[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[HIStory]

MJEstate responds to Radar Online salacious false Neverland story

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[FONT=&amp]"Michael Jackson was found innocent in a court of law.

That carries more weight than anything published by a sensationalist tabloid that regularly publishes untruths.

If the Estate were to publish a statement denouncing these tired articles every time they appear, it would not only generate MORE attention and news for the malicious information, but it would do nothing to stop future articles coming out whenever a publication like RadarOnline needs more traffic.

In fact, the outraged response that sites like RadarOnline elicits from publishing these articles is exactly why they post them; they are in the business of selling eyeballs to advertisers. The advertisers do not care if Michael’s fans are angry, as long as they are clicking on the articles.

Libel and slander laws do not extend to the deceased, so there is not actually an “appropriate” action that the Estate can encourage the fans to take except to ignore these articles and stop clicking on them. The only thing that will be effective is to deprive the publishers of their advertising dollars."

MJOnline Team [/FONT]

Not a very strong response. This time it is not enough to ignore. You have to at least point out that all the material was presented to court in 2005 in and the jury saw them. You have to point out nothing was illegal and there was no child porn found. You have to point out these are art books readily available in book stores, libraries and Amazon. You have to point out MJ was an avid collector of art photo books and these were found in that context. You have to point out that RadarOnline now sensationalizes their content with salacious and untrue claims that not even the prosecution claimed.

 

[innuendo141]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So the Estate don't think its worth attacking properly?

Quickly, someone get Timbaland to edit the articles and shit stories. That'll get those morons working. What I'm reading on twitter is a bunch of absolute sheep believing this tripe- the EXACT demographic they aim to sell horseh1t like Xscape to.

Get your ****1NG priorities right, MJ Estate you owe the man a HELL of a lot more than you think you do considering how things have gone since his death. Do this one thing right for Christs sake. I never get caught up in these stupid stories but the absolute cockiness of those two clowns in this situation is sickening.

Put MJ first for a change, and not the money coloured silhouette you only see.

Absolute morons.

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So the estate is telling you all stop commenting on such articles and let the public be swayed by the accusers. At this point the estate cares less about mj's reputation and they expect us to be ok with that! How much did Branca make of selling ATV catalogue? Definitely much more than he has made so far of selling mj's music, that's why they do not care. The big $$$ are already made and everything he is getting from the MJ name is nothing but a welcomed plus. His pockets are not hurting and anyone who says otherwise is delusional.

 

[la_cienega]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Where is this "animal torture" stuff even coming from? Like... wtf? Just invented bullshit?

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Shame the estate are to lazy to put out a rebutal. They shouldnt have to be asked.

Tell a lie often enough.......

Even the Santa Barbara Sheriff's Department did more rebuttal here than the Estate (well, they at least pointed out that some of that document is not from their original documents but someone else's addition). So sad that they never give a damn about MJ in situations like this. It's not a matter of let's not react because it will only give it more attention now. The attention is already there no matter what. It's trending everywhere and it's getting into mainstream news being reported as "fact" for god's sake.

 

[KOPV]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'm sorry but I generally am for ignoring to not bring attention.. but this is a huge vicious attack by Radar, to ignore is to lay down in this regard.. you google Michaels name, it's all that is trending in news.. Pisses me off.. and the comments I read.. "duh", "This is a surprise to anyone?" ...

I'm sorry but it's ironic how RAPED Michaels legacy gets and the estate just takes it like trained pups.. Radar is making a huge fake claim, they should at the very least sue there @$$...

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

But are we even sure they believe in mj's innocence? Weizmann told the media in 2003 that he "chose to believe" Mj did not do those acts but he was not sure. These guys want to protect the money not mj's reputation.

 

[Bad7]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Where is this "animal torture" stuff even coming from? Like... wtf? Just invented bullshit?

I've yet to fully read the PDF as I was mainly interested in this and the supposed child torture. I saw nothing yet and respect responded to me when I asked a similar question to yours:

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...tate/page902?p=4152721&viewfull=1#post4152721

It appears to be nonsense. However, most are unlikely to read the full PDF, which these media sites know, so they'll just say anything.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Where is this "animal torture" stuff even coming from? Like... wtf? Just invented bullshit?

Yes. I have never seen animal torture in any of the books. I am sure they are twisting something.

It's ridiculous. Just the whole wording "manipulative, sex-crazed...", just a totally ugly character assassination. I am sure Robson and his lawyers are behind this. It also shows that their own case is weak, so they try to stir up some sort of prejudice against MJ.

 

[innuendo141]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Does the Estate realise that US not clicking on the articles will do fock all? We arent the ones clicking in the first place!

So we are expected to sit idly by while our twitter feeds fill up with sh1t that is best left unchallenged because it will only draw attention to it?

Newsflash- damage is being done. For every person who reads it that comes out of it with a different opinion of Michael Jackson, you have denied Michael a fair chance.

The majority of these morons who are beleiving this would twice as fast believe a statement from the estate, because all they are are 21st century social media morons. The EXACT people who you expect to like and retweet these bland statuses and buy these contemporised projects.

Jesus christ i dont remember the last time i was this angry. Its absolute character assassination.

But hey, its ok guys! Just ignore it, it will go away and no damage will be done! And we can just live happily in this cycle!!!!

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Does the Estate realise that US not clicking on the articles will do fock all? We arent the ones clicking in the first place!

So we are expected to sit idly by while our twitter feeds fill up with sh1t that is best left unchallenged because it will only draw attention to it?

Newsflash- damage is being done. For every person who reads it that comes out of it with a different opinion of Michael Jackson, you have denied Michael a fair chance.

The majority of these morons who are beleiving this would twice as fast believe a statement from the estate, because all they are are 21st century social media morons. The EXACT people who you expect to like and retweet these bland statuses and buy these contemporised projects.

Jesus christ i dont remember the last time i was this angry. Its absolute character assassination.

But hey, its ok guys! Just ignore it, it will go away and no damage will be done! And we can just live happily in this cycle!!!!

I share your sentiment. The Estate's passivity in matters like this is disastrous.

BTW, I wonder how all these artists are feeling about their art now being called "child porn" by the world wide media. Like this guy, Simen Johan, who is the author of Room to Play:

Simen Johan is a 2012 recipient of the Howard Foundation Grant. A graduate of the School of Visual Art, NY and Lugnetskolan, in Falun, Sweden, he has shown at the Museum of Art and Design, NY; the Brooklyn Museum of Art; and the DeCordova Museum and Sculpture Park, Lincoln, MA, among other institutions.

https://www.brown.edu/campus-life/arts/bell-gallery/exhibitions/simen-johan-until-kingdom-comes

It's actually an attrocity against them too. Since if MJ kept "child porn" by having such books then the people who made the book are "child pornographers". Would Radar Online dare to claim it? Maybe we should get some of these photographers sue Radar for slander.

 

[LindavG]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It's so unfair. So, so unfair. I can't even put it into words. I genuinely fear that Michael's image is forever tarnished. Everything he worked so hard for all his life, gone. That's what he wanted more than anything, to be respected as an artist and as a person. He craved the public's approval to his own detriment sometimes. But no person can survive the constant barrage of hate and ridicule that Michael gets. It doesn't matter how devoted we are as fans, in the end it will be "common knowledge" that MJ was a pervert and we will be the delusional ones for defending him. I literally get sick to my stomach whenever I see his name on a news site because I'm afraid it will be another made up scandal, another shovel of dirt on his legacy until the truth is completely buried.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It's so unfair. So, so unfair. I can't even put it into words. I genuinely fear that Michael's image is forever tarnished. Everything he worked so hard for all his life, gone. That's what he wanted more than anything, to be respected as an artist and as a person. He craved the public's approval to his own detriment sometimes. But no person can survive the constant barrage of hate and ridicule that Michael gets. It doesn't matter how devoted we are as fans, in the end it will be "common knowledge" that MJ was a pervert and we will be the delusional ones for defending him. I literally get sick to my stomach whenever I see his name on a news site because I'm afraid it will be another made up scandal, another shovel of dirt on his legacy until the truth is completely buried.

Michael's story is literaly a cautionary tale for why NOT to be nice, caring and good to people. They will turn around and stab you in the back eventually if that's what their interest and if they sense you are defenseless. Sociopaths are doing better in this world than good people.

The good news is maybe that I don't think his music will be affected by it. Not any more. I know someone said earlier this thread that on some forum people said they would never listen to his music any more, but I think few will actually stop listening to his music because of this. I have seen comments that said they believe this nonsense but his music is still good. And when I look at record sales, Sotify, YouTube I don't think the popularity of his music has ever been affected by any of the nonsense. It never was when Robson or Safechuck came out with their allegations, never was when the FBI files lie of the Mirror did the same rounds as this story now. It's been constantly going up, actually: https://www.youtube.com/yt/artists/insights-artist.html?artist=/m/09889g&name=Michael Jackson

Of course, MJ doesn't deserve this as a person either. I wish people weren't so gullible, so easily manipulated but they are unfortunately.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It's so unfair. So, so unfair. I can't even put it into words. I genuinely fear that Michael's image is forever tarnished. Everything he worked so hard for all his life, gone. That's what he wanted more than anything, to be respected as an artist and as a person. He craved the public's approval to his own detriment sometimes. But no person can survive the constant barrage of hate and ridicule that Michael gets. It doesn't matter how devoted we are as fans, in the end it will be "common knowledge" that MJ was a pervert and we will be the delusional ones for defending him. I literally get sick to my stomach whenever I see his name on a news site because I'm afraid it will be another made up scandal, another shovel of dirt on his legacy until the truth is completely buried.

Pictures and footage of Mike while visiting sick children are just always so good to see, you just see right there that this person was nothing but kindness, nothing but a good soul.

I mentioned that on the other forum, i told them to watch footage of MJ visiting children in hospitals and the replies i got were...''molesters could be anyone. You just described Andy Seville right there.'' i have no idea who that is, or if i spelled it wrong maybe but it seems no matter what you say...some of these people will always have something back to say to you. In their eyes MJ just could not have been innocent.

It was truly shocking to see the shocking replies on the other forum, if i didn't know any better,based on those comments there i would think i was reading about a convicted child abuser who in addition to that loved animal torture and other sick things. People were eating it up like it was a fact, as if it was proven, as if slightly more reliable sites like CNN were reporting this. Some seemed legimetely surprised and said stuff like...''No....no Mike, WHY? No i am going to have to remove your avatar. No more Thriller dance in Destiny for me etc....'' So it sounds like they supported MJ, yet they are SO damn easily convinced that he did it all based on tabloid reports. It's scary and just terrible at the same time. If the edited photos actually have been straight from the sheriff's office, that would have been quite bad but we're actually dealing with a website that tampered with it. It sucks bigtime, because those people that all believed it had no idea that these were doctored photos.

But even then, even if the thread had still been open and had i posted the real photos that show it was nothing, they still would have some lame excuses, they always do.

Sadly this did reach the mainstream media....well just a little. I live in Holland and we have this stupid program called Boulevard here, the dutchies here will know it right away. When MJ was alive this guy from the show called Albert Verlinde loved to shit on MJ. But he has changed his tune, actually seemed to have some good arguments today about these 'new' documents. It seemed to me that he was really doubting this, which is interesting and the least thing i expected.

 

[prettyyoungthaang]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

No one can help what the past has done to Michael, however I've always met people with totally polarising opinions on him - I've met people claiming he is a 'dirty pedophile', and I've met people who are completely aware of what the media did to him - this gives me some hope that there is room for change. We can always keep fighting against these dirty lies that people tell, in hopes of even changing one person's perspective - that is what Michael would want. If heaven did exist and he could see that his fans are still dedicated to preserving his memory, absolved of any fabrications, he would be thankful.

 

[prettyyoungthaang]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It's also disgusting how they use Michael's eccentricities and appearance in favour of him being guilty. Like, do people seriously think that pedophiles can be pointed out in a crowd? I'm not sure what I think of this conclusion, but when Michael was psychologically profiled, it was said that:

During the investigation, Jackson's profile was examined by mental health professional Dr. Stan Katz; the doctor spent several hours with the accuser too. The assessment made by Katz was that Jackson had become a regressed 10-year-old and did not fit the profile of a pedophile.

I've seen people comment on this newly surfaced article, saying "Well what can you expect? He was always a creep." On what basis? It's all baseless conjecture, literally all of it, there is not ONE piece of evidence pointing toward his guilt yet so many people believe in it.

Watching interviews when Michael discusses the case, particularly the one with Lisa-Marie, you can see how oblivious he is to the public's perception of his relationship with children. He is one of few who can see absolutely nothing wrong or suspicious of his close companionship with children, because his mind and heart are purely innocent.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

No one can help what the past has done to Michael, however I've always met people with totally polarising opinions on him - I've met people claiming he is a 'dirty pedophile', and I've met people who are completely aware of what the media did to him - this gives me some hope that there is room for change. We can always keep fighting against these dirty lies that people tell, in hopes of even changing one person's perspective - that is what Michael would want. If heaven did exist and he could see that his fans are still dedicated to preserving his memory, absolved of any fabrications, he would be thankful.

Yeah that's true, but so many times it just get's so tiresome, so damn annoying and eventually makes me furious and frustrated, all this misinformation being spread, people with their ''where's smoke, there's fire...'' bullcrap.

As for the estate. You'd think they would sue Radar Online, do something..anything. There should be things that can be done. What this site did should be treated as a felony.

 

[GreenEyes]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Radar has just released a third article, three in one day! They have declared war on him. Something is motivating this... rehashing all this trial stuff. It absolutely has to be the legal team of Robson and Safechuck, along with Zonen, and they are using their buddy from Radar to bury Michael. And of course, when an anniversary date approaches. I've been mostly leading my busy life and not paying too much attention to any MJ news lately, as it's been quite peaceful. This is all beyond disturbing.

It's seems obvious they are wanting to force a settlement. What else could possibly be the motivation to bury a dead man like this, other than money?

 

[GreenEyes]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yeah that's true, but so many times it just get's so tiresome, so damn annoying and eventually makes me furious and frustrated, all this misinformation being spread, people with their ''where's smoke, there's fire...'' bullcrap.

As for the estate. You'd think they would sue Radar Online, do something..anything. There should be things that can be done. What this site did should be treated as a felony.

Don't hold your breath waiting for the estate to do anything. They are mostly out of the Michael Jackson business.

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It spreading to mainstream media . More than 80 articles so far and no word from the losers in control of his money.

 

[la_cienega]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yes. I have never seen animal torture in any of the books. I am sure they are twisting something.

It's ridiculous. Just the whole wording "manipulative, sex-crazed...", just a totally ugly character assassination. I am sure Robson and his lawyers are behind this. It also shows that their own case is weak, so they try to stir up some sort of prejudice against MJ.

Yes, it's 100% a smear campaign from the Robson camp because it's all they have.

It's just like all the Murray trial stuff.

This shows how empty and meaningless their stuff is.

The only animal torture stuff I can imagine MJ having was documentation relating to animal's in crisis that he was concerned about. Because he was concerned with animal rights and conservation efforts.

But I can't even see where this animal torture stuff is even coming from... besides headlines.

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Actually Sneddon claimed that Mj used to throw stones at lions in cages while laughing at their "pain". May Sneddon's soul roast in hell forever and all kinds of torture be practiced on him. Amen

 

[ILoveHIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Somebody should ask CNNs reporter, I dont know his name - Duke, I think, who debunked the BS about the 200 mil. and 20 victims.
Aks him if he can write about it.

Or, ask Aphrodite Jones for a comment or article.
Or whoever from the media who has a thing for the truth.

MJ Estate is starting pissing me off with this non-reacting pattern of pretending like nothing happens.

the fans are really not important, but there is the rest of the world, the readers of any kind of mags and webs, ONE BIG FAT LIE from ONE tabloid is spreading like cancer, and repeating monstrous BS, and nobody is standing by MJ?

Any rebbutal evidence is important, piece by piece by piece....

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Duke works for Radar now.

Makes you wonder how much invested the executors were in shopping the "reasonability" of their decisions to sell mj's most valued assets and how much their plants were active in this regard. But after amassing hundreds of millions of dollars by selling his cherished belongings, they have never successed or should I say never bothered to build a pro MJ journalist base. How poor they are if no single reputable journalist is willing to write a positive article on Mj! But there is no short of articles praising them . Priorities

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I feel we are alone in this battle! Michael doesn't deserve it, it's not fair! The Estate has the power and resources we don't have to act on his behalf and it's un-fuc.kingbelieable they prefer to be passive!

If us the fans can do something, anything, let me know please! Count me in!

 

[LindavG]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Michael's story is literaly a cautionary tale for why NOT to be nice, caring and good to people. They will turn around and stab you in the back eventually if that's what their interest and if they sense you are defenseless. Sociopaths are doing better in this world than good people.

The good news is maybe that I don't think his music will be affected by it. Not any more. I know someone said earlier this thread that on some forum people said they would never listen to his music any more, but I think few will actually stop listening to his music because of this. I have seen comments that said they believe this nonsense but his music is still good. And when I look at record sales, Sotify, YouTube I don't think the popularity of his music has ever been affected by any of the nonsense. It never was when Robson or Safechuck came out with their allegations, never was when the FBI files lie of the Mirror did the same rounds as this story now. It's been constantly going up, actually: https://www.youtube.com/yt/artists/insights-artist.html?artist=/m/09889g&name=Michael Jackson

Of course, MJ doesn't deserve this as a person either. I wish people weren't so gullible, so easily manipulated but they are unfortunately.

I don't even care about record sales at this point. People who buy his records but still think he's a pedophile can f*ck off for all I care. Maybe then the Estate can finally be bothered to write up a proper response.

 

[ILoveHIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

BTW, why fans dont react on the articles with all the info from this forum?

To me.... its really shocking how massive is that tabloid attack, and almost nobody, I mean, MJ fans are more than ofter pathetic in defending MJ.

Here on this forum there are MEGA informative comments, links, pics, and why we can not unite and fight for MJ?

I mean, I have to admit, I copy and paste some of your commnets on the discussions, I dont care about response, but there is the visible informative argument.

It seems like there are invisible fans for MJ.

 

[ILoveHIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Duke works for Radar now.

wat? great

and what about ask mr. Roger F.?

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

They will ask roger to write a pro estate article not pro Mj. Where do you live? 7 years living off his money yet not one single pro Mj journalist to turn to in times like these. Even Duke, who used to write positively on Mj when he was at cnn, did it because of his good relations with the Jackson brothers not the estate.

 

[LindavG]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It's also disgusting how they use Michael's eccentricities and appearance in favour of him being guilty. Like, do people seriously think that pedophiles can be pointed out in a crowd? I'm not sure what I think of this conclusion, but when Michael was psychologically profiled, it was said that:

During the investigation, Jackson's profile was examined by mental health professional Dr. Stan Katz; the doctor spent several hours with the accuser too. The assessment made by Katz was that Jackson had become a regressed 10-year-old and did not fit the profile of a pedophile.

Looks like that's the options we have now. Either he was a manipulative child molester or a regressed 10-year-old. But there was definitely something "wrong" with him. It couldn't be that there were more dimensions to his personality, that he could be childlike around children and a shrewd businessman and a creative genius and painfully shy off stage. I wonder if Mr. Katz listened to In The Closet before he determined that Michael had the mental state of a 10-year-old :smilerolleyes: