer.

http://www.xxlmag.com/news/latest-h...ael-jackson-sang-backup-on-girls-girls-girls/
 
It was said at the time that Girls Girls Girls featuring MJ didn't come out because of issues to do with the record company's.
 
What is girl girl girl. I've only recently heard of it. As for other songs featureing michael.....are they any good
 
The proof is in the voice. If I post my music and say I'm Michael Jackson singing and you listen I think you'd have enough proof it's not Michael Jackson.
 
StellaJackson said:
He was in New Jersey with Eddie Cascio, who then registered the completed tracks a few days later. See Ason (Angelikson) Compilation 4 and 9 of 13.

A couple of weeks later, Jason registered his own stuff for the first time, even though much of it had been around for years.
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Ohh, thanks for the info.

When we heard "All i need/Imagine II" nobody could say is not Jason Malachi. There is nothing from MJ on that song. It is totally Edward Jason Cupeta "Malachi" and everybody knows it.
 
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I should have had the Cascio songs on my playlist for Halloween when I really wanted to be scared. All I Need is a real spooker.
 
Korgnex said:
There is no information, just pure speculation. They use Google and blog entries to make up stories for any kind of information they can find. E.g. Stuart Brawley allegedly adding copy-pastes when they saw him simply blogging about working on the tracks. You know instead of crediting him for the music, he's now a part of an alleged fraud. The same way they slandered Frank DiLeo and the ridiculous tabloid "journalist" Roger Friedman. They even dare to think the estate would have taken notice of that guy and bought the tracks due to him breaking the news when in fact he's got sources close to the executors who leak info to him all the time.
Someone else even went that far to claim in early 2012 that the Jacksons would join him in a "highly talked about consumer fraud case" that statements from various long-term producers who signed a non-disclosure agreement would be seeked.

Of course...
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Shows how much you know. There are things happening right now.

And I've never once supported any of the things you just mentioned with the exception of Stuart Brawley who openly admitted to working with the Angelikson production team. And he is credited for his work on KYHU. It's no secret that there are pasted adlibs in there. We can all hear them. So why would anyone suggest that he is part of some fraud?

I have never once slandered Frank Dileo so I take exception to this allegation. I have also never implicated Roger Friedman. He got info about the tracks from Dileo and published his articles as an exclusive. End of. He isn't part of some grand scheme. I have never heard anything about a long term consumer fraud case. The only case I've heard about is the one you kept going on about regarding Birchey, which after all your accusations and slandering of him, is now no longer happening.
 
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I'm confident the truth will come out sooner or later.
 
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WildStyle;3732933 said:
It was said at the time that Girls Girls Girls featuring MJ didn't come out because of issues to do with the record company's.
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But he said in 2009 that Jackson sang on “Girls, Girls, Girls” on the original Blueprint album!

“He was on my song ‘Girls, Girls, Girls’, singing these background vocals and I didn’t even put his name on it.”
 
This is a good one with MJ in the background. He is instantly recognisable there, yet isn't recognisable in the leads of the Cascio tracks. Not good.

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StellaJackson said:
He was in New Jersey with Eddie Cascio,
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Where's your proof? You're just pulling stuff out of your butt, and when asked for sources, you clam up. You do realize you're publically accusing two American citizens of fraud on a public forum, right?
 
kreen said:
Where's your proof? You're just pulling stuff out of your butt, and when asked for sources, you clam up. You do realize you're publically accusing two American citizens of fraud on a public forum, right?
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Cool. Let them sue me. But they won't do anything because they are cowards who know they are guilty of creating fake songs.
 
Aniram said:
I remember a while back there was a pic posted of his Twitter or Facebook where he announced he was leaving or something for a trip and then was absent, no posts, for roughly 3 weeks or 3 weeks exact. Then he returned as normal.
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Where's that pic? Was it legit? Weren't there like 2 or 3 fake Malachi accounts in those days?

It seems to me that someone taking a 3-week leave for committing a crime 1- wouldn't publically draw attention to it on his twitter account and 2- would find the time to send a few tweets during his vacation as to not raise suspicions. Or don't they have wi-fi in New Jersey?
 
kreen said:
Where's that pic? Was it legit? Weren't there like 2 or 3 fake Malachi accounts in those days?

It seems to me that someone taking a 3-week leave for committing a crime 1- wouldn't publically draw attention to it on his twitter account and 2- would find the time to send a few tweets during his vacation as to not raise suspicions. Or don't they have wi-fi in New Jersey?
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It was from Jason's own Facebook page that he was regularly updating with family events etc. The fakes popped up after BN ironically.
 
Korgnex said:
There is no information, just pure speculation. They use Google and blog entries to make up stories for any kind of information they can find. E.g. Stuart Brawley allegedly adding copy-pastes when they saw him simply blogging about working on the tracks. You know instead of crediting him for the music, he's now a part of an alleged fraud. The same way they slandered Frank DiLeo and the ridiculous tabloid "journalist" Roger Friedman. They even dare to think the estate would have taken notice of that guy and bought the tracks due to him breaking the news when in fact he's got sources close to the executors who leak info to him all the time.
Someone else even went that far to claim in early 2012 that the Jacksons would join him in a "highly talked about consumer fraud case" that statements from various long-term producers who signed a non-disclosure agreement would be seeked.

Of course...
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Korgnex, I am intrigued. Set aside what the official side says anything about the Cascio songs, I understand that you managed to collect some extremely rare items, which I don't question how and where you got them, I am simply asking you to explain how, among all the stuff you have collected you hear Michael Jackson's voice on songs such as "Stay" or "Fall In Love"? Is there any item you collected that sounds similar to those vocals?

Also, for example the way the word "victim" is pronounced in "Soldier Boy", does it sound natural to you? And all those ylps in the beginning of the "Soldier Boy", among all the stuff you have collmected, don't you found them exaggerated?

For someone who supposedly has many unreleased stuff and hard to find items, I am really curious. But please answer in all honesty and without thinking about what the Estate, SONY, Eddie or Teddy said.
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^^^^Korgnex??

You know something we all should know? You are so sure of everything?
 
Guys, I want to say something. Please remember this whole discussion only exists because we love Michael Jackson.

That's the common bond we have.

Please don't forget that.

All members in this thread are passionate fans who care a lot about his artistry, right?
 
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I agree that these talks of lawsuits and things are unnecessary. Well, it's unnecessary in proving anything. It has nothing to do with the authenticity of the songs. If someone sues, the songs are still fake, if no one sues, the songs are still fake. Nothing changes that.
 
I'm quite sure it's already been discussed that Sony and The Estate were very careful with this whole thing legally in regards to fixing it so a lawsuit would be worthless.
 
StellaJackson said:
Yeah but I didn't say that. And I don't care either. All that matters to me is Michael and what I view as an injustice towards his art. I'm not interested in anything else, including what Birchey did or didn't do.
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However you are accusing people for committing the crime and your accusations are based on only an opinion. Try to think about it and slow down with your statements. I think it's a reasonable advice.
 
If there were any evidence that the tracks were real, it would have been shown by now. There is absolutely no logical reason to withhold it.
 
elapentela said:
However you are accusing people for committing the crime and your accusations are based on only an opinion. Try to think about it and slow down with your statements. I think it's a reasonable advice.
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I'll say whatever I like thanks.
 
StellaJackson said:
If there were any evidence that the tracks were real, it would have been shown by now. There is absolutely no logical reason to withhold it.
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There is absolutely no logical reason to show any evidence by someone like Eddie Cascio for example. At the time when he doesn't look for any publicity and attention it's just makes no sense at all.
 
elapentela said:
There is absolutely no logical reason to show any evidence by someone like Eddie Cascio for example. At the time when he doesn't look for any publicity and attention it's just makes no sense at all.
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The biggest names in the musicindustry tweet, share info on Facebook or have their own site with their own blogs. For me it's the other way around; It makes no sense he doesn't look for publicity and attention, especially with his occupation.
 
elapentela said:
There is absolutely no logical reason to show any evidence by someone like Eddie Cascio for example. At the time when he doesn't look for any publicity and attention it's just makes no sense at all.
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When the album was suffering, falling down the charts, when the fan base was in turmoil, when he was being accused of faking songs, he has evidence that can end all that and prove that the songs are not fake, stop the accusations against him and help the album and his songs yet he decides to withhold that evidence. That makes no sense whatsoever. It is totally inconceivable that in the face of all that was going on, Eddie would hold back any proof that he had, especially when he and his family were invited on to Oprah. They were quite happy to show those videos and share stories about Michael but not show any proof that the songs were real? That is absolutely ridiculous. They didn't show any proof because there isn't any.
 
elapentela said:
There is absolutely no logical reason to show any evidence by someone like Eddie Cascio for example. At the time when he doesn't look for any publicity and attention it's just makes no sense at all.
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Eddie got some pretty big publicity and attention when he appeared on the Oprah show to talk about the tracks -- perhaps the best time possible to play some of the "work tapes" or the recording studio footage of "Michael" recording Monster that has been long rumored. Just consider this: let's say you worked with Michael Jackson at some point and recently released three songs. Suddenly, the fan community backlashes on you, calling you a liar and claiming that the vocals on your songs aren't Michael. But wait -- you have work tapes and a studio video of Michael recording!

Tell me any logical reasoning behind keeping the evidence to yourself/himself.

Just for another example Barry Gibb, when he released All in Your Name. I did not see a single fan question the authenticity of Michael's vocals, but what did Barry Gibb do? He released studio footage. No one knew that Barry had studio footage, yet he still opted to release it when he didn't have to. Everyone knows that Eddie (supposedly) has work tapes and studio footage, yet he doesn't do anything. I see no logic in that.
 
StellaJackson said:
When the album was suffering, falling down the charts, when the fan base was in turmoil, when he was being accused of faking songs, he has evidence that can end all that and prove that the songs are not fake, stop the accusations against him and help the album and his songs yet he decides to withhold that evidence. That makes no sense whatsoever. It is totally inconceivable that in the face of all that was going on, Eddie would hold back any proof that he had, especially when he and his family were invited on to Oprah. They were quite happy to show those videos and share stories about Michael but not show any proof that the songs were real? That is absolutely ridiculous. They didn't show any proof because there isn't any.
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It's ridiculous for you but they didn't go on Ophra to show anything but just very few picture and videos. And they talked for maybe 15 minutes. Eddie even was not talkative at all (it's his nature anyway). Now if you see how much money Jacksons are making for talking about MJ (whom they have seen very rarely during the last 25-30 years and even when they played Victory shows they didn't socialize behind the scene) I would imagine that Cascios got very good advices and keep most of MJ's "memorabilia" in a well protected safe. This staff is worth millions and should to be presented not on Ophra 15 min. segment but in something a lot more valuable like a good documentary or the movie. And I'm very positive that Eddie Cascio did not get requests to release any proof of Michael's recording (other than they sold to Sony) from anyone who is an important enough for him to do it.
 
Why do you defend him for not showing proof of the songs, when the songs caused a huge split in the mj fan base, fans demaning proof, the estate questioning the vocals, many different producers questioning? And the issue is STILL being heavly discussed on all MJ boards all over the world, yet you sit here defending him. I'm baffled.

Even Korgnex sent a mail to Sony asking for proof for the fans and dislike that Eddie doesn't show jack

Even if I was a "believer" I would still think Eddie is a twat for simply ignoring all of this.
 
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