Estate, Cascio and Porte Sued Over Three Songs on the "Michael" Album - Vera Senova Class Action

[OnirMJ]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Those "bastards" were close and loyal friends of Michael for almost 25 years, as well as praising him non-stop since his death. Nice that you have perspective on things, though...

So was Wade Robson. Money is powerful thing to change people.

 

[HIStory]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

So was Wade Robson. Money is powerful thing to change people.

Regardless of what we think of these songs there is no comparation to what Wade Robson and James Safechuck pulled. That's just the lowest thing someone can do. No need to put the Cascios on the same level because they are not.

 

[OnirMJ]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Well, their way of exploiting that friendship was much better than that of Chandlers, Arvizos and Robsons. Nevertheless, they did exploit that friendship.

In my opinion it is the same and even worse. Cascios attacked Michael on professional level. They put a huge stain on his perfect discography. He was such a perfectionist when it comes to his music. That was something that was always pure. And they attacked there.

 

[OnirMJ]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Regardless of what we think of these songs there is no comparation to what Wade Robson and James Safechuck pulled. That's just the lowest thing someone can do. No need to put the Cascios on the same level because they are not.

They are all the same. "They'll do anything for money".

 

[HIStory]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

They are all the same. "They'll do anything for money".

Accusing MJ of the most henious crime is a lot worse. You do not live in the real world if you think in the eyes of the general public the Cascio songs cause MJ nearly as much harm as the allegations. When people argue against MJ they do not say, "you know I did not like Breaking News, that's why I hate him". They will use the allegations against him. Most do not even know about the Cascio songs. It's only a big deal in the fan community. The allegations on the other hand - they have caused and continue to cause the greatest harm to MJ's legacy.

 

[ivy]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

in the eyes of the general public the Cascio songs cause MJ nearly as much harm as the allegations

general public aren't even aware of the Cascio songs and/or Michael album.

a month ago I asked a group of 18-20 year old nonfans what they know about Michael and if they knew his discography. They can only name Thriller and Bad. They do not even know Dangerous or History or Invincible. They have absolutely no idea of Michael album or Cascio songs. Cascio songs only cause harm in the fan community. (and yes the allegations and changing looks are the topics they brought up.)

 

[OnirMJ]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

general public aren't even aware of the Cascio songs and/or Michael album.

That is the problem. This trial will help make people aware of this fraud.

 

[ivy]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

That is the problem. This trial will help make people aware of this fraud.

It won't. Public are interested "juicy" details of gossip directly about the celebrities themselves. The same group of 18-20 yr olds also had no idea about any details of 2005 trial, they only knew Murray was sent to prison but had no idea about how/why and so on. General public won't follow or pay attention against a lawsuit filed against people they know nothing about - Branca, Cascio, Porte or corporations(Sony) that they don't care about.

 

[Warszawa320]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Accusing MJ of the most henious crime is a lot worse. You do not live in the real world if you think in the eyes of the general public the Cascio songs cause MJ nearly as much harm as the allegations. When people argue against MJ they do not say, "you know I did not like Breaking News, that's why I hate him". They will use the allegations against him. Most do not even know about the Cascio songs. It's only a big deal in the fan community. The allegations on the other hand - they have caused and continue to cause the greatest harm to MJ's legacy.

But unfortunately he is not able to understand it because as you mentioned above he doesn't live in the real world. And this is what I'm worry about the most. I really don't want MJ's fans to be called delusional.

 

[Warszawa320]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

That is the problem. This trial will help make people aware of this fraud.

Please stop with your delusion already. This kind of view can't be called nothing else than this.

 

[Warszawa320]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

In my opinion it is the same and even worse. Cascios attacked Michael on professional level. They put a huge stain on his perfect discography. He was such a perfectionist when it comes to his music. That was something that was always pure. And they attacked there.

It's really very embarrassing for anyone to say something like this. I feel really sorry for you. It's beyond any comprehension to even trying to understand your way of thinking. I think that even young children would know the difference...

 

[Koopa Troopa]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

So was Wade Robson. Money is powerful thing to change people.

None of the Cascio's have alleged that MJ did anything wrong to them. On the contrary, they insist that he was and is innocent. To compare Cascio and Robson is nonsensical, as well as bringing disservice to your cause.

 

[Koopa Troopa]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

In my opinion it is the same and even worse. Cascios attacked Michael on professional level. They put a huge stain on his perfect discography. He was such a perfectionist when it comes to his music. That was something that was always pure. And they attacked there.

Alleged fake songs are worse than alleged child molestations? Good grief.

 

[SoCav]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I don't get why people compare it to Wade & Safechuck, saying how this is at least "better" than accusing MJ of molestation. Just because that's a more severe betrayal doesn't mean that what Eddie did is not a betrayal. I know that as MJ fans we've gotten used to people screwing MJ over, but that doesn't mean we should start rationalizing or accepting everything that is not as severe as accusing MJ of molestation.

These fake tracks being a part of MJ's official discography is a disgrace. His music was everything to Michael. "The creator will go, but his work survives. That's why to escape death, I attempt to bind my soul to my work." And that's exactly what he did.

I think what happened is terrible for many reasons. But especially when I take into account how MJ cared deeply about his work, I really have trouble understanding how some fans can believe these tracks are fake but not care about this issue being resolved.

 

[jjason782]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

So if she wins what kind of pain in the but will it be for me to collect mymyfew dollars? Well it was worth the money just to hear behind the mask alone. I say if she wins send the money to charity.we should contact that fan and tell her the winnings should go to charity!

 

[MusicMan26]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

That's great that this is finally happening!

However, I wouldn't want my money back. Instead, I would want the songs erased from his discography and from any future pressings of "Michael". They wouldn't have to replace them with anything, just get rid of them. And why is Sony off the hook in all of this?

Edit: Never mind - I just noticed Sony is included in the lawsuit.

 

[Koopa Troopa]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I don't get why people compare it to Wade & Safechuck, saying how this is at least "better" than accusing MJ of molestation. Just because that's a more severe betrayal doesn't mean that what Eddie did is not a betrayal. I know that as MJ fans we've gotten used to people screwing MJ over, but that doesn't mean we should start rationalizing or accepting everything that is not as severe as accusing MJ of molestation.

These fake tracks being a part of MJ's official discography is a disgrace. His music was everything to Michael. "The creator will go, but his work survives. That's why to escape death, I attempt to bind my soul to my work." And that's exactly what he did.

I think what happened is terrible for many reasons. But especially when I take into account how MJ cared deeply about his work, I really have trouble understanding how some fans can believe these tracks are fake but not care about this issue being resolved.

The Estate, their experts and MJs collaborators disagree about your viewpoint. Smearing people's name without any proof, should be beyond MJ-fans. Really.

 

[lotrmj]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I am so happy this is happening!! These tracks are definitely fake and people behind this big lie should pay for what they did!

 

[donalb]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

It won't. Public are interested "juicy" details of gossip directly about the celebrities themselves. The same group of 18-20 yr olds also had no idea about any details of 2005 trial, they only knew Murray was sent to prison but had no idea about how/why and so on. General public won't follow or pay attention against a lawsuit filed against people they know nothing about - Branca, Cascio, Porte or corporations(Sony) that they don't care about.

I fully agree with you. But if the lawsuit is successful and it is determined that the songs are fake, this could really harm any future releases that are planned. Even people who do not follow the trial, may very well be aware of the outcome and will just write off any further productions going forward

 

[OnirMJ]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Smearing people's name without any proof, should be beyond MJ-fans. Really.

Without any proof??? 12 songs = 12 proofs! Every word in every sentence in every song that that guy is singing is a proof.

 

[donalb]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Accusing MJ of the most henious crime is a lot worse. You do not live in the real world if you think in the eyes of the general public the Cascio songs cause MJ nearly as much harm as the allegations. When people argue against MJ they do not say, "you know I did not like Breaking News, that's why I hate him". They will use the allegations against him. Most do not even know about the Cascio songs. It's only a big deal in the fan community. The allegations on the other hand - they have caused and continue to cause the greatest harm to MJ's legacy.

Couldn't agree more with your post. Very well said. Indeed, the allegations continue to threaten his legacy with the general public. After reading a recent article about Michael concerning whether or not he would have been a positive influence on Justine Bieber, I was shocked by the number of negative comments and references to the past allegations. Unfortunately, it seems that quite a lot of people have already made up their minds about this issue even without having all of the facts. I am hoping that time will change this but we will have to wait and see.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Its ridiculous to try and put fake song allegations on the same level or above robson. its irrational to say the least and takes away from the argument

 

[HIStory]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I don't get why people compare it to Wade & Safechuck, saying how this is at least "better" than accusing MJ of molestation. Just because that's a more severe betrayal doesn't mean that what Eddie did is not a betrayal. I know that as MJ fans we've gotten used to people screwing MJ over, but that doesn't mean we should start rationalizing or accepting everything that is not as severe as accusing MJ of molestation.

These fake tracks being a part of MJ's official discography is a disgrace. His music was everything to Michael. "The creator will go, but his work survives. That's why to escape death, I attempt to bind my soul to my work." And that's exactly what he did.

I think what happened is terrible for many reasons. But especially when I take into account how MJ cared deeply about his work, I really have trouble understanding how some fans can believe these tracks are fake but not care about this issue being resolved.

It's not "accepting everything". I did not say I accept it if the songs are fake. It's betrayal, yes. But there are different levels of betrayal and to put the Cascio songs on the same level as the allegations is simply not acknowldging how utterly horrible those allegations are. And this is not to say fake songs are not bad or not horrible, but it's a different level. These allegations made Michael's life hell since 1993 and I can assure you there are a lot more people in the general public who hate MJ and refuse to listen to his music because they believe the allegations than people who hate him because they think he sings on the Cascio songs. What is the worst case scenario with the Cascio songs? That some people out there think they are Michael and they sound horrible. At worst they would think MJ had a terrible period somewhere in the fall of 2007. It's no big deal for most people. That they think he was a child molester however is a big deal.

For the record: I do not believe the Cascio songs are Michael and I'm all for getting to the bottom of this. But those fans who think this is a more important issue and a bigger threat to MJ's legacy than the allegations have totally lost perspetice of the surrounding world in their little bubble of MJ fandom, IMO. Outside of the fandom this is a non-issue. The allegations aren't.

 

[Warszawa320]

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Without any proof??? 12 songs = 12 proofs! Every word in every sentence in every song that that guy is singing is a proof.

It's your opinion so far and nothing else. Right now your accusations are only the accusations. Nothing else. Exactly the same way Michael was accused with child molestation. You can not even compare two of them, still you offense people the same way as Michael was offended. Congratulation. I would love to use more harsh words to describe your consciousness, maturity and state of mind but I don't want to be banned from the forum.

 

[OnirMJ]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

It's your opinion so far and nothing else. Right now your accusations are only the accusations. Nothing else. Exactly the same way Michael was accused with child molestation. You can not even compare two of them, still you offense people the same way as Michael was offended. Congratulation. I would love to use more harsh words to describe your consciousness, maturity and state of mind but I don't want to be banned from the forum.

I'm offending people who should be offended because of the things they've done to Michael. You are offending Michael Jackson by believing those amateur poorly sung songs are his work.

Also Cascios, Wade and others.. the thing is completely different but the level of betrayal is the same or even worse. That's what I meant. Betrayal. Of course that false sex allegations are more serious and damaging, but that is the problem with the world, not with Michael. Every normal person should not believe in that crap.

 

[SoCav]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

It's not "accepting everything". I did not say I accept it if the songs are fake. It's betrayal, yes. But there are different levels of betrayal and to put the Cascio songs on the same level as the allegations is simply not acknowldging how utterly horrible those allegations are. And this is not to say fake songs are not bad or not horrible, but it's a different level. These allegations made Michael's life hell since 1993 and I can assure you there are a lot more people in the general public who hate MJ and refuse to listen to his music because they believe the allegations than people who hate him because they think he sings on the Cascio songs. What is the worst case scenario with the Cascio songs? That some people out there think they are Michael and they sound horrible. At worst they would think MJ had a terrible period somewhere in the fall of 2007. It's no big deal for most people. That they think he was a child molester however is a big deal.

I wasn't referring to you specifically. And of course the accusations are absolutely horrible and had a horrible impact on Michael himself, as well as the way he is perceived, much more than these songs could ever have. I just don't get why the comparisons are made at all, especially with comments like "I'd rather have fake songs than molestation charges." (again, I'm not saying you made those). Is it too much to ask that we have neither? Have we gotten so used to horrible things happening to MJ that some fans do not see fake songs being released as official MJ songs as a big deal anymore? It's just a saddening observation, really.

As for the general public not caring about the Cascio songs, I also think that doesn't really matter. Just because they don't doesn't mean that fans shouldn't. They don't appreciate MJ as the amazing singer that he was. We should. They don't know how MJ lived for his work. We do. A crappy impersonator being passed off as one of the greatest vocalists of all time? These fake tracks going down in history as part of MJ's canon? Absolultely unacceptable.

 

[Warszawa320]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I don't get why people compare it to Wade & Safechuck, saying how this is at least "better" than accusing MJ of molestation. Just because that's a more severe betrayal doesn't mean that what Eddie did is not a betrayal. I know that as MJ fans we've gotten used to people screwing MJ over, but that doesn't mean we should start rationalizing or accepting everything that is not as severe as accusing MJ of molestation.

These fake tracks being a part of MJ's official discography is a disgrace. His music was everything to Michael. "The creator will go, but his work survives. That's why to escape death, I attempt to bind my soul to my work." And that's exactly what he did.

I think what happened is terrible for many reasons. But especially when I take into account how MJ cared deeply about his work, I really have trouble understanding how some fans can believe these tracks are fake but not care about this issue being resolved.

Who said the issue should not be resolved. I've always promoted that kind of lawsuit so I would be very happy about it at the different time. Right now it looks very fake and I'm almost positive that in few months it will be dismissed because the source who is backing it financially now won't be interested in investing their funds longer. It would look more serious when filled at different time. Still until the issue is resolved by the court or in different way there are only the accusations and opinions. So I never state that someone committed the crime using only an opinions as the facts. For me it feels exactly the same way as Michael was accused with committing the horrendous crime. And you are doing it to people using your feelings instead of waiting for the facts. It is a massive hypocrisy on your part. You like it so enjoy it. However I don't believe Michael Jackson would appreciate and be happy about your approach to this issue. Of course I know who is happy about it but their morale are low too. That's it.

 

[donalb]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I'm offending people who should be offended because of the things they've done to Michael. You are offending Michael Jackson by believing those amateur poorly sung songs are his work.

Also Cascios, Wade and others.. the thing is completely different but the level of betrayal is the same or even worse. That's what I meant. Betrayal. Of course that false sex allegations are more serious and damaging, but that is the problem with the world, not with Michael. Every normal person should not believe in that crap.

OnijMJ - First of all, I know you are a HUGE Michael Jackson fan and supporter. I always appreciate your enthusiasm and have thanked countless numbers of your posts. I am also glad to read here that you acknowledge that allegations are more serious and damaging than these fake songs. FYI, I also believe the songs are not authentic. However, I also wanted to point out just how damaging these allegations have been to Michael's legacy especially in the US market. Having lived in both the US and Europe, I can definitely see the difference. In the US, all of the allegations and trials were BIG news that were constantly reported on and discussed. In fact, some tv\radio stations covered the trial every day during its duration. Regarding the first allegations, many stations interrupted regular coverage to broadcast Michael's press statement. I'm not sure about the coverage in Croatia but I can tell you that all of these allegations and trials have really hurt Michael's brand in the US. These fake songs are not at all on the same scale

 

[tricia70]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

general public aren't even aware of the Cascio songs and/or Michael album.

a month ago I asked a group of 18-20 year old nonfans what they know about Michael and if they knew his discography. They can only name Thriller and Bad. They do not even know Dangerous or History or Invincible. They have absolutely no idea of Michael album or Cascio songs. Cascio songs only cause harm in the fan community. (and yes the allegations and changing looks are the topics they brought up.)

Agree. The general public which comprises 95% more or less of the population aren't aware of the Cascio tracks or fake anything. Only hard core fans in these types of forums are aware of this. And personally I am glad. There is no need to bring this up and stir things up to bring more negativity to Michael even though it is not his fault of course. But no matter it is related to his him one way or another. I think Michael has had enough controversies in his lifetime why continue it after he is gone.

For proof, I checked everywhere for any stories on this and found nothing, zilch. Even TMZ who originally reported it has buried it. So to sum it up this is a non-story as it should be imo.

Let's keep it under the radar and let the chips fall where they may. I hope for the sake of all those passionate fans that are so invested in these Cascio songs there is absolute closure whether they are fake or not. I personally would like to have closure only for the sake of these fans and in general for the Michael Jackson fans period.

I am happy this is not a story because I would hate for it to somehow mar the Brilliant Xscape album. This is were the focus should be right now. This album has brought us back together, even though we have differing opinions regarding the old and new versions 100% of us are in full agreement that these songs are 100% Michael vocals and that his performance in all of them IS BRILLIANT!

 

[SoCav]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Who said the issue should not be resolved. I've always promoted that kind of lawsuit so I would be very happy about it at the different time. Right now it looks very fake and I'm almost positive that in few months it will be dismissed because the source who is backing it financially now won't be interested in investing their funds longer. It would look more serious when filled at different time. Still until the issue is resolved by the court or in different way there are only the accusations and opinions. So I never state that someone committed the crime using only an opinions as the facts. For me it feels exactly the same way as Michael was accused with committing the horrendous crime. And you are doing it to people using your feelings instead of waiting for the facts. It is a massive hypocrisy on your part. You like it so enjoy it. However I don't believe Michael Jackson would appreciate and be happy about your approach to this issue. Of course I know who is happy about it but their morale are low too. That's it.

It's ironic that you complain about me being presumptuous, while you say you are positive that this fan has 'financial investors' to support her, which is nothing more than completely unfounded speculation.

My thoughts about the Cascio issue are not just based on 'feelings', they are based on what I hear plus all the contradictory, debunked and/or suspicious explanations Eddie & co have given plus a total lack of proof on their end for their claim that MJ is singing those songs.

I admit that I don't have conclusive evidence. None of us do. That's why I am happy this fan is taking action and hope it will go to trial.