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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

dam2040 said:
The worst thing is when you tell people this is a conspiracy with many of the higher ups working together - Oprah, Geffen, Weinstein, HBO, Channel 4 etc etc you sound delusional and a crazy fan.
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The problem with those people is that they are not awaken, they don't research in general, they don't question anything, they don't have any critical thinking.
I am not surprised since critical thinking, on purpose, is not being taught anymore in schools in the first place.
 
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I think Oprah has always been very envious of Michael, hence stabbing him in the back every chance she got. And, of course, she is in on this because she has her back covered by mightier men.

Anyway, if I were with the Estate, I would have a private detective investigate everything. I really hope they have thought of that.
 
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How ling until the Jacksons interview?
 
I’ve just seen a couple of clips of the Jackson Bro’s on CBS (admittedly not the whole thing)

They were repeatedly asked “how can you say he’s innocent when you haven’t seen the film”. Hearing them respond by saying “I know my brother and he’s not guilty so I don’t need to watch the film” sounds so weak to me. I don’t blame them for saying these type of things but this is exactly why we need a lawyer or spokesperson on this that can tackle this unemotionally. Surely a better response from the Jacksons would have been to say something along the lines of “we haven’t seen the film because Reed never approached us. He wanted to ambush us with this” and point out that a one sided documentary doesn’t mean we can all play judge and jury on this. That takes us back to the dark ages. The documentary fails to mention even basic things like the fact there is the an ongoing multi million civil lawsuit and therefore motivation for these two individuals to lie etc etc. How can anyone be convicted on the basis of the prosecution evidence alone? (Maybe they did say this eventually - I haven’t seen it all).

If I was a casual observer, I’d find the Jacksons comments very unconvincing and irrelevant. I hate to criticise because I know I’d perform terribly if put on the spot like this. Estate please hire a professional after this programme airs.
 
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I don't know, but all of them come across as too soft or kind of "naive" to me.
La Toya expecially, is a airhead completely.
 
Most of the Jackson siblings aren’t the sharpest tools in the draw (neither am I btw!). Can we get someone who knows the facts and can dissect this properly infront of the cameras pronto please
 
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So Dan Reed finds it cruel for Safechuck that MJ supposedly had sex with another kid after Safechuck's first sexual experience. He doesn't think it's cruel that safechuck got raped , no it's cruel for Safechuck that MJ cheated on him. The rape in itself isn't so bad, it's the cheating!

Reed makes things up in the spot that's why he doesn't make sense. Just like he did when he said there was a recording of a sex tape. Oh but it was destroyed, but it was made once! I can assure you!

Another one of his classic arguments is that he says we weren't there when MJ raped kids in hotel rooms. So does that mean he himself was present on those occasions? So he is a complicit then because he implies he was there ? :devil:
 
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I feel like Michael's family is in a lose lose situation with all of this. If they try to defend him people will just say that they're only defending him because he's family, but if they say nothing then people will say that he must be guilty because his family has said nothing.
 
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And if they do say something fans pick on them for not saying the right things. They might not be the best at speaking but at least they are defending him!
 
nextbigthing56;4243384 said:
https://youtu.be/6etUsI4zNNU

Short clip of The Jackson’s on CBS. Tajj is very well spoken and I think handled that question quite well.
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I've seen on clips before that Jermaine, Tito and even Marlon are not good speakers. They should do MJ a favor and keep their mouth shut. How can they be so nervous, they've done millions of interviews... Unfortunately nothing substantial was said.
 
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I wish we could get people who are non family members of Michael to defend him on talk shows, because then people can't use the excuse of ''They're his family, so they're obviously bias''
 
aqwsz;4243392 said:
I've seen on clips before that Jermaine, Tito and even Marlon are not good speakers. They should do MJ a favor and keep their mouth shut. How can they be so nervous, they've done millions of interviews... Unfortunately nothing substantial was said.
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Yeah, they shouldn’t defend their brother at all. For ****s sake at least they’re trying.
 
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Someone should expose Reed, Robson, Safechuck et al as the clowns they are. I know the allegations are causing pain and distress to his family and his supporters and admirers. I truly believe that Michael is safe and so is his legacy, BECAUSE we have FACTS on OUR SIDE.

It is time we laughed at those liars. That is all they are. I cannot take this seriously anymore. And I will not shed a tear anymore. The facts are out there. The facts are in legal documents. The facts have been shared. The facts are available. Don't worry about the facts. They expose the allegations against Michael Jackson to be absurd, bizarre, fantastical, unrealistic, malicious, born out of greed.

The fans should not be on the defensive! The allegations are a joke and Michael is now untouchable wherever he is. That is why I am not worrying about him. His artistic legacy is safe because it is full of beauty, truth, humanity, kindness, authenticity and love. He poured his very essence and sould into his art and it is there that we will forever find who Michael Jackson was and will always be.

Yes, there should FINALLY be a professionally made documentary about the abuse Michael Jackson received and the victimization of him at the hands of law enforcement, media, individuals etc.

But there should also be a comedy special making fun of the accusers and their enablers, e.g. the MEDIA. Instead of collectively tearing our hair out at the absurdity and injustice of it all, let's start laughing. Let's start laughing at the clowns collectively. :lmao:
 
I can see the Jackson bros are trying. And they are trying their best. However, saying “I know my brother and I know he wouldn’t do this” will gain no traction with the general public. This is not the brothers’ fault. They are not trained lawyers and have no PR experience. We need an official spokesperson on this that knows the facts. The general public should be told more about the facts of the civil lawsuit etc.
 
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Taj did amazingly well in that clip.
 
nextbigthing56;4243394 said:
Yeah, they shouldn’t defend their brother at all. For ****s sake at least they’re trying.
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Repeating he was acquitted, that's it's all for money and to let him rest is hardly trying. There are more substantial things to be said on this forum on each page, it only takes a few clicks.

Trying is not good enough, it never was.
 
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We need more people like Charlemagne and I also believe DJ Envy is in his right mind when it comes to what he thinks of all this. Why have it only been these two radio (that I can think of) guys that see it for what it is and spoken out against it?

Also for this special screening by Oprah, she will have both W&S there and some kind of expert apparently? Let me guess, this expert will say what we see in LN goes in line on what he knows about actual behavior by victims? I bet it's something like that.
 
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aqwsz said:
Repeating he was acquitted, that's it's all for money and to let him rest is hardly trying. There are more substantial things to be said on this forum on each page, it only takes a few clicks.

Trying is not good enough, it never was.
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It's definitely not good enough no, especially when we, the fans could come up with a shit load of fans within the time that the brothers say that he was found not guilty, let him rest, we know our brother etc. To me it seems that they haven't done any real research into the matter.

Even if they haven't seen LN yet, it really doesn't matter because you can STILL discredit W&S, especially Wade for all the past lies and many inconsistencies. And it wouldn't even take that long either. They definitely need a well spoken person for this, who can counter all the questions with the cold hard facts. So when the interviewer asks "but what about that maid.." that this spokesperson can fully counter that with everything that is out there, in other words facts!
 
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Well done Taj for stating the truth. Of course it sounds out of the ordinary and MJs naivety was absolutely his downfall. He did brilliantly on The Australian clip a few weeks ago too. He knows his stuff.
 
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dam2040 said:
Well done Taj for stating the truth. Of course it sounds out of the ordinary and MJs naivety was absolutely his downfall. He did brilliantly on The Australian clip a few weeks ago too. He knows his stuff.
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He was at that Australian show too? I thought it was only Michael's brothers. Have a link to that?
 
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Oprah and her lapdog, Gayle King are the two biggest a**holes on the planet.
 
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CherubimII said:
Oprah and her lapdog, Gayle King are the two biggest a**holes on the planet.
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I can think of 2 bigger assholes

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What I found really tragic from the Brandi Jackson interview was that she didn't distroy Wades Lie "Everytime we where together it happen, there where no night that went by ... where he did not sexual aboused me." Cause in wades testimony in 2005 it turned out that brandi spend a night or maybe more with Wade and MJ in the same room.

Whhhhhy didn't she mentioned this in the interview!!! ?

I hope oprah get simular crazy respectless embaressed questions in her mind for Wade that she ask MJ in 1993 like the virgin thing.
 
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CherubimII;4243407 said:
Oprah and her lapdog, Gayle King are the two biggest a**holes on the planet.
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Do you think she actually beleives Wade and James or she is paid to do it? She was a victim her self wasn’t she and that can make it difficult to stay neutral ? I sent her a 3 hour pod and also the video with Brandi. It probably will make no diffrence since info has been sent to her before but did it anyway.
 
La74;4243414 said:
Do you think she actually beleives Wade and James or she is paid to do it? She was a victim her self wasn’t she and that can make it difficult to stay neutral ? I sent her a 3 hour pod and also the video with Brandi. It probably will make no diffrence since info has been sent to her before but did it anyway.
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It semes that she belives Wade because she invites surviors of childabuse in the show.
That makes only sense when she belive before the show that wade is a survivor.
It semes that she want to make a celebration show for Wade in the MeToo era.
 
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Can I just ask why the CBS interviewer continually used the fact the Jacksons haven’t seen the doc against them? Her tone was very accusatory.

The framing of the question is bizarre when:

1. the Jacksons seemingly haven’t even been given the opportunity to watch the film when hundreds of reporters have. This is clearly a deliberate ploy by Reed to put them on the back foot. That in of itself is dispicable behaviour. Let’s assume Wade and James ARE real victims and the documentary did contain air-tight proof of guilt. Wouldn’t you as the creator of the doc, want to deal with the family of the deceased accused sensitively and allow them time to process all this? Even if they decline to watch it , at least offer them the opportunity.

2. The presenter on CBS is talking with the assumption that you can convict someone of a crime having only watched a 4 hour documentary. Instead of the family being bombarded with “how can you say MJs not guilty when you haven’t watched the documentary”, Reed (or indeed any viewer of this documentary) should instead be being asked if he or she has read the civil court transcripts in their entirety. Why is the documentary relevant but court documents not?
 
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