Estate, Cascio and Porte Sued Over Three Songs on the "Michael" Album - Vera Senova Class Action

[jjason782]

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Actually thinking more and more about this I am more worried this is going to harm future rel.

 

[tricia70]

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Couldn't agree more with your post. Very well said. Indeed, the allegations continue to threaten his legacy with the general public. After reading a recent article about Michael concerning whether or not he would have been a positive influence on Justine Bieber, I was shocked by the number of negative comments and references to the past allegations. Unfortunately, it seems that quite a lot of people have already made up their minds about this issue even without having all of the facts. I am hoping that time will change this but we will have to wait and see.

This may be naive on my part but since his death, most reasonable and normal people out there acknowledge that Michael was truly innocent. I've encountered many, many people that are not particularly MJ fans that have said so. When you go to these websites and you see these comments you encounter these "haters" that are not the usual run of the mill people. I call them the "scum of the earth".

Any huge star or successful person will have its share of "haters" that's just human nature. Michael had "haters' back during Thriller I am sure, why? jealousy, with Michael maybe racism, who knows. Then things were exacerbated because of his changing looks and him "becoming white" so that brought more haters. And of course the allegations more than added to that. The media more than helped propagate it exponentially. So these same haters from way back are still around making noise in a lot of these websites.

The media is now a lot more friendlier to Michael. It is very clear to me. Things have changed and they will continue to change. These recent allegations have been buried as a non-story by the media because any reasonable person knows they are not credible. And this is the same media that when Michael was here would have had it as headline news EVERYWHERE. There will always be haters that is just a fact of life. I don't pay attention to them anymore. They are a non factor imo. The positivity with Michael's Xscape and all that the estate is doing will propagate all the good feelings that Michael Jackson made us feel during his lifetime. Anyway that is my two cents. Hope it helps.

 

[czechstar]

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Wade Robson = $$$$$$ grabbing B*stard
Eddie Cascio = $$$$$$ grabbing B*stard

Poor Michael. How can these vile people do these things?

 

[WhoIsIt89]

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For years, we as fans always assumed those people leaving those comments on things like youtube and articles about Michael, were simply the minority, those with nothing better to do...Now all of a sudden they're representing the majority simply because some people feel this rightful lawsuit will harm future album sales? Sony nor anyone else would have to worry about that had they never pulled this stunt in the first place.

Those people are the minority though. Even if they feel Michael wasn't innocent, most people with the average everyday life, aren't going to be spending hours on youtube solely to speak about how guilty Michael was, there's just no time for it. Those people are the minority and I don't know why those types are being shown so much attention lately.

If this does turn out that the Estate willingly promoted fake songs, without full knowledge of whether it was Michael's voice or not? What are the ones who label us "Estate haters" for simply disliking a specific song on an Estate released Michael Jackson album, going to say?

 

[WhoIsIt89]

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The Estate, their experts and MJs collaborators disagree about your viewpoint. Smearing people's name without any proof, should be beyond MJ-fans. Really.

Except, those experts have no names...At least two of Michael's previous collaborators say it's not his voice. One of them, Cory Rooney, stated he was at that supposed "listening session" with those names, and that none of them could unanimously decide that it was Michael's voice. Going as far as to say, that the Estate's statement is a flat out lie. So what are you talking about?


Oh, I see, this is a case of "I'll just disregard every valid point made by those who feel differently than I do, and I'll just believe a statement which mentions essentially no one to contact".

 

[Warszawa320]

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It's ironic that you complain about me being presumptuous, while you say you are positive that this fan has 'financial investors' to support her, which is nothing more than completely unfounded speculation.

My thoughts about the Cascio issue are not just based on 'feelings', they are based on what I hear plus all the contradictory, debunked and/or suspicious explanations Eddie & co have given plus a total lack of proof on their end for their claim that MJ is singing those songs.

I admit that I don't have conclusive evidence. None of us do. That's why I am happy this fan is taking action and hope it will go to trial.

I said I'm almost positive not that I'm positive. So please read more carefully. My speculations regarding her financial supporters are exactly your speculations about Cascio's songs. Anything you believe about it are speculations so far. Because you don't know the facts yet. And I don't mind you are being happy about her action with filling at that time. I personally just hope it won't be pick up by the media too much. And then we will see if she will still have enough funds to support it. I hope that You and some other Michael's fans will offer her financial support in case when she will run out of money.

 

[ivy]

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I don't get why people compare it to Wade & Safechuck, saying how this is at least "better" than accusing MJ of molestation. Just because that's a more severe betrayal doesn't mean that what Eddie did is not a betrayal.

It's betrayal, yes. But there are different levels of betrayal and to put the Cascio songs on the same level as the allegations is simply not acknowldging how utterly horrible those allegations are. And this is not to say fake songs are not bad or not horrible, but it's a different level. These allegations made Michael's life hell since 1993 and I can assure you there are a lot more people in the general public who hate MJ and refuse to listen to his music because they believe the allegations than people who hate him because they think he sings on the Cascio songs.

I wasn't referring to you specifically. And of course the accusations are absolutely horrible and had a horrible impact on Michael himself, as well as the way he is perceived, much more than these songs could ever have. I just don't get why the comparisons are made at all, especially with comments like "I'd rather have fake songs than molestation charges." (again, I'm not saying you made those). Is it too much to ask that we have neither?

SoCav first of all other side have made comparisons as well - claiming cascio songs were worse than molestation accusations so let's not ignore that please.

As for the rest, I'm okay with people seeing these songs as betrayal and being angry with the people involved. However I'm not okay with putting them at a similar level or worse than molestation accusations because that simply minimizes the level of severity of such accusations.

Let me give you a factual information as far as the general public is concerned: Q score is a celebrity likability score calculated since the 60s. Michael's Q score was lowest - extremely negative- after the 2005 trial ended. Michael's Q score was actually the lowest ever for any celebrity over all the time they calculated Q scores. That's how significant such allegations are to the public's perception of Michael. Public is pretty much unaware of the posthumous releases and authenticity / quality issues. For the 3 years after Michael's death his Q score have improved positively so that also shows us as far as the general public goes the Estate posthumous releases didn't have negative effects.

So if you want to be angry to Cascio's be angry at them, see it as a betrayal but let's not minimize what Chandler, Arvizo and now Robson and Safechuck is doing.

 

[WhoIsIt89]

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Another thing, a backstabber is a backstabber. Why is it not fair for Eddie Cascio to be compared to an accuser? Not the entire situation itself, but the individual. If I'm your friend one day and then I go and steal out of your backpack, I'm a backstabber, I'm not your friend. Period.

If I'm your friend and set you up to take a huge fall that will result in years of your life spent in a penitentiary, I'm still a backstabber, and I'm still not your friend.

Bottomline is, Eddie Cascio betrayed his "friend" by making, and promoting songs using an vocal impersonator, and then knowingly sold them to Michael's Estate as Michael Jackson recordings, all for the simple motive of personal profit. Wade Robson spent years defending his "friend" only to ultimately say he abused him, all for the simple motive of personal profit.

One situation entirely worse than the other, however, the two individuals are very comparable. There's no way around that. So I don't see why such a big deal is being made IF the two individuals themselves are being compared.

There's no proof on your side too buddy (apart from your expert ears and your vision of how a true fan should be).

Fan suing she got her evidence wait for the other side to provide what she got and then we'll see as someone suggested here before calm down

Those expert ears and vision has been used to create numerous vocal comparisons, ranging from soundclips to full Youtube videos. Our fan intuition led to internet searches, and discoveries like Jason Malachi's former engineer saying the voice on Breaking News is very recognizable to Jason Malachi's, to name a few. Oddly enough we had a facebook page that up until a certain point was assumed to be a verified, and legit page. That point being when the person finally "fessed up". Websites were taken down, videos were taken down by professional business alias' of Porte & Cascio. All in a seeming effort to just make everything "disappear". The Estate themselves, have said they won't be releasing or promoting anymore of those songs. Why would they say that? Why would they just bury songs made by Michael that can be guaranteed money simply for being amongst the few tracks that Michael actually worked on and completed in the years leading to his untimely passing? There's no reason for them to do that, most of us has heard all 12 of the songs, they're all completed. From the arrangements, to the instrumental layout, to the vocals, they're all complete, why would the Estate back away from these when we know that they seek out mostly completed songs? The fact that they're fully completed is also another little blemish that points to the voice not being Michael as not ONE of the supposed "demos" are consistent with ANY of Michael's previous demo recordings. NONE OF THEM.


Evidence, proof, whatever you'd like to call it. These assumptions are very educated and are based on factual findings. That's much more than the Estate or Eddie Cascio can say.

 

[SoCav]

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^ivy, I don't think either of these issues should be minimized. I think any comparison between the two, no matter in which direction, does tend to minimize one or the other, which is why I don't see the point in doing that.

 

[Warszawa320]

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Another thing, a backstabber is a backstabber. Why is it not fair for Eddie Cascio to be compared to an accuser? Not the entire situation itself, but the individual. If I'm your friend one day and then I go and steal out of your backpack, I'm a backstabber, I'm not your friend. Period.

If I'm your friend and set you up to take a huge fall that will result in years of your life spent in a penitentiary, I'm still a backstabber, and I'm still not your friend.

Bottomline is, Eddie Cascio betrayed his "friend" by making, and promoting songs using an vocal impersonator, and then knowingly sold them to Michael's Estate as Michael Jackson recordings, all for the simple motive of personal profit. Wade Robson spent years defending his "friend" only to ultimately say he abused him, all for the simple motive of personal profit.

One situation entirely worse than the other, however, the two individuals are very comparable. There's no way around that nor should it be swept under the rug as if it isn't true.

And there is no way you will feel different about Cascio even if he would win the court case? Am I right about it? So why to criticize any person who does not believe in Michael Jackson innocence even if presented in court facts proved it. As I stated before it's just a massive hypocrisy around MJ's fandom.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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if u cant see the difference of levels in backstabbing between creating false songs and accusing someone of rape and abuse then imo ppl have lost sense of reality because of how obsessed they are over a subject.personally frank writing a tell all and betraying mjs privacy and totally disrespecting him is worse than fake songs but certainly not worse than frank doing a wade. if ppl cant see the difference they really need to take the blinkers off

Another thing, a backstabber is a backstabber. Why is it not fair for Eddie Cascio to be compared to an accuser? Not the entire situation itself, but the individual. If I'm your friend one day and then I go and steal out of your backpack, I'm a backstabber, I'm not your friend. Period.

If I'm your friend and set you up to take a huge fall that will result in years of your life spent in a penitentiary, I'm still a backstabber, and I'm still not your friend.

Bottomline is, Eddie Cascio betrayed his "friend" by making, and promoting songs using an vocal impersonator, and then knowingly sold them to Michael's Estate as Michael Jackson recordings, all for the simple motive of personal profit. Wade Robson spent years defending his "friend" only to ultimately say he abused him, all for the simple motive of personal profit.

One situation entirely worse than the other, however, the two individuals are very comparable. There's no way around that. So I don't see why such a big deal is being made IF the two individuals themselves are being compared.




Those expert ears and vision has been used to create numerous vocal comparisons, ranging from soundclips to full Youtube videos. Our fan intuition led to internet searches, and discoveries like Jason Malachi's former engineer saying the voice on Breaking News is very recognizable to Jason Malachi's, to name a few. Oddly enough we had a facebook page that up until a certain point was assumed to be a verified, and legit page. That point being when the person finally "fessed up". Websites were taken down, videos were taken down by professional business alias' of Porte & Cascio. All in a seeming effort to just make everything "disappear". The Estate themselves, have said they won't be releasing or promoting anymore of those songs. Why would they say that? Why would they just bury songs made by Michael that can be guaranteed money simply for being amongst the few tracks that Michael actually worked on and completed in the years leading to his untimely passing? There's no reason for them to do that, most of us has heard all 12 of the songs, they're all completed. From the arrangements, to the instrumental layout, to the vocals, they're all complete, why would the Estate back away from these when we know that they seek out mostly completed songs? The fact that they're fully completed is also another little blemish that points to the voice not being Michael as not ONE of the supposed "demos" are consistent with ANY of Michael's previous demo recordings. NONE OF THEM.


Evidence, proof, whatever you'd like to call it. These assumptions are very educated and are based on factual findings. That's much more than the Estate or Eddie Cascio can say.

 

[WhoIsIt89]

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They believed it was MJs vocals. How they formulated it surely won't reverse your position on this matter. What do you "know" about Bruce Swedien? I'm curious.

Except neither of them has actually come out and said that, outside of what the Estate said in their statement.

 

[WhoIsIt89]

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if u cant see the difference of levels in backstabbing between creating false songs and accusing someone of rape and abuse then imo ppl have lost sense of reality because of how obsessed they are over a subject.personally frank writing a tell all and betraying mjs privacy and totally disrespecting him is worse than fake songs but certainly not worse than frank doing a wade. if ppl cant see the difference they really need to take the blinkers off

Yet, I clearly mentioned in that post the obvious difference in the situations themselves. The situations cannot reasonably be compared. For the people saying "This is just like what the Arvizo's did", I get that, I clearly stated that. Yet the two individuals are very comparable, they both betrayed Michael for profit. They're both backstabbers. THE INDIVIDUALS, NOT THE SITUATIONS, ARE VERY COMPARABLE. As in they both betrayed Michael for personal gain. A betrayal is a betrayal, regardless of the scale.

Idk what Franks book has to do with anything as I never said anything about Frank. Frank did betray Michael's privacy, so did Rabbi Schumley and nearly every other person whose written a book about Michael. We get that.

And there is no way you will feel different about Cascio even if he would win the court case? Am I right about it? So why to criticize any person who does not believe in Michael Jackson innocence even if presented in court facts proved it. As I stated before it's just a massive hypocrisy around MJ's fandom.

I don't think you've been right about anything you said so far. If it turns out Michael actually recorded these songs with Eddie Cascio and the voice we hear is his, I'd gladly admit my wrongs. I've done it on this forum before, there's no reason why I wouldn't do it again. Stop assuming you know anything about me.

 

[speechlesslove4michael]

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Actually thinking more and more about this I am more worried this is going to harm future rel.

Exactly because the general public will question after this whether every song is Michael or not. This will be disastrous for future sales

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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I mentioned frank because he betrayed mj aswell. but not on the same level as if he did a wade. there are different levels of backstabbing. frank worse than eddie and wade worse than frank

 

[Birchey]

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Exactly because the general public will question after this whether every song is Michael or not. This will be disastrous for future sales

The Estate made their bed, they can sleep in it, if this case doesn't go their way then they gonna need more than demos on future releases. If this means we get more actual Michael on releases, I.E More Demos, Handwritten notes in album sleeve, studio pictures/video etc then its win win.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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i doubt they will know or care. The fake songs came up when michael was released and it didnt stop xscape doing well. If mj managed to be loved by millions and ppl bought his music after all the allegations then i doubt this will make much difference

Exactly because the general public will question after this whether every song is Michael or not. This will be disastrous for future sales

 

[WhoIsIt89]

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Well, they're all backstabbers are they not? Regardless, the individuals based on their actions are comparable to one another. Again, not the situations, but the individuals.


And people actually criticized Frank too when it was actually relevant. When the news of his book made a thread in this very section, myself and numerous others were in that thread questioning his intentions. So just because someone wants to see justice and doesn't think too fondly of Eddie Cascio and what he did, doesn't mean we have no qualms with Frank for his book.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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Well, they're all backstabbers are they not? Regardless, the individuals based on their actions are comparable to one another. Again, not the situations, but the
individuals.*----

we will have to agree to disagree. to me the individual and the situation is the same thing. ie different levels of backstabbing.

not saying u supported franks book or not. i have no idea of your opinion on that. just using it as an example of different levrls of backstabbing

 

[speechlesslove4michael]

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I love how everyone thinks Eddie was a betrayer to Michael but noone has a problem with Frank's book because they love reading his betrayal of Michael's secrets and confidences. God this forum is full of a bunch of hypocrites

 

[speechlesslove4michael]

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The Estate made their bed, they can sleep in it, if this case doesn't go their way then they gonna need more than demos on future releases. If this means we get more actual Michael on releases, I.E More Demos, Handwritten notes in album sleeve, studio pictures/video etc then its win win.

Yeah because it's totally ok for that to happen when it means that will go against Michael's legacy on how well future albums sell. Smart thinking that one

 

[Birchey]

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Yeah because it's totally ok for that to happen when it means that will go against Michael's legacy on how well future albums sell. Smart thinking that one

Well you kinda summed it up there, the "Legacy" is what Michael left, you are also talking about how its treated and as I said if this case shows the fraud then it is them who have damaged Michaels "legacy". Like I said you make your bed you sleep in it, this isn't Michael we are talking about, its a bunch of guys responsible for ensuring his brand is well looked after, if they have failed to do that, they will have to gain trust back with the fans/public.

 

[serendipity]

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So she heard the songs and still went and bought the album?? And now 4 years later she suddenly wants her money back..... ummm don't see this going anywhere.

 

[MusicMan26]

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It isn't about "wanting money back".

 

[Virre]

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Except, those experts have no names...At least two of Michael's previous collaborators say it's not his voice. One of them, Cory Rooney, stated he was at that supposed "listening session" with those names, and that none of them could unanimously decide that it was Michael's voice. Going as far as to say, that the Estate's statement is a flat out lie. So what are you talking about?


Oh, I see, this is a case of "I'll just disregard every valid point made by those who feel differently than I do, and I'll just believe a statement which mentions essentially no one to contact".

And Brad Sundberg. (I know.. he had nothing to do with the Michael album though)

 

[LastTear]

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If this court case is successful then would proven dishonesty, incompetence etc be enough to overthrow the executors? I'm just considering the bigger picture here.

 

[Birchey]

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If this court case is successful then would proven dishonesty, incompetence etc be enough to overthrow the executors? I'm just considering the bigger picture here.

No they will simply Blame the Cascios, whichever way you go at it, go for Sony, they will deflect too. A friend of mine checked the possibility of doing this a couple years back and was told the same strategy, go for the source.

 

[LastTear]

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No they will simply Blame the Cascios, whichever way you go at it, go for Sony, they will deflect too. A friend of mine checked the possibility of doing this a couple years back and was told the same strategy, go for the source.

Hypothetically they can shift blame but surely not for their incompetence (if proven)? The buck does stop with them. It's bad enough right now with the portion of the fan base and Jackson family who are anti estate - if this case was successful it would become an untenable situation IMO.

I keep an open mind regarding the whole fake tracks but I am an 'estate supporter' (another label lol) so as I said I am also concerned at the bigger picture here.

Birchey, if these are proven fake vocals would you ever consider that in fact the executors were actually legitimately duped, or are you certain that they were actively involved in the alleged fraud?

 

[OnirMJ]

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Well, they're all backstabbers are they not? Regardless, the individuals based on their actions are comparable to one another. Again, not the situations, but the individuals.

Exactly my point!

 

[Birchey]

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Birchey, if these are proven fake vocals would you ever consider that in fact the executors were actually legitimately duped, or are you certain that they were actively involved in the alleged fraud?

I believe with a massive amount of demos, in the 100s, which contained little to no vocals, and at a time when there was still a massive amount of missing audio/video from the "Archives" 12 full ready to go MJ songs, was a blessing and might have made someones business head takeover. I know from people inside that meeting Weitzman speaks of that when it came to a close, the tracks were off the cards. It doesn't matter to me who else knows that at the moment or if I get accused of making stuff up, I will say now this information will come out and I stand by my word 1000%. I feel for the Estate I feel a rash decision was made and Branca does regret that decision and its common knowledge amongst fans who researched this that he does really regret it, whether thats personal or from a business stand point I don't know.