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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
Hm..... is this sure?
Cause I know from the Giraldo River Interview that MJ didn't like to wear rings and I can't remember one single picture of MJ wearing a ring.

Was he wearing the marrige rings during the marrige with Lisa and Debbie?

Did they really find no ring in Neverland in 1993 and 2003?
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At least after marrying Rowe, I'm sure MJ wore a weddingring, you can see it in the HIStory World Tour (from Australia and onwards). It's a simple gold one. But it's true, didn't really like jewlery, sais so in Moonwalk as well. I could see however that the, you know, common, familylife-lifestyle of wearing a weddingring when being in a marriage, would appeal to MJ.
 
Oh wow, this is amazing. I've been banned from the place until March 19. All I did was give facts. The Thomson article and the Razorfist video. I didn't call anyone names, I didn't start any fights, I merely asked people to do some fact checking. This is the ban message


You have been banned for the following reason: User Banned (Duration Pending): Inflammatory dismissal of sexual abuse allegations;
 
ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
Did someone noticed that Wade in his newest version in of his changing story in the oprah interview said that the abuse of Michael starts when he was 11?

https://mobile.twitter.com/LunaJo67

Is it right that he said that in the oprah interview?
Is this a new red flag?

In LN he still says 7.
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Sorry, but no, Robson said it like when counting different ages ie 7 when we met, 11, (understood by context when I made the deposition) and 22 when I witnessed. We can't go taking stuff out of context, then we just seem crazy.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Oh wow, this is amazing. I've been banned from the place until March 19. All I did was give facts. The Thomson article and the Razorfist video. I didn't call anyone names, I didn't start any fights, I merely asked people to do some fact checking. This is the ban message


You have been banned for the following reason: User Banned (Duration Pending): Inflammatory dismissal of sexual abuse allegations;
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Join the club.I was banned from Bluray.com for defending MJ.
The worst bit of verbal abuse I am guilty of is calling someone a sheep.

The mind boggles......I thought the media had an agenda but when it gets to this stage......what the hell is going on?
 
Inflammatory dismissal of sexual abuse allegations;


Really? How do they know if allegations are true or not if someone talks about allegations? Sound like a BullS#$% site.
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Michael Skywalker said:
Sorry, but no, Robson said it like when counting different ages ie 7 when we met, 11, (understood by context when I made the deposition) and 22 when I witnessed. We can't go taking stuff out of context, then we just seem crazy.
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I didn't reported it as a fact. I only saw the twitter post and ask if it is true that Wade said this in the Oprah interview.
 
MJInnocent said:
Join the club.I was banned from Bluray.com for defending MJ.
The worst bit of verbal abuse I am guilty of is calling someone a sheep.

The mind boggles......I thought the media had an agenda but when it gets to this stage......what the hell is going on?
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Good lord, right? And I didn't even call people sheep, because I know how insane sensative the mods there are. I just said it would be nice if people did some fact checking because these guys are anything but trustworthy.

I guess that was it, me calling them untrustworthy, because IT'S THE ****ING METOO ERA, WE ALWAYS SIDE WITH THE ACCUSER. Yugh!!!

Oh, but trashing MJ in there... that's all fine!
 
Michael Skywalker said:
Sorry, but no, Robson said it like when counting different ages ie 7 when we met, 11, (understood by context when I made the deposition) and 22 when I witnessed. We can't go taking stuff out of context, then we just seem crazy.
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It's very difficult to keep up with what's happening,this thread moves quicker than WR to his lawyer.
Then you have FB,Twiiter,TV and everywhere else.

It's easy to get lost in what is fact and what's not,point in case,I read numerous times they are suing the Estate for 1.5 Billion,I have since been told thats not true.

I know there is a thread here for lies regarding LN,which I thought was a good idea.... it hardly has a post in it.

Are we all just getting caught up in this and running about like headless chickens saying all sorts?
 
terrell said:
Inflammatory dismissal of sexual abuse allegations;


Really? How do they know if allegations are true or not if someone talks about allegations? Sound like a BullS#$% site.
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The only good things that forum has going for it are..


Scoops. Things leak there, interesting things. Developers also go there and talk. And some people are cool to discuss audio and video stuff with. The mods? Are total trash.

And yeah like you said, it's anything but a reason to ban someone. Especially when I posted stuff that isn't bullshit or just hating on these accusers for the heck of it. It's unbelievable.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Good lord, right? And I didn't even call people sheep, because I know how insane sensative the mods there are. I just said it would be nice if people did some fact checking because these guys are anything but trustworthy.

I guess that was it, me calling them untrustworthy, because IT'S THE ****ING METOO ERA, WE ALWAYS SIDE WITH THE ACCUSER. Yugh!!!

Oh, but trashing MJ in there... that's all fine!
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Makes ya wonder.My sheep comment was just because many were following what the media were telling them,like they couldn't make their own mind up.

It's hardly something that deserves a ban.....the reason I was given was "just because others are doing it,doesn't make it right for you"

But I was the only one banned,so they can say what they think of LN and MJ,but when I come back with facts and call someone a sheep,I am banned.
 
MJInnocent;4248912 said:
The Mirror(ohh I know)have released a video of MJ supposedly buying rings in a jewellery shop in 1989.
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Honestly I was waiting for that video to come out or for it to be used in the movie.
I know it feels like we’re taking a step back but there are still enough evidence to prove his truth.

Also from an article and from people who have seen the movie (because I refuse to), the dates may not match and he probably didn’t even buy jewelry.

For some reason Johnny Depp being vindicated is making me feel a little better for Michael in hopes that the truth will be out.
 
MJInnocent said:
Makes ya wonder.My sheep comment was just because many were following what the media were telling them,like they couldn't make their own mind up.

It's hardly something that deserves a ban.....the reason I was given was "just because others are doing it,doesn't make it right for you"

But I was the only one banned,so they can say what they think of LN and MJ,but when I come back with facts and call someone a sheep,I am banned.
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Yeah it's unbelievable really and it's really the times we are living in now. In my opinion MeToo mutes freedom of speech right now, certainly on that forum and the forum you were on. You truly just have to side immediately with the accuser, they didn't learn a thing from Jussie Smollett. It's a sickness to be honest.

I will never ever ever side with any accuser. I side with research and then we'll see.
 
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Two of the comments there. You can't make this up!!!

Plenty of proof that he groomed, isolated, and abused kids. On some level the question of trying to figure out whether or not the abuse he performed included sexual abuse reeks less of being interested in trying to establish justice and more in trying to exonerate a long-loved public figure. This is not a matter of "presumption of innocence" because we know he isn't innocent.

Someone said something sensible :

Due process and the presumption of innocence is something that we have gotten away from in the social media age.

I got no problem with the game or MJs music.

But the reply by someone wasn't....

due process died when people's court proved to be faster, meanier and always siding with with the victim.

as MJ is dead, he does not profit anymore of anything related to him so if I decided to keep playing the games it wont profit him so thats cool with me
 
There is a real misunderstanding of journalism.
I remember getting into arguments in 93 with all the horrid stories in the papers and people in work saying things like:
"They wouldn't write it if it wasn't true"
"Why would they say this if it was false?"
"They aren't all making it up"
 
MJInnocent said:
There is a real misunderstanding of journalism.
I remember getting into arguments in 93 with all the horrid stories in the papers and people in work saying things like:
"They wouldn't write it if it wasn't true"
"Why would they say this if it was false?"
"They aren't all making it up"
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Oh yes, that kinda crap. I hate it when people say that. I truly hoped after Jussie it would be different but nope, not one bit!

It just pains me to see how some people are so uninformed and say such things about the man, they seem so certain of it all. That's why that rebuttal needs to be very strong and needs to detail it all. It's gonna make these people look like total fools by that time.
 
I do not know if it's nonsense ?? !! What is Janet's story, like she has doubts about her brother???!!!
 
DarkMJ said:
I do not know if it's nonsense ?? !! What is Janet's story, like she has doubts about her brother???!!!
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I haven't heard this....where you getting that?
I think it was Taj that said something along the lines of she was staying quiet but helping in the background.

I still don't see why she couldn't come out in defence of Michael.
 
Plenty of proof that he groomed, isolated, and abused kids. On some level the question of trying to figure out whether or not the abuse he performed included sexual abuse reeks less of being interested in trying to establish justice and more in trying to exonerate a long-loved public figure. This is not a matter of "presumption of innocence" because we know he isn't innocent.


See how this fool sound. He knows based on what? There is no proof he groomed no one but there is plenty of proof these people are liars, changed their stories (real victims do not have to change stories); sells stories to tabloid and tell tabloids one thing but when justice come, they change stories, etc. This fool is the reason why some people sit behind bars for crimes they did not committ. He/she know nothing.
 
MJInnocent said:
I haven't heard this....where you getting that?
I think it was Taj that said something along the lines of she was staying quiet but helping in the background.

I still don't see why she couldn't come out in defence of Michael.
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It may give it more attention. I do not blame her. there is a moment she will I am sure.
 
ksat9;4249022 said:
Honestly I was waiting for that video to come out or for it to be used in the movie.
I know it feels like we’re taking a step back but there are still enough evidence to prove his truth.

Also from an article and from people who have seen the movie (because I refuse to), the dates may not match and he probably didn’t even buy jewelry.

For some reason Johnny Depp being vindicated is making me feel a little better for Michael in hopes that the truth will be out.
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Johnny Depp was trashed like a dog at one time.
 
terrell said:
It may give it more attention. I do not blame her. there is a moment she will I am sure.
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I'm not sure it can get anymore attention,this has been incessant from before it even aired.

Surely a famous sis coming out in defence can only be a positive.
Sometimes the Jackson's baffle me.
 
I read this in the French "scandal" press...I really hope it's wrong
 
terrell;4249041 said:
Johnny Depp was trashed like a dog at one time.
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I was one of the people who actually defended him because I looked at the facts before dogging him.
I was called all types of names for defending him especially after the picture and video clip came out.
Now people have egg on their face and want to apologize when all we were saying was to look at the facts before making your decision on him.
The same thing I asked for Johnny is all that I’m asking for with Michael.
Look and read the facts and verify before you put on your sjw cape.
I can’t wait until it all comes out and people have egg on their face again. They might try to ignore and hide it, but I know I won’t and will remind them of it.
The media has completely made an ass out of themselves and ruined any credibility I had of them after this stunt.
 
MJInnocent said:
I'm not sure it can get anymore attention,this has been incessant from before it even aired.

Surely a famous sis coming out in defence can only be a positive.
Sometimes the Jackson's baffle me.
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Again, it is time and moment for her.
 
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