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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

We won't give up.
When there is any celebritie who deserves it that people fight, defend, protect, honar him and tell the truth about him it is Michael Jackson and nobody else.

Sadly it is the only celebretie who also needs this like nobody else because he was and is treated so mean and unfair from the public and the media (what for me has always to do with the fact that he is black) like no other in the last decades.
 
Carmour260;4242948 said:
I cannot believe what I’m reading right now. Sounds like you guys are giving up. If you really feel that way, then what the hell were you doing here in the first place. Someone to take pity on you?

I’m upset about this just as much as you, but it doesn’t mean I’m throwing in the towel. No way in hell that’s happening! You should know by now how the media is, I have since the late 90s. We got the truth on our side now, and we’re gonna keep pushing and pushing no matter how long it takes. This will not the end of Michael’s legacy, not by a long shot. Stop giving those articles any attention because that’s all they want: attention! The general public is not as stupid as you may think. Most of the time is like “Who cares!” I don’t give a damn about what the haters are saying, let them do it all they want. Only God got the final say!

Remember, Michael Jackson didn’t die for nothing. He may have a very complicated life, of course, but name one person who hasn’t had a complicated life? We got Michael’s music to fight with!

So, stop dwelling on the negative, stay focus on the positive. DO NOT BOW DOWN FOR ANYBODY!!!
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SO true !!
 
Carmour260;4242948 said:
I cannot believe what I’m reading right now. Sounds like you guys are giving up. If you really feel that way, then what the hell were you doing here in the first place. Someone to take pity on you?

I’m upset about this just as much as you, but it doesn’t mean I’m throwing in the towel. No way in hell that’s happening! You should know by now how the media is, I have since the late 90s. We got the truth on our side now, and we’re gonna keep pushing and pushing no matter how long it takes. This will not the end of Michael’s legacy, not by a long shot. Stop giving those articles any attention because that’s all they want: attention! The general public is not as stupid as you may think. Most of the time is like “Who cares!” I don’t give a damn about what the haters are saying, let them do it all they want. Only God got the final say!

Remember, Michael Jackson didn’t die for nothing. He may have a very complicated life, of course, but name one person who hasn’t had a complicated life? We got Michael’s music to fight with!

So, stop dwelling on the negative, stay focus on the positive. DO NOT BOW DOWN FOR ANYBODY!!!
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Well said! I can definitely understand sometimes thinking "maybe I should give up, I'll just keep being a fan and supporter and if people don't want to believe then f em." and honestly, depending on the outcome of all this I may just quit trying to let people see Michael's side of the story, but for now I will continue. And as you said, nobody should spend any time bothering with articles from the media, ignore them, stay on MJJC, only go to FB to comment with facts, stay away from news sites etc.
 
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Silverstone said:
Headline in today's Mirror saying MJ is a perv like Saville.

Boils my blood crap like that.Theres no way they should be allowed to print such lies.
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There is a big difference between Saville, Cosby and Jackson. Something the media and other people are too stupid to point out. Michael had allegations in 93 and 2005, he was investigated by various authorities and went through a trial. None of that happened with Cosby or Saville. Once the allegations about those two came out you could got all these people coming out of the woodwork. They never had a chance before.

With Michael no one came out in 93 or 2005 other than the initial accusers. There was a district attorney who went to great lengths to find other 'victims', he couldn't. I don't believe in 2005 that neither Robson nor Safechuck knew that what they claimed happened to them now was abuse. They were in their 20s not some 10 year olds. Their stories have so many holes. They keep saying it's not for money but none of the articles mention that they tried to sue the estate. If that's not for money what is it then.

Unfortunately the media don't care and never have. We just have to keep fighting.
 
Carmour260;4242948 said:
I cannot believe what I’m reading right now. Sounds like you guys are giving up. If you really feel that way, then what the hell were you doing here in the first place. Someone to take pity on you?

I’m upset about this just as much as you, but it doesn’t mean I’m throwing in the towel. No way in hell that’s happening! You should know by now how the media is, I have since the late 90s. We got the truth on our side now, and we’re gonna keep pushing and pushing no matter how long it takes. This will not the end of Michael’s legacy, not by a long shot. Stop giving those articles any attention because that’s all they want: attention! The general public is not as stupid as you may think. Most of the time is like “Who cares!” I don’t give a damn about what the haters are saying, let them do it all they want. Only God got the final say!

Remember, Michael Jackson didn’t die for nothing. He may have a very complicated life, of course, but name one person who hasn’t had a complicated life? We got Michael’s music to fight with!

So, stop dwelling on the negative, stay focus on the positive. DO NOT BOW DOWN FOR ANYBODY!!!
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The Estate and MJ Family MUST react to the allegations.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier;4242959 said:
Well said! I can definitely understand sometimes thinking "maybe I should give up, I'll just keep being a fan and supporter and if people don't want to believe then f em." and honestly, depending on the outcome of all this I may just quit trying to let people see Michael's side of the story, but for now I will continue. And as you said, nobody should spend any time bothering with articles from the media, ignore them, stay on MJJC, only go to FB to comment with facts, stay away from news sites etc.
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Exactly! Especially here in America, while media coverage is focusing on Jussie Smollett, R. Kelly, Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey and others, they all have one thing in common: they’re not Michael Jackson. Even though they haven’t had their day in court yet, the media is way out of control. Thanks to social media, we know now what was really going on behind the scenes. If we mute certain people, then we might as well mute the whole entertainment thing period. No music, no movies, no TV shows... Life would be boring as hell, would it?

I haven’t clicked on a single article. I was expecting something like this could happen. No matter what, it will occur again and again. Michael’s an easy target, he may be gone, but we’re not! It’s not about how you fall down, it’s how you get back up. Like that gospel song said, “We fall down, but we get up.”

I’ll repeat myself, Michael Jackson had a very complicated life, but his legacy is not going anywhere anytime soon. No mockumentary, tabloids, trolls, nothing will slow us down!

Going to listen to the entire “HIStory” album...
 
1nn5;4242961 said:
The Estate and MJ Family MUST react to the allegations.
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They have. It’s the best they can do. When a person is gone, there’s no law to prevent defamation of character. It’s not fair, but that’s America. I’m pretty sure the Estate is working behind the scenes, hence the lawsuit against HBO. I know to you it may not be enough, but it is for right now. In the meantime, keep the faith, continue living your life, and keep moonwalking!
 
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Which brings me to this. Before LN airs on TV I want to post a list, brief but strong and to the point with bullet points about the facts. LN is about W&S and the bullet points should be about how it all started up till now. I don't want to let my FB friends know that LN is happening (if they don't already know) but in the case that they do intend to watch it, it's good they know the facts. I was thinking of...

* Both accusers have defended MJ. Safechuck in the 90s, Robson during the 2005 trial during a extensive cross examination. He denied any kind of wrongdoing and knew damn well what the sexual questions meant.

* Robson practically begged MJ's family to be at his memorial.

* Robson has a chapter in the MJ opus book called "my mentor." (he talks about MJ being a amazing human being. But what was his EXACT wording again? Purest of humanity or something, please help me with that.

* Robson has done tribute shows, always praised MJ in interviews long after his passing.

* Wanted to have a certain role in Circque du Soleil but was denied the role.

* Robson starts going after publishers to have a book published about how according to him MJ had abused him. No publishers were interested.

* Sues the estate (what was the sum again?) and the exact reason was? It was here that he claimed he had no idea initially that it was abuse, right?

* Judge throws case out (because he was too late with it, right? And he had to admit he was lying here, didn't he?

* With all of that failed and not much of a career left he comes with LN.

What else could I add here? I needs some Safechuck stuff too.
 
Carmour260;4242964 said:
They have. It’s the best they can do. When a person is gone, there’s no law to prevent defamation of character. It’s not fair, but that’s America. I’m pretty sure the Estate is working behind the scenes, hence the lawsuit against HBO. I know to you it may not be enough, but it is for right now. In the meantime, keep the faith, continue living your life, and keep moonwalking!
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Prince is in silence, Paris too.
If the Estate is working in scenes, the Family should work in scenes.
 
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Do you really believe the current situation is the best the estate can do? At a very basic level they should:

1. hire a lawyer specifically to speak on any tv or radio station that is running an Mj segment that will have them on. TMez did an amazing job yesterday. We need to hear more from sensible sane people to counter all this.

2. Do something with the MJ Facebook page. It has 72+ million subscribers who are being left to soak up channel 4/HBOs adverts. (It is such a minute proportion of fans that actually come on these boards)

Come on Estate.
 
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summer said:
Do you mean when he explained that at Sundance during the Q&A? I have that.
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I don't think (or know if) it was at Sundance, not the footage on stage.. There was a 5 minute interview with him sitting in a chair basically giving a manifesto of how he built the documentary to pull peoples emotions in and make it believable.. People (including myself) was stating who puts that much thought into HOW to make a "STORY" "BELIEVABLE"?... Liars!
 
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1nn5 said:
Prince is in silence, Paris too.
If the Estate is working in scenes, the Family should work in scenes.
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Unfortunately anything they say won't be believed as they are defending their dad.

As for the Estate there are no defamation laws once a person is dead. Their hands are tied to some extent. Problem is all this controversy helps LN. Again none of my friends have mentioned this mockumentary and I'm not going to give it any advertisement either.

There are people out there shouting MJs innocence. The newspapers are just not interested in picking it up. However there is a big difference, we have social media so we continue voicing the facts. It's difficult to stop a mob when they get their teeth into something.

We continue to play his music.
 
volitional;4242969 said:
Unfortunately anything they say won't be believed as they are defending their dad.

As for the Estate there are no defamation laws once a person is dead. Their hands are tied to some extent. Problem is all this controversy helps LN. Again none of my friends have mentioned this mockumentary and I'm not going to give it any advertisement either.

There are people out there shouting MJs innocence. The newspapers are just not interested in picking it up. However there is a big difference, we have social media so we continue voicing the facts. It's difficult to stop a mob when they get their teeth into something.

We continue to play his music.
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On point! I made some mention to my Mom and she said “that’s done and over with.” That was my point as well. Been there, done that, moving on.
Our focus is how are we getting through 2020 coming up, getting over the Jussie Smollett affair, Weinstein affair, issues with immigration, racism, homophobia, sexism, our own biases.

Listening to “Heal The World...”
 
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Only in 2019, could the world convict a man (who has been deceased 10 years) using testimony of two known perjurers, without a shed of evidence that is not testimonial.

Beggars belief how we can live in such an understanding, supportive, socially conscious era (metoo and so on) and yet to label Michael Jackson a paedophile without any evidence. A contradiction is an understatement.
 
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L.T.D said:
I'm more determined than ever, when I became a fan in 2003 I signed up to defend this man for the rest of my life even though I shouldn't need to. Bring it on! With social media we can be heard more than ever before! In the 90's and 2000's you would see a news article and there was no platform to have your own say against it, now there is. Unfortunately it also gives more of a voice than the other side as well, but they always had a platform....we haven't always had that.
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Well said
 
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volitional said:
There are people out there shouting MJs innocence. The newspapers are just not interested in picking it up. However there is a big difference, we have social media so we continue voicing the facts. It's difficult to stop a mob when they get their teeth into something.

We continue to play his music.
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Patience, HBO will air LN and will see the result.
 
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does anyone have a good recolection on
Johnathan Spence and how there was a supposed nude photo of him that the prosecution wanted to bring in but Michael defense prevented that from entering court?​
 
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Some of you are really letting this pedophilia promoter Dan Reed mess with your minds. You could not have survived when Michael Jackson was o trail in 2005. No one can keep you, personally, from the magic of Michael Jackson's music.
Anyone who stops listening to the music of Michael Jackson, well, that's his or her lost not yours.
 
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KOPV said:
does anyone have a good recolection on
Johnathan Spence and how there was a supposed nude photo of him that the prosecution wanted to bring in but Michael defense prevented that from entering court?​
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Err no. No nothing at all at all sounds like made up hater B.S like the child porn.infact that would be child porn. Sneddon went after spence to try to get him to turn but. They told him to get lost. Complained of harrasment. Spence got married at nev
 
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Jimmy and Wade are both mad at the Estate of Michael Jackson. "Bad 25" did not include Jimmy Safechuck, because 25 years earlier, Michael Jackson and Jimmy Safechuck worked together through PepsiCo and the Bad tour. It was why you saw Jimmy Safechuck dressed similar to Michael and Michael promoting Pepsi, his Bad tour and children's charities. Wade was ignored by the Michael Jackson Estate for the Michael Jackson Show in Las Vegas. Both of these fellows are simultaneously having temper tantrums and using a director behind the doco "The Pedophilia Hunters."

Bad tour was the first concert tour by Michael Jackson, launched in support of his studio album "Bad" (1987). Sponsored by Pepsi and spanning 16 months, the tour included 123 concerts to 4.4 million fans across 15 countries. King of pop began his tour on September 12, 1987, in Tokyo, Japan. He finished it on January 27, 1989 in Los Angeles, USA. https://www.arcgis.com/home/item.html?id=1bd4907941824d09bad42ea667cbfad3
 
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Worth remembering that many of these journalists tweeting this over hyped stuff about MJ being cancelled etc often work at (or are connected to) Channel 4 or HBO themselves and so they see it as their job to whip of controversy for this doc. Plus they know a comment about Mj is bound to get them loads of twitter engagement. It all plays into their hands.
 
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AliCat said:
Jimmy and Wade are both mad at the Estate of Michael Jackson. "Bad 25" did not include Jimmy Safechuck, because 25 years earlier, Michael Jackson and Jimmy Safechuck worked together through PepsiCo and the Bad tour. It was why you saw Jimmy Safechuck dressed similar to Michael and Michael promoting Pepsi, his Bad tour and children's charities. Wade was ignored by the Michael Jackson Estate for the Michael Jackson Show in Las Vegas. Both of these fellows are simultaneously having temper tantrums and using a director behind the doco "The Pedophilia Hunters."

Bad tour was the first concert tour by Michael Jackson, launched in support of his studio album "Bad" (1987). Sponsored by Pepsi and spanning 16 months, the tour included 123 concerts to 4.4 million fans across 15 countries. King of pop began his tour on September 12, 1987, in Tokyo, Japan. He finished it on January 27, 1989 in Los Angeles, USA. https://www.arcgis.com/home/item.html?id=1bd4907941824d09bad42ea667cbfad3
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The first part about Safechuck being annoyed about Bad 25 is nonsense! I hope this isnt something people are saying

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How long did now this Adrian Mc Manus work for Michael?
Sometimes I hear 4 years and somtimes I hear from 1993 til 1994?

How long and in which years did the staff member Melanie work for MJ?

I find it intresting that both didn't back up the claims of Wade and James in the new interviews.
And didn't mention spacific children.
Only Mc Manus mentioned Mc and Jordan.
She knew that Jordan will not come out and will denys what ever she said.
 
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Posting evidence that disprove the claims in this mockumentary are obviously the priority, however we should also compile a list of questions that journalists should be asking Dan Reed (if they were doing their job properly).

For what it's worth, here is my opening question: if you had found evidence of MJ's innocence while you were making this film, would it have influenced the outcome?
 
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I think she said in the 60 minute interview she worked there for 3 years.. if I remember correctly
 
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Adrian Mc Manus tells different storys about MJ and children in her interviews in the last weeks and tried to make everthing look bad what is possible.
In this interview two weeks ago she claims that MJ had sex tapes in neverland. Interesting that the police in 1993 who according to MJ in 1995 "went to all his books and all his videtapes" found nothing.
The video is on a MJ supporter channel:

https://youtu.be/U8cicEXnZxY

Here you can hear the journalists first saying that she worked for MJ for four years but then the other journalist says she start working in 1993 when we know she stoped working in 1994 when she was fired.

Again the journalist didn't inform the people about the backround from the maid and make her look credible.

Sidenote: All the underwear ( when it is true) she found can also belong to woman or girls! Why must it belong to boys?!
It whould be very nomal behavior when the kids in a big group whould change their clothes in MJs bathroom or huuuuuge bedroom togeter and trowing the things around. Its possible that a underwear landing then on MJs bed or the they laying their clothes there without thinking.
The rest is in her dark mind.
But when MJ whould have done something sexual to the children it whould be a normal behavior when he whould hide everthing and the maid whould not find underwear or childclothes anywhere.
(But he was careless because he has nothing to hide.)
This far away from the careful predetor that wade and James describes.
It makes no sense.
 
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